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a) Jon is always funny, and this one is hysterical
b) he has a point
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That was funny! You have to wonder why the media is ignoring Paul. On the other hand, if I were managing his campaign, I'd try my best to keep him out of the daily news.....and then I'd pull out all the stops just prior to the convention to win the nomination. It's a long shot, but it will take a strategy like that for a good candidate to stay out of the fray and win the election. I'll definitely be voting for him again.
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You have to wonder why the media is ignoring Paul.
a) He's dangerous to the status quo.
Virtually no one in a position of power wants Paul in one.
b) He doesn't fit the narrative.
Ron Paul is exactly what the Tea Party claims it's about. But the Tea party is complete B.S. and doesn't stand for anything it claims to. Essentially, Paul is a thorn in the side of the whole liberal Dems vs. conservative GOP myth that all sources -no matter the bias - want to keep alive.
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ron paul is ross perot lol
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ron paul is ross perot lol
In some way's you're right, though I don't see what's funny??
I know it's strange to hear politicians telling it like it is even when they know that won't get votes.
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it was kind of a "i'm sort of right and that sucks" half laugh. didnt need to put lol. should have put :-/
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The media...fox, cnn, msnbc----all these stations are a joke.....total joke....
IMO, Paul is exactly what this country needs---but he will never get coverage b/c he doesn't pander to the masses with bs rhetoric.....
The media doesn't want a guy like paul in the white house. I don't think anyone in Washington wants Paul in the White House.....
He is too principled......too smart, and too committed to actually bringing change...
That bs Change line that Obama sold America 3 years ago. The "Change" that had twenty-somethings on college campuses around the country rallying around O---tha'ts Pauls bag---but Paul actually has principle and integrity and he isn't just empty rhetoric....
He is what America needs---but no one wants him elected---its sad...tremendously sad.
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Ron Paul is exactly what the Tea Party claims it's about.
Ron Paul was the Tea Party before it got hijacked.
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If Ron Paul was the Tea Party candidate, I would seriously consider voting for him... And I can't stand the Tea Party. Palin 2.0 and the Praying Texan don't stand a chance at my vote.
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b) He doesn't fit the narrative.
That's it really. There is no juice around him. He doesn't say stupid things like Palin, he doesn't have the fiery rhetoric of a Bachman, he doesn't have Gingrichs' baggage, doesn't complain about "gotcha" questions or drive-by media. He doesn't have the politician coif and smile a la Romney.
He IS, in political circles the crazy old uncle. But if you listen closely, and have listened closely, he's been consistent, thoughtful and earnest.
Let's face it. Our media makes the political race a perverse version of American Idol. Paul, like you said, doesn't fit in. He's not a ratings grabber.
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I like Ron Paul a great deal. Wish I had voted for him in '08 just for the sake of principle. I didn't because some of his policies scare the bejeezus out of me and he has not addressed them enough (I want to know what he really would do with his foreign policies basically. I like most of his domestic ones).
Like others have said, he has tried to do what the Tea Party claims it wants to do. Personally, I think his son, Rand, will eventually be a better candidate than Ron because he is better with the media and he is not quite as strict on all his aspects of Libertarian.
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Ron Paul was the Tea Party before it got hijacked.
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Ron Paul was the Tea Party before it got hijacked.
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Which is why I disagree with Phil when he says the Tea Party is a bunch of sellouts, etc. Yes, some people have tried to hijack the tea party and make it just half a step right of mainstream republicans but the original tea party is still out there... they are experiencing growing pains, it's still a very young movement and it could still go in either direction in the end, but it's still the only movement out there with any significant number of people working to do the right thing... which is why I still try to support it, only I try to support the part I like..
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The one thing that disqualifies Ron Paul to a lot of voters is his insistence on strict non interference militarily in the world. He has a strict "anti- interventionist" philosophy that, I think, scares a lot of people. I could see him closing down every base except those on US soil, and bringing home every one of our troops. That's scary. While I agree that we have managed to stretch ourselves too thin, I also think that we need to be prepared to handle situations that are a direct threat to the US and our allies. (and yes, we do need allies, even with our overwhelming military strength) I think that Rand Paul could well be a candidate, and a strong one, 8 years from now when the next President is coming off his 2nd term ..........  LOL (That was a joke people .... deal with it) 
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That's why we have a congress and a senate right? So a potential president like Paul, who has some good ideas and a few kooky ideas can't just run amok doing whatever he wants... In the end, congress still has to approve most of what he would want to do...
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Yeah, but the President, as has been seen over the past decade or so, is doing more and more with his signature, bypassing Congress.
Has Congress yet authorized military action in Lybia?
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not just from a defense standpoint, but also an economic one. he wants more isolationism, which I think we are well beyond that point. it's a global economy now and we just need to find a better way at managing it.
like I said, from what I have seen, he still fits my ideals better than any of the other candidates, I just want to see him truly address what he will do there so I can give him my full support.
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I have been watching the daily show at least a night or two per week for close to half a dozen years ... but Stewart has started to become very biased in my opinion recently.
I mean I know it's a commedy show first and foremost. But I just feel like he used to be more of a political commentator ... and now he has started to take blatant shots at specific people whether they are in politics or they are other newscasters ... anyone else agree?
For this specific clip I do understand the situation with Ron Paul and I gotta say I agree ... but even though I agree with him he just keeps hammering the nail in on whatever side he thinks recently without actually expressing both sides or other specific reasons ... just starts to bug me recently.
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he used to bag on both sides mercilessly even though outside the daily show he has always been liberal. that's why I enjoyed him (and have never cared for the Colbert Report).
yes, recently, he has fashioned himself a political commentator where he picks a position and just blasts away like the rest of them. oh well.
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Given the number of times it is referenced in political threads around here, one would wonder.
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I think Ron Paul's stance on abortion will hurt him as well. IIRC, he supports a complete ban on abortion. No exceptions. Not even for rape or incest victims who are impregnated by their attackers. I know many folks who consider themselves pro-life who have trouble with this position.
While I believe many Americans can accept further restrictions on abortion, I think many will find this stance as barbaric as an early term abortion.
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honestly, there is very little the president can do on the abortion issue other than suggest legislation on some restrictions. it's not like he can just reverse the Supreme Court decision.
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Well, if you go to his website, he seems to believe that he can remove abortion from federal court jurisdiction altogether. I can't see how that would be possible without violating the very constitution he claims to support, but I'm far from a legal expert. Maybe it is possible. ::shrug::
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yeah, I have seen that, but like you, I do not think it is legal.
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Well, if you go to his website, he seems to believe that he can remove abortion from federal court jurisdiction altogether. I can't see how that would be possible without violating the very constitution he claims to support, but I'm far from a legal expert. Maybe it is possible. ::shrug::
I don't think it has anything to do with it being legal or illegal but I'm pretty sure that his opinion is that abortion should be a states rights issue.. just like gay marriage.. which is one of the things I like most about him in that he supports taking a lot of issues out of the federal governments hands and giving them back to the states where they belong... and that is VERY constitutional.
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Ron Paul believes that the ninth and tenth amendments to the U.S. Constitution do not grant the federal government any authority to legalize or ban abortion. Instead, it is up to the individual states to prohibit abortion.
http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/abortion/
the problem is that the Supreme Court has already ruled on abortion. putting the issue in the hands of every single states Supreme Court is feasible (maintain status quo until challenged in court), but still problematic (lots of $$$, time, effort for one. also, I think it is better from an overall perspective to have a retrial at the Supreme Court evidence with the new scientific evidence and actually have the Supreme Court determine the 'start of life' rather than the black&white of whether abortion should be illegal or not. That is the purpose of the court, so let's use it).
anyways, in the case of gay marriage, the Supreme Court has been very careful so far. they have only determined the constitutionality of specific state laws and not made the over-bearing decision on whether or not the country should allow gay marriage (unlike what they did in Roe v. Wade).
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I don't think it has anything to do with it being legal or illegal but I'm pretty sure that his opinion is that abortion should be a states rights issue.. just like gay marriage.. which is one of the things I like most about him in that he supports taking a lot of issues out of the federal governments hands and giving them back to the states where they belong... and that is VERY constitutional.
... and I understand that is his opinion (I don't necessarily disagree with him on that). However, my point is that I don't see how he as president could legally stop challenges to state laws from entering the federal court's jurisdiction should a citizen (or group of citizens) decide they want to pursue the matter beyond the state's supreme court. I don't think THAT would be constitutional, but I could be wrong. As I said, I'm not a legal expert. 
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And you are correct. That would be up to the SC to say no, we aren't going to hear it and let the states ruling be the final ruling. All the President can do is appoint judges that he believes will act from the same constitutional perspective as him (or her).
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One term of Ron Paul as President, and I guarantee you this,, we'd be on the absolute right track... that is if congress didn't get in the way
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One term of Ron Paul as President, and I guarantee you this,, we'd be on the absolute right track... that is if congress didn't get in the way
I think I'd have to agree to that. I don't think he would allow the economy or the country to be sold out like it has been the last ten years plus.
I also wouldn't mind more of a "isolationist" economy. The return of good paying jobs and a country that makes what it buys.... Hmmm, sounds pretty good to me.
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I think I'd have to agree to that. I don't think he would allow the economy or the country to be sold out like it has been the last ten years plus.
I also wouldn't mind more of a "isolationist" economy. The return of good paying jobs and a country that makes what it buys.... Hmmm, sounds pretty good to me.
What a novel idea,, make products here? wow,, why didn't I think of that... LOL
Seriously, I agree.
to tell the truth,, if I had to vote for a president today,, it would be for Ron Paul..
the rest of the field is made up of wannabes, neverwasers and empty suits.
they will sway whatever way the wind blows today... I'm completely disgusted with our politicians.
Republicans seem only to be interested in making sure that Obama doesn't get re-elected, Democrats seem to only be interested in stopping the Republicans from doing anything...
Neither side is working for us.. Too busy beating the hell out of each other instead of doing the job they were elected to do.
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Regardless, the bottom 50% or so are already paying nothing.
Instead of trying to increase taxes, let's cut the damn spending!
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Instead of trying to increase taxes, let's cut the damn spending!
Why 'instead of'? Why are the two mutually exclusive to you?
And who out there is not advocating spending cuts? Where are the voices clamoring to not cut anything?
You've got the Democrats pitching superficial cuts, the Republicans pitching superficial cuts. Beyond them, you've got those who want to cut defense, those who want to cut social spending, those who want to cut art funding, the folks who want to cut corporate subsidies ... just about any opinion you seek, that opinion is 99.9% likely to contain some desire for drastic cuts to federal spending.
Who out there is saying 'No cuts, anywhere. Just tax and we'll be good.' Who advocates this philosophy that continually seems to anger you guys?
Now clearly no one is Washington is going to turn off the money faucet ... so you're right to be angry there. I just don't get this mantra that not only doesn't make much fiscal sense, but seems to find itself arguing against points of view that don't really exist.
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Why are they mutually exclusive? Because Congress and the President have proven incapable of even holding their spending to the money they take in. Give them more money and it's almost like giving them permission to add even more spending. (Which I bet any money is at least one of the proposals the President will put forth when he announces his "plan" .... after he's back from his vacation) Cut spending first. If wecut spending, and we're making progress, then I don't have a problem with increasing taxes. However, it should be across the board as a truly honest "shared sacrifice", instead of the crap spewed by this President whose "shared sacrifice" means that only a few people pay. If we went to dinner with the President his idea of sharing the cost of the meal would be that someone else pays.  One other thing ..... you have said that you like Ron Paul, right? When is the last time he supported a tax increase of any kind? He supports a balanced budget.... but how does he propose we attain that goal?
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I'm not wholeheartedly behind his viewpoints, but I do agree with many and he actually does what he says, which separates him from pretty much everyone.
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Getting rid of just about every federal expenditure.
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Regardless, the bottom 50% or so are already paying nothing.
Instead of trying to increase taxes, let's cut the damn spending!
Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending... thats all I hear from some.. as if that's the only thing that needs done.
this isn't a one trick pony,, if you cut spending, that's no guarantee you will solve this nations problems..
is it necessary,. you bet it is..
You know what else is? Cut Waste. Something that every damn politician out there talks about, but does little about.. just more pork.
You also have to maximize revenue. Collect what's owed, get the cash in the door.
Fix the tax laws so that not only the middle class pay, but the wealthy as well. There should never be a situation where someone earns a million and pays no tax..,
yeah, before someone says it,, i don't care that collecting more from the wealthy will only bring in X dollars.. the point it, it's not the magic bullet.. but it's a piece of the puzzle.
Cut spending, cut waste, enhance revenue...
it's all or nothing.. you can't pick one and ignore the rest.
Mostly, we've seen NOTHING except a bunch of idiots in washington talking but not working..
They argue the merits of one OVER the other and that's a waste of time.
You want to win a war, don't play games with.. Attack it from every angle you can think of... But NOOOOOOOOOOOOO,,, Cut Spending and that will fix it all..... Gheesh..
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What do you think waste is?
It's spending.
There is waste in every department at every level of government. I would bet that a minimum of 25% of every dollar spent by the federal government is wasted. That's a lot of money.
You like Ron Paul, right? He's a NO tax increases under any circumstances guy. He believes that we can get the budget under control without increasing taxes. I have seen a plan that says that we can just cut spending by 1% per year for 7 straight years and by year 7 we are no longer deficit spending. If we do that, and cut a little deeper into the waste, we can also start paying down debt. It just takes the will to start.
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The wealthy already pay a hugely disproportionate amount of FIT. What percentage of total FIT do you think would be fair for the top 10% of wage earners to pay? Seriously, what is fair?
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