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Oh look a ProBowl Center cut and another one still a FA (O'Hara)..yeah, C have tremendous value, lol
O'Hara is 34.
Gurode is 33.
but that has nothing to do with it obviously..
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With Pinkston holding down one guard spot and Lauvio holding down the other, that's a serious lack of experience on the Oline.. The thought of that scares me a little.. And that's not mentioning that Pashos is scary to begin with (regarding injuries)
Guards play in short areas though. They have simpler responsibilities, and the mental and physical challenges are less than at Center or Tackle. That's why you'll often see guys who will later play at T or C play Guard in their rookie years.
I think that Pinkston has an NFL body right now. I think that he can pick up enough to play Guard well. Lauvoa should be good to go in his 2nd year. I think that we'll be OK. I also agree that I would just as soon get them both ready to go from the start. If they work out, then we only need a capable RT to have a dynamite OL.
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I think its interesting...through reading other threads. That when we traded back with the Falcons from 6 to 21, we got a first rounder and Phil Taylor and we're talking about this being the greatest trade of cleveland draft history and when Mangini traded back and got a 2nd rounder and a bevy of players that started for the team.
Not trying to pry...but we bashed one (because the 2nd round drafts picks werent good) and are lauding another...
when both took a player in the trenches, and added players through additional picks.
I think the complaint was about who we got in the trade...
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Guards play in short areas though. They have simpler responsibilities, and the mental and physical challenges are less than at Center or Tackle. That's why you'll often see guys who will later play at T or C play Guard in their rookie years.
Or a Tackle moving inside later in his career (ie: Ryan Tucker)
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Father time and injuries catch up with everyone.... O'Hara and Gurode are 34 and 33 respectively.
The Rams let Orlando Pace walk.... does that mean left tackles have no value?
Absolutely.
Seahawks doubled-down on that fact by letting Walter Jones walk. Oh, sure, they staged a "retirement" to protect his ego, but it's a clear statement that OLine is overrated.
Browns is the Browns
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I say we nix the O'line completely, In my flag football league we just had somone, not nessecarily a "center" snap the ball to the QB, he would then block for him.
And on either side of him where to guys guarding his left and right, but they weren't nessecarily called "guards"..
Then to their open sides we had two other guys blocking so the QB wouldn't get tackle'd, so they can replace the "tackles"
There... Perfect...
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Oh look a ProBowl Center cut and another one still a FA (O'Hara)..yeah, C have tremendous value, lol
O'Hara is 34.
Gurode is 33.
but that has nothing to do with it obviously..
Gurode and O'Hara were 2010 ProBowlers...I don't know any LT that was cut or still a FA 1 year after being in the PB...O.Pace even got another fat contract with the Bears 4 years after his last PB at 34yo...C have little value is still the way it's looking...sure, they got older and aren't as good....thanks for making my point...a PB-C that hast lost some in performance quickly becomes dime a dozen...there just isn't as much a drop of at this position to make a significant impact
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What an absolute bust. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/29/bears-give-up-on-gholston/#commentsBears give up on Gholston Posted by Mike Florio on August 29, 2011, 1:21 PM EDT Defensive end Vernon Gholston, the sixth overall pick in the 2008 draft, got three years to prove himself in New York. He failed. Gholston got roughly three weeks to prove himself in Chicago. He failed. The Bears have announced that Gholston has been waived. If/when he clears waivers, he’ll become a free agent. The Bears also have waived center J.C. Brignone, defensive tackle Tank Tyler, and quarterback Trevor Vittatoe. It remains to be seen whether anyone else gives Gholston a chance. Either way, he’ll go down as one of the all-time great draft busts, a workout warrior who parlayed a chiseled physique and a dominating performance against Michigan’s Jake Long into the kind of oversized contract that top-10 draft picks no longer will get.
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Oh look a ProBowl Center cut and another one still a FA (O'Hara)..yeah, C have tremendous value, lol
O'Hara is 34.
Gurode is 33.
but that has nothing to do with it obviously..
Gurode and O'Hara were 2010 ProBowlers...I don't know any LT that was cut or still a FA 1 year after being in the PB...O.Pace even got another fat contract with the Bears 4 years after his last PB at 34yo...C have little value is still the way it's looking...sure, they got older and aren't as good....thanks for making my point...a PB-C that hast lost some in performance quickly becomes dime a dozen...there just isn't as much a drop of at this position to make a significant impact
If Clay Matthews Jr. isn't an All-Pro LBer then 75% of people that complain about picking Alex Mack have no argument...
Would it be nice to have Clay? Sure, But I can sleep at night without him in B&O, because I actually enjoy having a good to great offensive line...
You apparently don't think it's important...
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IF they have such little value, why did both of them get big deals a few years ago?
More and more often, big name players get cut because their deals get bigger and they get older...or they have more pre-existing injuries.
As players age, they become more of a risk. The Cowboys had a kid that looked good for them in place of Gurode. So they figure now is the time. There's probably more than a couple Cowboys fans that are unimpressed with the move.
I just don't get your argument.....but thats nothing new.
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Bears give up on Gholston
Posted by Mike Florio on August 29, 2011, 1:21 PM EDT
Defensive end Vernon Gholston, the sixth overall pick in the 2008 draft, got three years to prove himself in New York. He failed.
Gholston got roughly three weeks to prove himself in Chicago.
He failed.
The Bears have announced that Gholston has been waived. If/when he clears waivers, he’ll become a free agent.
The Bears also have waived center J.C. Brignone, defensive tackle Tank Tyler, and quarterback Trevor Vittatoe.
It remains to be seen whether anyone else gives Gholston a chance. Either way, he’ll go down as one of the all-time great draft busts, a workout warrior who parlayed a chiseled physique and a dominating performance against Michigan’s Jake Long into the kind of oversized contract that top-10 draft picks no longer will get.
I would still bring this guy in for depth.....
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I guess theres ALWAYS that chance the "light turns on" somewhere new...right?
.....right?
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The Steelers must have no clue either.
In 2010, they took a Center at 18 overall. (Pouncey)
They took another years ago in the 2nd round at #44 overall. (Dawson)
They obviously don't know how to put together Super Bowl teams ....... because you certainly can't get there drafting Centers high ......
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Bears give up on Gholston
Posted by Mike Florio on August 29, 2011, 1:21 PM EDT
Defensive end Vernon Gholston, the sixth overall pick in the 2008 draft, got three years to prove himself in New York. He failed.
Gholston got roughly three weeks to prove himself in Chicago.
He failed.
The Bears have announced that Gholston has been waived. If/when he clears waivers, he’ll become a free agent.
The Bears also have waived center J.C. Brignone, defensive tackle Tank Tyler, and quarterback Trevor Vittatoe.
It remains to be seen whether anyone else gives Gholston a chance. Either way, he’ll go down as one of the all-time great draft busts, a workout warrior who parlayed a chiseled physique and a dominating performance against Michigan’s Jake Long into the kind of oversized contract that top-10 draft picks no longer will get.
I would still bring this guy in for depth.....
Depth at....equipment manager? Waterboy?
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Putting away the blocking sleds.
That probably takes some strength, and he is a big, strong guy. He just has no clue how to play football.
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Posted by Mike Foorio on August 29, 2011, 1:21 PM EDT
Defensive end Vernon Gholston, the sixth overall pick in the 2008 draft, got three years to prove himself in New York. He failed.
Gholston got roughly three weeks to prove himself in Chicago.
He failed.
The Bears have announced that Gholston has been waived. If/when he clears waivers, he’ll become a free agent.
The Bears also have waived center J.C. Brignone, defensive tackle Tank Tyler, and quarterback Trevor Vittatoe.
It remains to be seen whether anyone else gives Gholston a chance. Either way, he’ll go down as one of the all-time great draft busts, a workout warrior who parlayed a chiseled physique and a dominating performance against Michigan’s Jake Long into the kind of oversized contract that top-10 draft picks no longer will get.
I would still bring this guy in for depth.....
Depth at....equipment manager? Waterboy?
I have no clue what happened to this guy, but I remember him being a good player. is it him, coaching? I have no clue as I havnt keep up with him, but leauge min...and depth he is worth a look. He obviously had talent or wouldnt of been a first rounder....so I wonder what is really wrong with him.
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We do play Miami this year...
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He obviously had talent or wouldnt of been a first rounder....so I wonder what is really wrong with him.
Ryan Leaf, Tony Mandarich, Audrey Bruce....and the list goes on. (And no, I will not include Tim Couch)
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He obviously had talent or wouldnt of been a first rounder....so I wonder what is really wrong with him.
Ryan Leaf, Tony Mandarich, Audrey Bruce....and the list goes on. (And no, I will not include Tim Couch)
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Say what you want about Couch but with this team he would be a top 5 QB. I dont see what it would hurt to bring him in to kick the tires and see what the deal is with him. He would come super cheap at this point
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He obviously had talent or wouldnt of been a first rounder....so I wonder what is really wrong with him.
Ryan Leaf, Tony Mandarich, Audrey Bruce....and the list goes on. (And no, I will not include Tim Couch)
Some guys just never adjust to the pro game.
Say what you want about Couch but with this team he would be a top 5 QB. I dont see what it would hurt to bring him in to kick the tires and see what the deal is with him. He would come super cheap at this point
Are you being serious? Let's ignore the PR NIGHTMARE, and look at the facts...
...Nevermind.. You can't be serious...
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Kicking the tires on Gholston would mean cutting someone who might still be more of an unknown. It's like chosing between a car you know doesn;t run versus the car that might be able run.
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He obviously had talent or wouldnt of been a first rounder....so I wonder what is really wrong with him.
Ryan Leaf, Tony Mandarich, Audrey Bruce....and the list goes on. (And no, I will not include Tim Couch)
Some guys just never adjust to the pro game.
Say what you want about Couch but with this team he would be a top 5 QB. I dont see what it would hurt to bring him in to kick the tires and see what the deal is with him. He would come super cheap at this point
Are you being serious? Let's ignore the PR NIGHTMARE, and look at the facts...
...Nevermind.. You can't be serious...
sorry I didnt put a comma in there I was talking about Gholston still haha
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Titans cut former starter Jovan Haye Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 29, 2011, 11:39 AM EDT There haven’t been a lot of surprises in the first list of cuts provided by teams. The Titans provided one on Monday, when they cut defensive tackle Jovan Haye and eight others, according to Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean. Haye has started 46 games over the last four years, two of those years played for Tennessee. He ran with the starters during camp. Tennessee also let go safety Nick Schommer, a seventh round in 2009 by Tennessee. The other six who met the Turk: quarterback Brett Ratliff, fullback Patrick Hill, receiver Owen Spencer, long snapper John Stokes, punter Chad Cunningham and linebackers Kevin Malast and Jonathan Cornell. Patriots cut James Sanders Posted by Michael David Smith on August 29, 2011, 1:39 PM EDT James Sanders is out in New England. The Patriots informed Sanders today that he’s being cut, his agent Gary Uberstine told Adam Schefter of ESPN. Sanders started at safety for last week’s preseason loss to the Lions, when the Patriots’ secondary was picked apart by Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford. Sanders played in 15 games for the Patriots last season, starting nine and intercepting three passes.
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Jovan Haye was actually on the Browns back in 06 ... but I don't remember him seeing any action. He had on really good year in Tampa, but has really been nothing special other than that. Maybe we can bring Ratliff back.  lol
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The new regime never gave Haye much of a chance as they try to bulk up their interior. The Titans drafted three defensive linemen and Haye was set to make $6.7 million over the next two years. He'll get another shot as a veteran that can rush the passer.
Here's a guy I would def look to sign for depth
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Buccaneers | Ashton Youtoby released Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:17:41 -0700 The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have announced they have released CB Ashton Youboty. http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz1WRsKfeJ5
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In 2010, they took a Center at 18 overall. (Pouncey)
They took another years ago in the 2nd round at #44 overall. (Dawson)
They obviously don't know how to put together Super Bowl teams ....... because you certainly can't get there drafting Centers high ......
You must have missed the part where I said it makes sense for good teams who have only few pieces missing...Steelers needed a C and were set almost anywhere else...also, I was very happy they drafted this guy as he's VERY overrated...and a C...yeah their pass pro looked so much better last season, lol...Steelers are on the decline with some poorer drafts lately...they still live off of that Roethli gift offensively and Pola on D...they hit the jackpot with those...I'm sorry to break the news: but a ProBowl C doesn't have the same jackpot impact although being 1 of the best at his position...see? that's what I mean with value..or is anyone going to tell me Mack has as much impact as Roethli or Pola?
You guys just don't get that I don't diss Mack...I diss the choice because of value...you don't get the concept, I get it by now...you think it was a good choice, I don't...it's ok, let's move on
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I really like that we have Mack, now, but when we took him I just didn't get it because we had Fraley already on the roster at the time and he had done quite well for us.
We could (should) have just re-signed him and then we'd have had that 1st round pick to add talent at a position of actual need.
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Patriots released CB Jonathan Wilhite, LS Matt Katula, FB Garrett Mills, DL Kade Weston, K Chris Koepplin, and DB Malcolm Williams.
Mills was trying to make the team as an undersized H-back, but never had a realistic shot. He doesn't have an NFL position. Wilhite follows Terrence Wheatley out the door a year later; both were top-four round cornerback picks in the 2008 draft, and neither panned out. Darius Butler looks safe for now.
Wilhite could be worth a look as 4th/5th CB and slot insurance should Skrine fail
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Had never heard of Wilhite. Seems like he got some decent playing time way back when and his measureables coming out of college were pretty damn good.
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Patriots released S James Sanders.
It's a mild surprise as Sanders started next to Brandon Meriweather in Saturday's third preseason game and recorded nine starts a year ago. But the six-year veteran struggled badly against the run last year and Patrick Chung is ready to roll as the starter. With a $2.8 million base salary, keeping Sanders around to battle Sergio Brown for the third safety job didn't make much sense.
Another guy we could bring in
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Yeah, but Mack is now going into his 3rd season as a Pro Bowler, and Fraley is a 33 year old backup who saw little, if any, action last year. He wasn't even on the active roster for the entire season with the Rams.
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The Ravens waived tackle Oniel Cousins on Saturday, giving up on the 2008 third-round pick.
The Browns gladly gave Cousins a new home.
We’ve confirmed that the Browns have secured Cousins’ rights via the league’s waivers system. No other team submitted a claim for Cousins, who appeared in every game last season for Baltimore.
The move was first reported by Aaron Wilson of Scout.com.
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He was drafted to play OT for them and really didn't workout. Yanda's injury gave them a chance to work him at RG, but end the end he was waived.
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The Ravens waived tackle Oniel Cousins on Saturday, giving up on the 2008 third-round pick.
The Browns gladly gave Cousins a new home.
We’ve confirmed that the Browns have secured Cousins’ rights via the league’s waivers system. No other team submitted a claim for Cousins, who appeared in every game last season for Baltimore.
The move was first reported by Aaron Wilson of Scout.com.
Cousins, who couldn’t survive the cuts from 90 to 80 in Baltimore, now must quickly persuade the Browns that he should survive the cuts from 80 to 53.
My heart sank when I read this headline...I thought it meant Terry Cousins.
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My heart sank when I read this headline...I thought it meant Terry Cousins.
I was thinking the same thing!  
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