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I dunno... this IS, after all, a football forum. If you're a fan of the game in general (in addition to being a Browns fan), this is a topic of discussion. If you're not interested in the topic, then don't read it. ::shrug::
This is your idea of pure football?
Smack Shack if you ask me.
Maybe it has some interest to fantasy fans I don't know.
If I want to discuss the Denver Bronco's I would/can go to a Denver message board.
My point and my opinion ::shrug::
Call it a challenge to come up with something with more substance 
I agree.....it is smack shack talk.
I don't understand the national media taking the shots at the kid they way they do.
For most of them, the only time they got on the football field was when they were playing trombone.
Give it a few more years and they will be playing a different tune.
Tebow played 4 games last year, and did a pretty good job.
Morph to Cleveland and people sing the praises for Colt, yet he isn't polished.
Tim's biggest problem is he lost a coach who wanted him and got one who passed him up in the draft....it will take a while to turn him around.....and Orton isn't a bad QB by any means.
Things work out as they should in most cases.
If Orton is better, he needs to play, but this isn't the end of Tebow.
Tebow will win a SB MVP, though I never said it would be in year 2.
Time is on my side here.
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Time is on my side here.
LMAO...U r persistent...
What's SB stand for???...Splinter Bench???...lol...
Tim Tebow...Future "Bench Splinters MVP"...Sounds right...
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The Broncos could be willing to part ways with Orton if the price is high enough. I'm guessing the Broncos wanted more in trade than teams were willing to offer, so they pulled him off the market and made him their starter (for now).
Elway and Fox have been around the NFL long enough to know that if a team loses it's QB due to injury, they might be willing to pay a much higher price for Orton in a "must have" situation.
If the price is right...Orton is gone....IMO.
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Tebow will win a SB MVP, though I never said it would be in year 2.
Time is on my side here.
LMAO...U r persistent...
What's SB stand for???...Splinter Bench???...lol...
Tim Tebow...Future "Bench Splinters MVP"...Sounds right...
Oh...I know the Supe Bowl stuff is just talk...a lot of luck involved in that....not only getting there but then having the type of game that gets you that.
My point is I feel he is going to be a good qb and just don't get all the bashing of the guy.....it's almost as if people go out of their way to do so.
It's like people have to come up with some reason because in the limited amount of playing time the guy has had in his career, his numbers don't warrant such talk.
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The Broncos could be willing to part ways with Orton if the price is high enough. I'm guessing the Broncos wanted more in trade than teams were willing to offer, so they pulled him off the market and made him their starter (for now).
Elway and Fox have been around the NFL long enough to know that if a team loses it's QB due to injury, they might be willing to pay a much higher price for Orton in a "must have" situation.
If the price is right...Orton is gone....IMO.
That may very well be the case...Even as a #2...Which is what Orton is and should be...Only reason he's even in Denver is because they didn't have squat and were in dire need...
But if Donkey Tooth wants a 1st or even 2nd rounder for Orton he's gonna be waiting a LONG ASS time...
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Serious question.
What makes Tebow better than Orton? Just because Orton isn't a Oooh rah kind of guy doesn't mean he is not a good leader.
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Hype.
Orton, IMO, is a good QB but he's just a "game manager" type. He isn't going to be spectacular or carry a team on his back, but he won't make a ton of poor decisions and has just enough arm, accuracy and smarts to do well when there is talent around him
Tebow has that hype surrounding him. Nothing against Tebow, he's a great guy, but I think he needs more developing before he can back up that hype. Otherwise he'll falter and people will say he sucks
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What makes Tebow better than Orton? Just because Orton isn't a Oooh rah kind of guy doesn't mean he is not a good leader.
at this moment in time, I don't think that Tebow is better than Orton. But Tebows upside is higher than Orton.. At least that's my view..
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Is it true Tebow just got moved down to 3rd string?
Apparantly Quinn has been outplaying him in camp over the last few weeks. He's doing pretty well tonight.
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Is it true Tebow just got moved down to 3rd string?
Apparantly Quinn has been outplaying him in camp over the last few weeks. He's doing pretty well tonight.
According to the Broncos site, Tebow is still listed as #2 on thier depth chart
http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/depth-chart.html
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Is it true Tebow just got moved down to 3rd string?
Apparantly Quinn has been outplaying him in camp over the last few weeks. He's doing pretty well tonight.
According to the Broncos site, Tebow is still listed as #2 on thier depth chart
http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/depth-chart.html
Well he was the 3 last night...And played like it...
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I learned a long time ago it's not about how things start, it's about how they finish.
When the Tebow saga is done, then we can talk about how it finished.
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When the Tebow saga is done, then we can talk about how it finished.
you won't have to wait too much longer..
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Quinn looked better last night than I've ever seen him. He was actually hitting people almost in stride.
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I'm not a big Tebow fan but I don't look at yesterday's game as him being demoted. Rather that they wanted to get a look at Quinn play with better talent than the 3's. Just because Quinn was the second QB yesterday doesn't automatically move him up the depth chart.
Sure Tebow played like a 3rd string QB. He had defenders on him practically before he got the snap. With that and the 3rd string talent, dude never had a chance. He played much better last week with the better talent like Quinn got this week.
Too much is being made of the preseason not only on our team but league wide.
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Quinn looked better last night than I've ever seen him. He was actually hitting people almost in stride.
I bought the preseason live package from nfl.com so I can watch the Browns games. I didn't know it was an on demand setup where I could go back and watch any game even after the fact. That's really cool. Once I figured that out I went and watched all of Quinn's drives - more out of curiosity than anything else.
I thought he was pretty solid. He certainly looked better than pretty much any time as a starter here with maybe the exception of his first start. He certainly looks more comfortable in the pocket. Made some nice throws. He also made some head scratchers and I would say he had a few - 4 to 5 - that could have been picked. The td throw was nice.
I wonder about him. I wonder if - as some suggested - he might make a run ala Gannon toward the latter stages of his career. I wonder what impact the coaching here had on his development, if any. I'm just starting to get the sense from the last regime that the guys weren't "coached up" so much as "coached at" ... did we see development from any players at all under the last regime? We know guys got "opportunities", but how many players were actually developed? This isn't a slam at Mangini, but moreso an observation in the context of Quinn.
Of course, Quinn could just not be very good. He was playing against backups. But he certainly looked more comfortable.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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some good solid points and questions Rish.. 
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Quinn looked good against backups in pre-season here as well. Remember his rookie year, his 1st start against the Lions .... when he looked like a future Peyton Manning? He threw 2 TDs ...... hit receivers in stride ...... appeared accurate ...... Then he had to face players further up the depth chart and he flopped like a trout dropped out of an airplane into a desert. 
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Remember his rookie year, his 1st start against the Lions .... when he looked like a future Peyton Manning? He threw 2 TDs ...... hit receivers in stride ...... appeared accurate
That was not his 1st start or rookie year, that was in 2009.
His first start was the infamous " Go root for Buffalo " Monday night game.
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I'm sorry. I meant to type "His first appearance" in that pre-season. Mibad.
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Remember his rookie year, his 1st start against the Lions .... when he looked like a future Peyton Manning? He threw 2 TDs ...... hit receivers in stride ...... appeared accurate
That was not his 1st start or rookie year, that was in 2009.
His first start was the infamous " Go root for Buffalo " Monday night game.
I thought it was the Thursday Nighter against Denver?
AND I thought the "Go Root for Buffalo" game was PuntFest 2009?
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His first start was a Thursday Night game vs. Denver.
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speaking of Denver and in the Tebow thread. how about we trade Robiskie to Denver for Tebow? both are high round picks (within the same general area of the draft - high1st/low2nd). both have underperformed and are losing or lost confidence from the coaching staff. they could use a WR to compete with Royal and everyone else for the spots outside Lloyd. we could use a fullback. 
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speaking of Denver and in the Tebow thread. how about we trade Robiskie to Denver for Tebow?
both are high round picks (within the same general area of the draft - high1st/low2nd). both have underperformed and are losing or lost confidence from the coaching staff.
they could use a WR to compete with Royal and everyone else for the spots outside Lloyd.
we could use a fullback.
LOL,,, as if! What is it with folks? Robo didn't catch a ball friday.. If I recall, he was only thrown one and it would have been a miracle for him to have caught that one. So why are you thinking that the coaching staff has lost faith in Robo?
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well, first we need to figure out how much value the FB position has in today's NFL
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Robo didn't catch a ball friday.. If I recall, he was only thrown one and it would have been a miracle for him to have caught that one. So why are you thinking that the coaching staff has lost faith in Robo?
Because he can't get open for us to throw the ball to him?
I hated the pick when we made it, and he's done nothing to change my mind.
I made a $1,000 bet with a friend of mine that Robiskie wouldn't catch more than 100 balls in a Browns uniform.
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Robo didn't catch a ball friday.. If I recall, he was only thrown one and it would have been a miracle for him to have caught that one. So why are you thinking that the coaching staff has lost faith in Robo?
Because he can't get open for us to throw the ball to him?
I hated the pick when we made it, and he's done nothing to change my mind.
I made a $1,000 bet with a friend of mine that Robiskie wouldn't catch more than 100 balls in a Browns uniform.
Still liking that bet.
Holy cow,, why not give him a chance in this offense before blowing him up and saying he's not worth it.
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That's a ballsy bet with a nice price tag.
That certainly took some cojones to make that bet.
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Robo didn't catch a ball friday.. If I recall, he was only thrown one and it would have been a miracle for him to have caught that one. So why are you thinking that the coaching staff has lost faith in Robo?
Because he can't get open for us to throw the ball to him?
I hated the pick when we made it, and he's done nothing to change my mind.
I made a $1,000 bet with a friend of mine that Robiskie wouldn't catch more than 100 balls in a Browns uniform.
Still liking that bet.
Holy cow,, why not give him a chance in this offense before blowing him up and saying he's not worth it.
Because he's garbage whether it's in this offense, or a 7-on-7 flag football offense.
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I guess that's cool. There are a couple things I can't/won't do and one is bet on the Browns to lose and the other is hope that a Browns player fails... and if I had a grand on it, I'd have to root for him to fail...
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I learned a long time ago it's not about how things start, it's about how they finish.
When the Tebow saga is done, then we can talk about how it finished.
I FINALLY found someone who echoes my thoughts regarding Tebow...
Merril Hoge...He loves em'...lmao...
Hoge is funny...Just CUT HIM...lol...
Better yet call McDaniels in St. Louis...YOU like him so much give me a 7th rounder and we'll ship him your way...lol...
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Robo didn't catch a ball friday.. If I recall, he was only thrown one and it would have been a miracle for him to have caught that one. So why are you thinking that the coaching staff has lost faith in Robo?
Because he can't get open for us to throw the ball to him?
I hated the pick when we made it, and he's done nothing to change my mind.
I made a $1,000 bet with a friend of mine that Robiskie wouldn't catch more than 100 balls in a Browns uniform.
Still liking that bet.
Holy cow,, why not give him a chance in this offense before blowing him up and saying he's not worth it.
Because he's garbage whether it's in this offense, or a 7-on-7 flag football offense.
Well, that's your opinion and as far as that goes, it's cool.. I just don't agree with ya..
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-broncosquarterbacksOrton wins Denver starting job, No. 2 up for grabs By ARNIE STAPLETON, AP Pro Football Writer ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP)—Denver Broncos coach John Fox has seen enough to name Kyle Orton(notes) his starting quarterback. What he hasn’t determined is who’s No. 2. Fox said Tim Tebow(notes) and Brady Quinn(notes) have two more preseason games to win the job as Orton’s primary backup. Because the league’s new rules don’t mandate teams designate their quarterback rotation on game day any more, the winner of that QB competition might remain a mystery, however, barring an injury to Orton. The Broncos began training camp trying to trade Orton but when no teams made an offer, they opened the competition and Orton quickly showed he was the best of the bunch. He’s gotten almost all the work with the starters. “Well, we’ve talked to the quarterbacks, in particular Kyle,” Fox said after practice Monday. “We’re going to name him the starter for the opener against the Raiders (on Sept. 12). We’ve not really reached a conclusion on 2 or 3 yet, and won’t, probably, until after the preseason games.” Orton’s starting status hasn’t really been in doubt since the first day of training camp, when he showed the gulf between him and the others was still enormous. “He’s played very well. He has great command of the offense, I think he has the most experience in this offense, and I think that’s been evident,” Fox said. Tebow, who started the final three games last season and thought he’d be coming into camp as the incumbent, might slip to the No. 3 job as he continues to struggle with accuracy and mechanics while Quinn shows vast improvement from last year, when former coach Josh McDaniels didn’t play him at all during the regular season. Here’s how the QB competition breaks down: — Orton has a 110.0 passer rating in the preseason. He drove Denver to two touchdowns in three drives Saturday night and has completed 12 of 19 passes for 172 yards and a touchdown with no interceptions. — Quinn has a 95.1 QB rating. He’s completed 18 of 30 passes for 250 yards, two TDs and an interception against Buffalo that looked like it hit the ground and should have been ruled an incompletion. The play ended the half and wasn’t reviewed, however. He drove Denver to a field goal and a touchdown after that. — Tebow has the best passer rating of the three at 113.4, completing 7 of 9 passes for 101 yards with no TDs and no interceptions. He’s been sacked twice and was relegated to mop-up duty Saturday night when the Bills’ ground game chewed up the clock in the fourth quarter. During practice Monday, Orton spent a good deal of time tutoring Tebow on what looked to be mechanics and motion. Rookie quarterback Adam Weber(notes), who hasn’t taken a preseason snap, said that wasn’t surprising. “I think it just goes to show that there’s a lot of respect in the quarterback room for each other,” Weber said. “We’re all professionals. We’re all trying to just get better at our own game and I think everyone understands that each person brings something different and it’s all about the team, the focus, and that’s what Coach Fox is all about. “And I think Kyle has taken on that role as a leader and saying, `It’s not about this quarterback competition and this controversy; it’s about helping out another player, another Bronco.”’ Weber, an undrafted rookie from the University of Minnesota, has a unique perspective on the Broncos’ quarterback competition that seems to make national news on a daily basis even though Orton weeks ago squashed any drama about who would start. Weber said the popular notion that Orton gives Tebow the cold shoulder is actually fictional. “I think it’s just a lot of hype, trying to feed this QB controversy,” Weber said. “I think all the quarterbacks take on the mindset of: `I’m going to control what I can but I’m also going to help the team out so we can be the best team possible.”’
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If you’re wondering about the plight of that other inexperienced passer on the Broncos’ roster – how far and fast he has fallen in the eyes of his bosses – consider that at least some people in the organization believe that Tim Tebow(notes) is the fourth-best quarterback on the roster.
As one highly knowledgeable member of the organization told me Monday, “If everything was totally equal, and this were a competition based only on performance at this camp, Tebow would probably be the fourth-string guy. Kyle [Orton] is far and away the best, and Tebow’s way behind [Brady] Quinn, too. And I’m telling you, Adam Weber is flat-out better right now.”
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i was impressed with his throws in the last preseason game. even if it was backups, he was making completions past 15 yards instead of quickly dumping it off.
also noticed his arms were a bit smaller than i remember. maybe he decided that his arms should look more like brady's and manning's and not the hulk's and is reaping the benefits?
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I wouldn't mind Cleveland looking at him.
He could be a beast at TE.
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i never got that thought process. tebow isn't even that fast and i certainly don't think he outruns the average nfl linebacker. a college linebacker, maybe, not an nfl one though. i think tebow is purely hype and has no real role on an nfl team besides not seeing the field.
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