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This Mack is a ProBowler is just crap btw....1st of all, being voted into the ProBowl means...well, not much since it'S a popularity contest and with OL it goes like this: Top 50 pick? check...a RB with great numbers? check = ProBowl...it's a joke
That said Mack was a 2nd alternate PBowler, which means he was voted 3rd or even 4th best AFC C by fans ....Im sure the same guys who dismissed DA's ProBowl appearnace are now quick to name Mack a ProBowler, lol...me? I could care less for both...Mack is a good NFL C right now, but not elite yet...you act as if he is a Top3 guy already...he isn't...he has a good chance of getting there but he still has some holes in pass pro
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This Mack is a ProBowler is just crap btw....1st of all, being voted into the ProBowl means...well, not much since it'S a popularity contest and with OL it goes like this: Top 50 pick? check...a RB with great numbers? check = ProBowl...it's a joke
That said Mack was a 2nd alternate PBowler, which means he was voted 3rd or even 4th best AFC C by fans ....Im sure the same guys who dismissed DA's ProBowl appearnace are now quick to name Mack a ProBowler, lol...me? I could care less for both...Mack is a good NFL C right now, but not elite yet...you act as if he is a Top3 guy already...he isn't...he has a good chance of getting there but he still has some holes in pass pro
Do you have any concept of how the PB voting even works?
From your statements I'm guessing no!
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Don't hurt your elbow trying to reach... for a guy to go to the Pro Bowl in his 2nd year is pretty impressive. Lots of centers, lots of mid-1st round picks in general DON'T go to the PB.... 
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Aug. 29, 2011 12:29 p.m. - by Marty Gitlin - Browns' Ward working hard to return to practice
Coach Pat Shurmur said S T.J. Ward (hamstring) is “increasing his workload behind the scenes quite a bit” and should be back at practice soon. The return of Ward is critical to the success of a secondary that lacks depth of talent. Browns RapidReports
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Ugh... I read that as "Browns | Several players injured practicing"
I did too at first.
Also, if they are injured, then they wouldn't be practicing. Title should read: "Several players upgraded from injured to hurt"
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God bless you for interrupting this pissing match that belongs in the tailgate IMO...where are the moderators?
I have come here for three days looking for camp talk and all I get is Django's redundant blabbering about how he is a draft guru and Mack was a wasted pick..........blah blah blah.
Now, I am excited to see Usama finally suiting up. We only have a couple weeks to get him up to speed.
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Now, I am excited to see Usama finally suiting up. We only have a couple weeks to get him up to speed.
He maybe too far behind to be ready for week one.
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According to the Akron Beacon-Journal, rookie Greg Little is "inconsistent, lacks focus, and drops too many passes" in Browns practice. Beat writer Nate Ulrich concedes that Little "appears to be the most talented receiver on the roster," but the rookie's error-prone ways may explain his immediate demotion when Mohamed Massaquoi (foot) returned to practice Monday. If Massaquoi stays healthy, Little may open the season as a fourth receiver with Jordan Norwood and Brian Robiskie higher on the depth chart. http://www.ohio.com/news/top-stories/nat...ksEnabled=falseExactly why I didn't like the pick...he has some Braylon to him
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Just wanna point out that Levitre has probably lost his starting job, and Loadholt sucks. Unger hasn't been very good either.
I'm a big Mack fan, but he wasn't a "great" pick. He was a good pick. If you draft a center in the first round, he should be pretty damn good. And Mack is.
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According to the Akron Beacon-Journal, rookie Greg Little is "inconsistent, lacks focus, and drops too many passes" in Browns practice.
Beat writer Nate Ulrich concedes that Little "appears to be the most talented receiver on the roster," but the rookie's error-prone ways may explain his immediate demotion when Mohamed Massaquoi (foot) returned to practice Monday. If Massaquoi stays healthy, Little may open the season as a fourth receiver with Jordan Norwood and Brian Robiskie higher on the depth chart.
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Exactly why I didn't like the pick...he has some Braylon to him
That's precisely why I didn't like the pick either.
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Levitre has started every game since entering the league, including the 3 preseason games this season....wherever you've heard that he loses his job hasn't paid close attention to the Bills...their OL sucks, but Levitre was a decent G when I've seen him Unger and Loadholt also have started every game since day 1...Loadholt is a run blocker 1st but most RTs are..that's why they're RTs....Unger was injured last year and missed all but 1 game FWIW, both Levitre and Loadholt made the 2009 All-Rookie team along with Mack: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2010-01-14/sporting-news-2009-nfl-all-rookie-teamI take them over Robo any day
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According to the Akron Beacon-Journal, rookie Greg Little is "inconsistent, lacks focus, and drops too many passes" in Browns practice.
Beat writer Nate Ulrich concedes that Little "appears to be the most talented receiver on the roster," but the rookie's error-prone ways may explain his immediate demotion when Mohamed Massaquoi (foot) returned to practice Monday. If Massaquoi stays healthy, Little may open the season as a fourth receiver with Jordan Norwood and Brian Robiskie higher on the depth chart.
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Exactly why I didn't like the pick...he has some Braylon to him
That's precisely why I didn't like the pick either.
WOW...Droppin' a Rook to a 4 Receiver after not even playing for a full year in College...
And droppin' em' behind MoMass...Robo...Norwood???...Then comes Little???
Last time I counted...That was FOUR???...Where's that leave Cribbs???
Ulrich;s a boner... 
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Is Cribbs back practicing yet? (I don't recall)
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Cleveland Browns WRs Joshua Cribbs (hamstring) and Jordan Norwood (knee), FS Usama Young (hamstring) and FS T.J. Ward (hamstring) are participating in practice Monday, Aug. 29.
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We'll see what happens when the season starts. That will say a lot about how the team views young Mr Little.
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This writer is clueless. From what Little has done so far on the field in the games, he is far from inconsistent. I think this writer is using old news from the start of camp. Mo Mass always has been considered the #1 guy, Robo and Cribbs are the 2 and 3. Norwood is coming on after being on the PS last year. Little is a green rookie who hasn't played inalmost two years now. IMO, this story is a pitiful attempt to dis an up and coming rookie for no reason.. 
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http://wgr550.com/Bills--Levitre-Focused-on-Getting-Job-Back/9034669?pid=59452
I guess a Buffalo radio station is clueless. I have watched a ton of Loadholt, and he is not just a run blocker first. He is awful in the pass game. His feet are terribly slow and his run blocking isn't even very good.
And this is coming from someone who wanted him in the draft.
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Your link pretty much says that Levitre is still the starter and that Rhinehart had a great camp and thus got soem action with the ones...way to stirr this up..I've seen Levitre play and he's pretty decent, he can play any position along the OL...wanna bet he ends up starting every game he's healthy...again?
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This writer is clueless. From what Little has done so far on the field in the games, he is far from inconsistent. I think this writer is using old news from the start of camp.
Mo Mass always has been considered the #1 guy, Robo and Cribbs are the 2 and 3. Norwood is coming on after being on the PS last year. Little is a green rookie who hasn't played inalmost two years now. IMO, this story is a pitiful attempt to dis an up and coming rookie for no reason..
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I thought that Little has looked pretty good considering he hasn't played football in two years. I think he has a couple of first downs and a TD in limited duty.
He is the greenest of our WR's so I guess you could say that he has to start at the bottom to work his way up to the top. That's a no brain'er.
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I have come here for three days looking for camp talk and all I get is Django's redundant blabbering about how he is a draft guru and Mack was a wasted pick..........blah blah blah
Seriously. It's going on in TWO different threads. This one and the one about cuts around the league. . . Unfortunately, plenty are firing back, so it's not just you, Django . . .
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I have come here for three days looking for camp talk and all I get is Django's redundant blabbering about how he is a draft guru and Mack was a wasted pick..........blah blah blah
Seriously. It's going on in TWO different threads. This one and the one about cuts around the league. . . Unfortunately, plenty are firing back, so it's not just you, Django . . .
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I wouldn't be too worried about Little right now. He was very fortunate to get reps he wouldn't normally have gotten had Mo-Mass been healthy. Shurmur & Co. obviously know their starters are Mo-Mass, Robo, Cribbs, then Norwood/Little, depending on need and position. He may be a little dropsie in camp, but he's done nothing but catch balls in the games. He'll get his shots.
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We can play the woulda/coulda game with any draft pick ..... but in the end, the question is this:
Without regard to their actual position in the draft, and regardless of the position they play, are they an effective player in the NFL?
I've never had a problem with Mack as a pick, but rather what got us to him.
We had the #5 pick, and came away with Alex Mack, David Veikune, James Davis, Brett Ratliff, Kenyon Coleman, Abe Elam and Coye Francis.
We may as well have just taken Mack at #5, which, despite his Pro Bowl pedigree, does not equate into a successful first round in my eyes.
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We all know Mangini had no business making trades and running the draft.
But those are two different subjects. Mack was a solid pick at 21, regardless of who selected him. Even a blind squirrel can stumble across an acorn.
Don't conflate the issue.
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We all know Mangini had no business making trades and running the draft.
But those are two different subjects. Mack was a solid pick at 21, regardless of who selected him. Even a blind squirrel can stumble across an acorn.
Don't conflate the issue.
Yeah the biggest part of that draft I hated was what we were getting back in return for those trades.
We were getting 6th rounders to allow teams to move up 15 slots, and then in the same draft you had the Patriots getting 4th rounders to allow teams to move up 3 slots. (I might be exaggerating a little) But that angered me most, more than who we got with those picks, by comparing to what other teams were receiving in their trades.
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Cleveland Browns' Mike Adams isn't about to give up safety spot without a fight: 'I welcome all challenges' Published: Monday, August 29, 2011, 7:59 PM Updated: Monday, August 29, 2011, 8:01 PM By Tony Grossi, The Plain Dealer r"Every year I've been in the league a team brings someone to replace Mike Adams," says the Browns' veteran defensive back, who is determined to start at free safety in the Sept. 11 season opener against Cincinnati. "But it's hard to replace Mike Adams." BEREA, Ohio -- The only battle for a starting position on the Browns' defense heated up on Monday when Usama Young practiced in full uniform for the first time in 2 1/2 weeks and Mike Adams vowed not to give up the job. Since Young has been out so long after coming aboard via free agency, his return -- albeit only in individual drills -- was the focus of much attention. With strong safety T.J. Ward also returning from his own hamstring injury, reporters converged immediately on the two projected starters. In the background, Adams didn't so much seethe as prepare his thoughts. When he entered the circle of news-starved media, Adams delivered an opening statement with more passion and sincerity than has been heard all summer at Browns camp. "This is my eighth year in the league, so don't act surprised that I'm starting," Adams began. "Everybody here who's acting surprised that I'm starting or I'm getting an opportunity to play, I want you to understand that, if you have any questions. "You new guys, go check my film and see what I've done in the past and you guys will see that I work my butt off and I think I deserve it and I'm going to keep working my butt off to keep this spot. I'm letting you guys know that I'm working hard every day and I go out there to make plays. "Everybody who thinks we need a free safety, thinks we need somebody else, that's fine. I welcome all challenges. I compete every play, day in, day out, everybody bring it, anybody bring it. I'm pushing it to the limit. I'm not making it easy on any coaches to make a decision. "Right now, unfortunately, [Young] got hurt. Right now, I'm the starter. That's how I'm going to approach Cincy [on Sept. 11] and the next game and the next game after that. Everybody knows me knows I go hard. And that's the way it is." Don't confuse Adams' comments with anything other than sheer competitiveness. He entered the NFL in 2004 as an undrafted free agent from the University of Delaware -- not exactly a football powerhouse. He made the San Francisco 49ers on special teams, and then started 18 of his next 30 games at free safety and cornerback. But since joining the Browns in 2007, Adams has been typecast as a special teamer and emergency fill-in in the secondary. His versatility to play hard at five positions -- either safety, cornerback, nickel and anywhere on special teams -- is both a blessing and a curse. Frankly, Adams is tired of being passed over, and he's earned the right to say so. "Every year it's like, 'Oh, we need a free safety.' And everybody forgets about Mike Adams," he said. "Everybody forgets that's what I play. That's what I do. I don't want to be that guy who's like, 'OK, he's not good enough to start, but he's good enough to start when somebody gets hurt.' No, I can play the game. "I never really honed in on one position. Nobody ever told me to just play cornerback. Some of my best games have been at cornerback. I've had great games at safety. Two years ago at Cincy, I had my best game at nickel. If you do a whole lot of things good, it's hard to do one thing great. And I think that's where I get undervalued. I don't want to say under-appreciated. I think I'm appreciated because people respect the fact I do different things." Maybe this is the year Adams realizes his potential as an every-game starter. It's almost like a perfect storm is brewing for that to happen. First, there was the injury to Young. He believes he will be practicing regularly prior to the opener. But he will need time before he catches up to his new team and defensive system. The other thing in Adams' favor is that coordinator Dick Jauron divides his safety roles truly as strong safety (closer to the line of scrimmage) and free safety (deep in pass coverage). Eric Mangini wanted his safeties to be interchangeable and play both positions, perhaps from one down to the next. Instead of a jack of all trades, he can be the master of one. "I still can play corner, nickel, dime and the strong safety with no problem," he said. "That's the beauty of it. I'm just at free safety." For his part, Young expressed frustration with his injury situation and his task now of having to play himself into a starting spot that at one time was reserved for him. He maintains a positive attitude, always smiling, and is determined to rightfully win the job over the haul of a long season. If he does that, Young will have to be a better player than Adams -- which is not going to be an easy because Adams, as you can tell, has the heart of a lion. "I welcome all competition," Adams said. "Every year I've been in the league a team brings someone to replace Mike Adams. But it's hard to replace Mike Adams. There's not many Mike Adamses in the league. They should have a Mike Adams award." web page
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I think Adam's been chattin' with Little too much...Earl that is... 
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I don't know that coming out and saying so in the media is going to change anything for the better.
Hey Mike ... Let your play speak for itself!
I can sympathize with his plight, but this just makes him look selfish imo.
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Well, it may come off that way, but really what I think we have here is a guy that has played 8 years and to date, I've always been comfortable knowing he's there if a starter goes down.
He's a solid guy that plays hard. I understand he wants to start.. I get that.
The real issue may arise if he doesn't get picked to start.. Will he pout and pitch a fit, or will he settle into whatever role he's given.. if he does the latter, I have no problem with him..
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That last sentence did come off a little "professional wrasslin'" to me.
However, I would suppose that Mike Adams doesn't get his name in the paper too often ...... so if he can see it 4 times in one sentence ....... 
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Mo Mass always has been considered the #1 guy, Robo and Cribbs are the 2 and 3. Norwood is coming on after being on the PS last year. Little is a green rookie who hasn't played inalmost two years now. IMO, this story is a pitiful attempt to dis an up and coming rookie for no reason..
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I thought that Little has looked pretty good considering he hasn't played football in two years. I think he has a couple of first downs and a TD in limited duty.
He is the greenest of our WR's so I guess you could say that he has to start at the bottom to work his way up to the top. That's a no brain'er.
I agree too. I think Little is basically Cribbs backup at this point. A guy we want to get on the field and create some mismatches, but still needs to learn what to do in order to get those mismatches.
Hopefully, MoMass, Robiskie and Cribbs are all healthy when the season starts so that we can really see what we have in this new offense. Then, we can start to look further down our depth chart if we need to.
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I wanted Loadholt as well, I was pretty PO'd that we took Veikune over him.
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I have no problem with Mike Adams stepping up and laying claim to the free safety position. The guy is basically the Rodney Dangerfield of the Cleveland Browns, he gets no respect. Despite no respect, I thought he has been the most consistent player in our secondary for some time. Hell I thought he outplayed Brodney Pool and Elam at free safety.
Now this guy from New Orleans comes in and the media annoints him the next big thing at free safety when in all honesty, he was nothing more than a 3rd string backup for the Saints. I think he was just making sure everyone including the coaching staff, didnt forget who Mike Adams was.
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I actually like Mike Adams a great deal. I think that he's a talented guy ..... and extremely valuable to the team. He has shown that he can play both Safety and CB, and play them well.
He has as many tackles as a lot of starters around the league do. He had 69 tackles 2 years ago, and 45 last year.
He plays his ass off on special teams. He plays well no matter when they throw him on th field. He is an excellent nickel/dime guy. I'm happy that he's getting his chance.
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exactly...I dont know why anyone could look at that article in any kind of negative light.
This is Mike Adams saying that he has a starting spot for the first time in his life and hes going to do every single thing humanly possible to keep it. He's been asked to do so many things, now he feels he has a chance to do one thing, and hes going to do that one thing better than hes done anything in his life. and hes going to work his tail off to make sure hes the best safety on the team.
Thats not even confidence, thats competetiveness. Thats the best personal article ive read in quite awhile about us. Too much company line, this is a guy who wants to earn a starting spot. He hasnt been annointed, he hasnt been handed anything ever, and hes got his hands on something and he doesnt want to let go. Kudos to Mike Adams and I hope he keeps the spot and succeed and has a Jarius Byrd type season for us.
Mike Adams has that potential i think to be a perfectly good FS. He's fantastic in coverage (although a little short), he's tough as nails, and he can read a play. Thats perfect for the free safety spot. All he has to do is get comfortable playing it and i think he will take off. His comfortability with everyone in our secondary i think makes him an even better fit. Then Usama can spell him and when its likely he'll get matched up with a taller player, Usama can handle it and we will do just fine.
Question though. Is Eric Hagg a FS or SS? Because if we dont have a backup SS? who will do it?
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Question though. Is Eric Hagg a FS or SS? Because if we dont have a backup SS? who will do it?
He was listed on the depth chart at SS, so I'm thinking it may come down to Hagg or Ventrone, behind Ward, but Ventrone could also make for ST's if we keep more DB's.
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