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j/c BEREA, Ohio -- Observations from Browns practice today ... * It was kind of a big day for Mohamed Massaquoi. The wide receiver had the cast removed from his left foot. He still watched practice wearing a walking boot, but ditching the cast means he's one step closer to returning. President Mike Holmgren has said he expected Massaquoi on the field some time next week. The injury is believed to be a chip fracture on the foot. Neither the club nor Massaquoi has confirmed details. * Quarterback Colt McCoy and the first-team offense appeared to have a good day. Timing, spacing and rhythm in the passing game is a work in progress and it looks like all of it is coming. McCoy admitted after practice that having a few receivers out -- Massaquoi the whole time, and Josh Cribbs, Jordan Norwood and Carlton Mitchell for short periods -- has made it "challenging" to develop rhythm with the group as a whole. McCoy is indefatigably upbeat, but also refreshingly candid and insightful. * Rookie receiver Greg Little did his thing on a McCoy pass in the end zone. Little soared above safety Usama Young and plucked the ball out of the air. Nobody else on the team comes down with that pass. * This James Dockery makes a play or two every day. The undrafted cornerback from Oregon State had a good breakup underneath on a pass to towering Chris Matthews. Dockery clapped his hands, like he let an interception get away. A few plays later he leaped high for an interception on a sideline route. Dockery currently is listed fourth at right cornerback. He's made more plays in a week than we've seen in two years from Coye Francies, a guy listed ahead of him. * Defensive end Jayme Mitchell (leg) watched from the sideline. Also out were linebacker Chris Gocong (neck), running back Montario Hardesty (knee) and Massaquoi (foot). * Undrafted offensive lineman Dominic Alford was carted off the field after suffering an undisclosed injury in one-on-one drills. link
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Wednesday, August 10, 2011
Daniel Wolf/National Football Authority
By Daniel Wolf
Senior Writer
Gone are the days of the extreme heat and in are the days of cooler temperatures at the Cleveland Browns training facility. At least it has been this way for the past two days of practice.
Injury Report
-Wide receiver Mohamed Massaquoi was still riding a bike today, but the "boot" he was wearing—that I've said looked more like a cast this whole time—looked different this morning. It looked more like a legitimate walking boot so whatever chipped or fractured bone he has looks to be healing now and I would have to say he was indeed wearing a cast the past two weeks (just my opinion though).
-Linebacker Chris Gocong was still inactive and with trainers due to his neck stinger.
-Starting defensive end Jayme Mitchell was also not in full pads and riding bikes with Massaquoi due to knee soreness.
Deep Balls
-Today was the day of the deep pass. Colt McCoy and Jarrett Brown were the two quarterbacks who were throwing deep the most today. McCoy's passes were flung through the air in excess of 25-50 (ish) yards at times too.
-The player everyone is talking about is tight end Evan Moore and he was the recipient of several long passes today. No surprise here. He should be called Evan "Mismatch" Moore, since he is a mismatch all over the field.
-On one particular deep pass rookie receiver Greg Little beat free safety Usama Young, in the back end of the defense, and McCoy heaved a nearly 50 yard pass through the air. McCoy should have put a tad more zip on the pass, since Little had to slow down to wait for the ball to drop, but Little went up and over Young for the catch and the crowd went nuts for that pass-and-catch. Who said McCoy couldn't throw a long ball?
-McCoy threw another deep ball to Josh Cribbs, who was covered by undrafted free agent rookie cornerback James Dockery. Cribbs was not open and in double-coverage, so McCoy wisely threw it too deep and out of bounds to prevent a turnover.
-Backup quarterback Brown and receiver Rod Windsor were connecting today on several deep balls. On one play, Windsor managed to get behind the entire defense and Brown launched a pass—with ease—right into Windsor's hands and he ran into the endzone for a fictitious touchdown.
-Brown also connected with undrafted free agent rookie receiver L.J. Castile on a deep pass. Brown rolled out to avoid pocket pressure and in mid-stride—and off his back foot—threw a laser to Castile, who also caught it in-stride too.
Other Observations
-Running back Brandon Jackson had a rare bobble and drop of a McCoy pass, which nearly lead to an interception. B. Jackson doesn't commit turnovers or mental issues like that and has yet to fumble in his NFL career so far.
-Dockery was getting a ton of reps on both second and third team defensive units. He looks better everyday in practice and could be a dark horse to be one of the few undrafted free agent rookies to make the final roster. On one play, Dockery jumped a route perfectly but could not hold on to a guaranteed pick-six.
-Receiver Jordan Norwood continues to impress me. He has the quickness and speed to be a very good slot receiver in the West Coast offense and he runs fearless routes over the middle of the field over and over again.
Finally Getting the Best of a Pro Bowler
-Finally, I saw rookie defensive end Jabaal Sheard get the better of Pro Bowl tackle Joe Thomas. It was not a sack, but he and Ahtyba Rubin really moved the left side of the offensive line into the pocket and one of the two got their hand up to bat down a McCoy pass. Good to see the rookie learning from Thomas and getting some help from Rubin to move that side of the line.
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-On one particular deep pass rookie receiver Greg Little beat free safety Usama Young, in the back end of the defense, and McCoy heaved a nearly 50 yard pass through the air. McCoy should have put a tad more zip on the pass, since Little had to slow down to wait for the ball to drop, but Little went up and over Young for the catch and the crowd went nuts for that pass-and-catch. Who said McCoy couldn't throw a long ball?
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Dockery was getting a ton of reps on both second and third team defensive units. He looks better everyday in practice and could be a dark horse to be one of the few undrafted free agent rookies to make the final roster. On one play, Dockery jumped a route perfectly but could not hold on to a guaranteed pick-six.
It would be great to see Dockery become a diamond in the rough. I have been hearing good things about him all camp. The Coye Francies experiment may be over folks.
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Finally, I saw rookie defensive end Jabaal Sheard get the better of Pro Bowl tackle Joe Thomas. It was not a sack, but he and Ahtyba Rubin really moved the left side of the offensive line into the pocket and one of the two got their hand up to bat down a McCoy pass. Good to see the rookie learning from Thomas and getting some help from Rubin to move that side of the line.
This battle has been the most fun to read about. There is no doubt that these two battling on a daily basis is going to make both of them better players.
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It would be great to see Dockery become a diamond in the rough. I have been hearing good things about him all camp. The Coye Francies experiment may be over folks.
I've been a Coye Francies supporter since the beginning, but have yet to see a thing from him. Loving what I'm reading about Dockery. I don't care who it is, I just want one of these guys to step up as a serious contributor.
BTW, which on is Pride and which on is Joy?  
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Dockery was a baller in the Pac-10.
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He's made more plays in a week than we've seen in two years from Coye Francies, a guy listed ahead of him.
I was hoping to see Coye step up and contribute, but I guess his days are numbered.
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Didn't the Jags pick him up for a while? I don't remember seeing/reading about anything he did down there.
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I believe you're thinking of Don Carey.
"The medium for the bad news was ESPN, which figured. The network represents much of what is loud, obnoxious and empty in sports today."
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Ahh, you might be right. I couldn't remember. Thanks.
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Running back Brandon Jackson had a rare bobble and drop of a McCoy pass, which nearly lead to an interception. B. Jackson doesn't commit turnovers or mental issues like that and has yet to fumble in his NFL career so far.
Well w/ Cleveland-Brown-Luck, I'm sure that streak will just keep on goin'.
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I know, I know, James Walker, but still: Quote:
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Player: Branndon Braxton, offensive lineman
Analysis: Braxton was undrafted in 2009 and played well in the UFL for two seasons. He is hungry to make the Browns' 53-man roster this year. Braxton has a good chance at right tackle, which is a thin spot for Cleveland. Braxton has good size (6-foot-6, 315 pounds) and is holding up well in pass protection. He is surprisingly pushing veteran right tackle Tony Pashos in Browns camp.
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Player: Branndon Braxton, offensive lineman
Analysis: Braxton was undrafted in 2009 and played well in the UFL for two seasons. He is hungry to make the Browns' 53-man roster this year. Braxton has a good chance at right tackle, which is a thin spot for Cleveland. Braxton has good size (6-foot-6, 315 pounds) and is holding up well in pass protection. He is surprisingly pushing veteran right tackle Tony Pashos in Browns camp.
Except the fact that he has been primarily at LT for camp.
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he had microfracture surgery in his knee and its still not fully recovered
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What better place than here?
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J/C Some updates from todays practice... http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/team/CLE12 minutes ago - by Marty Gitlin - McCoy outplaying Wallace Those still complaining QB Seneca Wallace should be competing with Colt McCoy for the starting job aren't paying attention. McCoy is clearly performing better despite Wallace's experience in the West Coast offense. Browns RapidReports 27 minutes ago - by Marty Gitlin - Watson may not be suited for West Coast offense All three prominent TEs have looked good in camp, but one wonders how the plodding Benjamin Watson will fare in the new West Coast offense. The more mobile Evan Moore and rookie Jordan Cameron could prove more effective. Browns RapidReports 59 minutes ago - by Marty Gitlin - Mitchell returns to practice DE Jayme Mitchell (knee strain) has returned to practice. It would seem he has no competition for the starting job. Marcus Benard, who has been asked to lose weight, will almost certainly be relegated to the role of situational pass rusher. Browns RapidReports Aug. 11, 2011 9:29 a.m. - by Marty Gitlin - Young DBs making their mark The Browns are encouraged by the performances of their young DBs. Ball-hawking CB James Dockery and S Buster Skrine have been particularly impressive. Skrine has provided blanket coverage on nearly every play and could earn time in nickel or dime packages. Browns RapidReports Aug. 11, 2011 9:12 a.m. - by Marty Gitlin - Starters will play one quarter The first team will play the first quarter Saturday against the Packers. The coaches will get three quarters to evaluate hopefuls. The starters are expected to receive more reps than usual in the middle two preseason games. Browns RapidReports Aug. 11, 2011 9:10 a.m. - by John Oehser - Gocong missing practice but likely to play The stationary bike brigade numbers a season-low two: OLB Chris Gocong (stinger) and WR Mohamed Massaquoi (foot). RB Montario Hardesty (knee) is working with a trainer. Only Gocong is a possibility to play in the preseason opener Saturday. Browns RapidReports
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I don't think this guy is right about watson.. How many years removed is he from catching Champ Bailey to stop a sure TD on an INT? 6 years?Watson is still plenty fast enough. He may have lost a step,, probably has, but still,, not bad at all.
http://www.youtube.com/v/6VKUSgHPm4E
Glad to see that Mitchell is back and that Gocong will probably play this weekend... and its good to see that McCoy is improving...
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not to mention he was our best receiver last year. that tends to hold up in the WCO as well.
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not to mention he was our best receiver last year. that tends to hold up in the WCO as well.
True enough, he had a pretty darn good year in 2010 
He's got some other TE's that look good also, so I'd actually expect a bit of a drop off in receptions. But if the other two guys, Cameron and Evan, pick up the slack,, I'm good with that..
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Tight ends, tight ends, tight ends . . .
I hate to be negative Nelly, but I can't WAIT to see more enthusiastic conversation regarding our receivers . . .
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Watson is perfect trade bait. He has 2 maybe 3 years left at most but he is still playing at a very high level. We have 2 replacements lined up that are probably better suited for this offense and we also have a blocking TE with decent hands as well in Alex Smith.
Maybe see if the Giants will take Watson and a 3rd or 4th for Osi. Might as well get something out of him while you can. About 7 or 8 teams still looking for a good TE.
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Actually, that's a great idea.
The only problem is Moore is an injury concern and Cameron has never played with real live bullets.
But I do like the thought.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I hate to be negative Nelly, but I can't WAIT to see more enthusiastic conversation regarding our receivers . . .
I think that's unanimous, but I think Even Moore is a TE in name only.
Numbers aside from last season.
I think the rest of the League is keenly aware of Evan Moore and the problems he presents to any defense.
Moore took some pretty big shots witch appeared intentionally (I thought) to take him out of the game.
By all accounts he seems to be picking up where he left off and it's possible that he could take his game to the next level in this our new offense.
I could see him in the pro bowl someday once he learns the nuances of his game and he and McCoy have practiced and played together long enough for the process to be second nature.
I think Evan Moore will make those around him even better, because like drops, that seem to be contagious, so to can sure handedness be.
Optimism level here is way high folks (as if you couldn't tell)
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my fear for Evan Moore is that big guys that are as fast and nimble as he tend to have a tough time staying healthy in the NFL. but, that fear is alleviated by the fact that we also have Watson, Jordan, and even Alex Smith.
now, my fears at some other positions don't have that kind of depth to fall back on.
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Watson is perfect trade bait. He has 2 maybe 3 years left at most but he is still playing at a very high level. We have 2 replacements lined up that are probably better suited for this offense and we also have a blocking TE with decent hands as well in Alex Smith.
Maybe see if the Giants will take Watson and a 3rd or 4th for Osi. Might as well get something out of him while you can. About 7 or 8 teams still looking for a good TE.
I think Watson's trade value should still be pretty high, because he is more then just a pass receiving TE and quite frankly the League is pretty thin with players who can do both equally well.
Watson is a Veteran Leader on offense and younger guys look to him for advice, so he also has hidden values to a team.
With that said I would like to see him in a Browns uniform this season.
I like all four of our TE's, but Jordan Cameron will need time to develop and you would like to go into the season knowing that you have a backup inline TE.
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my fear for Evan Moore is that big guys that are as fast and nimble as he tend to have a tough time staying healthy in the NFL. but, that fear is alleviated by the fact that we also have Watson, Jordan, and even Alex Smith.
now, my fears at some other positions don't have that kind of depth to fall back on.
Well I agree Moore needs to learn to tuck and take (avoid) a hit a little better, because he got his bell rang pretty good on a few occasions last year.
I think it has a lot to do with his all out style of play and like Hillis it lends itself to injury.
The QB can be a factor there as well I think.
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Seems like Evan Moore will be lined up at wide receiver quite a bit. I am looking forward to seeing Moore, Watson, and Cameron all on the field at the same time.
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With that said I would like to see him in a Browns uniform this season.
I like all four of our TE's, but Jordan Cameron will need time to develop and you would like to go into the season knowing that you have a backup inline TE.
I totally agree. I still think teams are more afraid of Ben Watson than Moore, Cameron, and Smith combined. It would be nice to keep the 2TE option available with Watson, the proven veteran leader and our #1 receiving threat last year, getting all the attention as Moore and Cameron dominate safeties, linebackers, nickel corners, and even Darelle Revis on occasion.
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That would more resemble a front court of a basketball team
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I would love to see a package where we line up Watson at TE, and Moore and Cameron at WR. Then just run it and watch the 250 TE push around some corners, or would could have some jump balls. Might be a decent red zone package.
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I totally agree. I still think teams are more afraid of Ben Watson than Moore, Cameron, and Smith combined. It would be nice to keep the 2TE option available with Watson, the proven veteran leader and our #1 receiving threat last year, getting all the attention as Moore and Cameron dominate safeties, linebackers, nickel corners, and even Darelle Revis on occasion.
You don't get greater respect then that.
The good news is that we wont have to face the Jets all that often.
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BEREA - Quarterback Colt McCoy and the rest of the Browns starters will play a quarter Saturday night in the preseason opener against Green Bay at Cleveland Browns Stadium. First-year coach Pat Shurmur said Thursday the second team will play about two quarters, followed by the rest of the roster to finish the game. Shurmur said he isn’t anxious, just really excited, for his first game as head coach and to see how the Browns react against another team. With dozens of new players, a mostly new coaching staff and no offseason because of the lockout, Shurmur expects the Browns will look like they have “a long way to go.” They are still installing new schemes on offense (the West Coast) and defense (the 4-3). Other notes and observations from practice: ** Safety Usama Young’s left hamstring tightened up - Shurmur said it’s been nagging him - and he sat out much of practice. He was replaced by Mike Adams, who’s challenging for the starting job. ** Rookie safety Eric Hagg fell on his left knee defending a pass in a red zone drill. He had the knee wrapped and watched the rest of practice. ** Starting defensive end Jayme Mitchell (knee) returned to practice after sitting out Wednesday. ** Running back Montario Hardesty (knee) again worked on the side with trainers but added more lateral work. ** Receiver Mohamed Massaquoi (foot) didn’t practice, but Shurmur said he’s moving closer to wearing a shoe - rather than a walking boot - and moving around. ** Offensive lineman Dominic Alford, who was carted off the field Wednesday with a back injury, returned in a limited capacity. ** Linebacker Chris Gocong (stinger) and defensive lineman Jabari Fletcher (sprained knee) didn’t practice. ** Rookie cornerback Buster Skrine continues to flash. He knocked away a pass intended for rookie receiver Greg Little, then a few plays later wrestled the ball away from Little for an interception. ** Linebacker Scott Fujita intercepted quarterback Seneca Wallace on a throw over the middle. link
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This is pretty much what I expect on Saturday.
Not much, but the work can gain a lot.
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DE Jayme Mitchell (knee strain) has returned to practice. It would seem he has no competition for the starting job. Marcus Benard, who has been asked to lose weight, will almost certainly be relegated to the role of situational pass rusher. Browns RapidReports
Aug. 11, 2011 9:29 a.m. - by Marty Gitlin - Young DBs making their mark
The Browns are encouraged by the performances of their young DBs. Ball-hawking CB James Dockery and S Buster Skrine have been particularly impressive. Skrine has provided blanket coverage on nearly every play and could earn time in nickel or dime packages. Browns RapidReports
So have there been any Brian Schaefering sightings, especially if Benard is supposedly " situational".
2, Skrine is a Safety? Thought he was a corner?
Also if Dockery keeps making plays, then maybe Francies will be on his way out. Hopefully Francies would be out before Ventrone, because for some reason I like Ventrone more than Francies, (maybe the ints in last years pre season)
Wait a second, why are we hearing so much more about Dockery and Skrine, than Patterson, Dimitri Patterson FA pick up CB from two weeks ago, and Young also.
I'll tell you one thing , If this Front office has Usama Young penciled in to start over Mike Adams they better Keep their eyes open.
Because I've been keeping my Eyes OPEN on MIKE ADAMS for about 3 years now
and I can't remember one time, (or many times) this guy Mike Adams makes a bonehead play.
It just doesn't happen Mike Adams doesn't disappoint, even though it feels like the prevailing thinking is were waiting on him to.
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They should start to appreciate Mike Adams.
They do, I think, because they/I like that he can backup two positions. That gives us more flexibility at the bottom of our roster.
Dockery I think could be a PS player to develop, because he could get caught in a numbers game to make the final roster.
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Because I've been keeping my Eyes OPEN on MIKE ADAMS for about 3 years now
and I can't remember one time, (or many times) this guy Mike Adams makes a bonehead play.
I'll second that. I respected Holmgren for snatching "the QB of our defense" Brian Russell away from us when we drafted Pool. From what I've seen from Mike Adams at safety thus far, he closest resembles the "DB QB" role that hasn't really been properly filled since Russell left. Mike Adams is solid, if they think Young is better - I can respect that, but I do know what we have in Mike Adams.
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i've been reading that Schaefering is working inside as DT depth, not at DE.
#gmstrong
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i've been reading that Schaefering is working inside as DT depth, not at DE.
Yes he is and is listed as such (DT) on the depth chart.
But then he and Robinson are both listed at 6'4" and 295 lbs.
I wonder if Robinson was asked to lose some weight this off season?
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