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www.KFFL.comEagles | Michael Vick agrees to huge deal Mon, 29 Aug 2011 16:59:43 -0700 The Philadelphia Eagles have agreed to a six-year deal with QB Michael Vick that is worth $100 million, including $40 million in guaranteed money.
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Mon, 29 Aug 2011 16:59:43 -0700
The Philadelphia Eagles have agreed to a six-year deal with QB Michael Vick that is worth $100 million, including $40 million in guaranteed money.
Trading Kolb will be Reid's downfall...Watch...
Over/Under for games Vick plays???...8...He still has no clue what a "Pocket" is...
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Let's hope he makes better decisions with his money this time around .......
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Thats nuts he is not worth it. They think they are going to the SB this year. Not with that Oline.
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Feels like a last-ditch, one little extra spark kind of move. Like the last thing on the check-list was to get his head straight.
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Curious ... isn't he still bankrupt and doesn't he still owe creditors a ton of money? I wonder how much of that contract goes to pay off debts.
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Curious ... isn't he still bankrupt and doesn't he still owe creditors a ton of money? I wonder how much of that contract goes to pay off debts.
That was my thought. I'd guess he doesn't see the lion's share of that bonus.
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$40 million guaranteed? He's worth that to them in merchandise sales alone.
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Good for him. He made a very, very bad choice and it cost him his freedom, reputation and large bank account. He's done everything society and the NFL fan base has expected of him to back to this point. I applaud him.
Hopefully, he's genuinely contrite and he truly is a changed man.
As for this season and his future, I'm not buying. He fell apart last season, physically and mentally. The league learned how to contain him. His talent is still off the charts, and it will be impossible to prevent all the time, but I think he gives up on plays too quick (leave the pocket or chuck it up into coverage). As we've all said, I don't see his body making it through a full season...I KNOW we'll see Vince Young as a starter for a game or two.
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Good for him. He made a very, very bad choice and it cost him his freedom, reputation and large bank account. He's done everything society and the NFL fan base has expected of him to back to this point. I applaud him.
Hopefully, he's genuinely contrite and he truly is a changed man.
As for this season and his future, I'm not buying. He fell apart last season, physically and mentally. The league learned how to contain him. His talent is still off the charts, and it will be impossible to prevent all the time, but I think he gives up on plays too quick (leave the pocket or chuck it up into coverage). As we've all said, I don't see his body making it through a full season...I KNOW we'll see Vince Young as a starter for a game or two.
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Though I don't think he's worth that kind of cash.
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Generally, I have no love for Vick whatsoever. But he did pay his debt to society so I guess that's good
I'll let the Gurus of Football decide if he's worth the money
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This is the first and probably only time you will ever see someone sign TWO $100 million contracts in a NFL career.
Amazing.
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It did?
In Vick's second to last regular season game last year (versus the Giants) he passed for 242 yards and 3 TD's (and a pick) and rushed for 130 yards and a TD.
That doesn't seem very contained.
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j/c... Do I think he's worth the $100mil contract? No. Does it have anything to do with the dog fighting? No. He paid his debt to society, and he has the right to be employed by whoever wishes to employ him. If he was an accountant, no one would say "Oh, he fought dogs, he shouldn't be allowed to work", because that'd be dumb. Being a football player doesn't make it any different. However, I would be upset if it were the Browns, giving a guy $100mil after less than one full season of being the starter. 
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Generally, I have no love for Vick whatsoever. But he did pay his debt to society so I guess that's good
I'll let the Gurus of Football decide if he's worth the money
Vick did what you're suppose to do if you do something illegal.
He served his time. He appears to have learned from the experience. He seems to be a changed, and better man.
I can respect that he managed to make himself a better man.
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I can respect that he managed to make himself a better man.
If that turns out to be the case, I can respect that also....
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Over/Under for games Vick plays???...8...He still has no clue what a "Pocket" is...
playing less than 8 games is always possible when you have a QB that runs.
however, setting an over/under line on Vick at 8 is just silly because it has no basis in history. here are the games he has started in the years he has been the starter for the team (even including last year when he wasn't the starter in week1)
15,4,15,15,16,11
That looks like a good chance that he will play double-digit games and quite possibly the netire season. He has ended up on the IR one time in his career. That is the same number as 'pocket-aware' Tom Brady.
Yes, he has more risk to get hurt, but that risk is incredibly overblown.
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I can respect that he managed to make himself a better man.
If that turns out to be the case, I can respect that also....
Check out "The Michael Vick Project"
I know, it's a TV show, and it's easy to act like a changed man in front of a camera, but I got the feeling that he really was remorseful and is a changed person.
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The league learned how to contain him.
It did?
In Vick's second to last regular season game last year (versus the Giants) he passed for 242 yards and 3 TD's (and a pick) and rushed for 130 yards and a TD.
That doesn't seem very contained.
I think you misinterpreted "league" contained vs. "other teams" contained. The league presented him as a repented guy, worthy of playing again.
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As for this season and his future, I'm not buying. He fell apart last season, physically and mentally. The league learned how to contain him. His talent is still off the charts, and it will be impossible to prevent all the time, but I think he gives up on plays too quick (leave the pocket or chuck it up into coverage). As we've all said, I don't see his body making it through a full season...I KNOW we'll see Vince Young as a starter for a game or two.
Possibly. But then again, the Eagles went into last season with an offense designed around Kolb, not Vick. I wonder how much different, if any, it will be with an offense designed around him instead. With the way that OL looked the other night, I hope they have a lot of roll-outs!
Having said that, I'll be the first to admit I hope he does well. He's my FFL starting QB!!
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Stats are for losers.....that's directed to you AND me. Ha ha ha...have to get that out of the way.
I don't think you can use one game to disprove anything. Here are his averages for the first six and last six games (I threw out Week 4 since he didn't finish the game - only 7 pass attempts and 3 rushes):
Avg Rating 1-6 109.4
Avg Rating 7-12 89.9
Avg Comp % 1-6 62.8
Avg Comp % 7-12 61.3
Avg Yards 1-6 259.8
Avg Yards 7-12 283.7
Avg TDs 1-6 1.8
Avg TDs 7-12 1.8
Avg INTs 1-6 0.0
Avg INTs 7-12 1.2
Avg Rush Atts 1-6 8.7
Avg Rush Atts 7-12 8.8
Avg Rush Yards 1-6 59.7
Avg Rush Yards 7-12 55.5
Avg Rush TDs 1-6 0.8
Avg Rush TDs 7-12 0.8
Avg Fumbles 1-6 0.3
Avg Fumbles 7-12 0.8
Of those 9 stat comparisons, 3 got significantly worse, 5 were about the same and only 1 got better. I would argue he got worse. His INT were crazy worse and that contributed to his poor rating in the 2nd half (compariable). And his fumbles doubled in the 2nd half.
Is that a slam dunk? Meh....but his rating and turnovers got worse. I would think that might suggest the league figured out how to contain him (not stop him).
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Could any of that be because of fatigue late in the season?
I mean it had been 4 years since he played that many games in a season...
I'm not saying it is, but it could be an explanation.
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the problem with stats is that with a small sample size, you can throw off the entire results with 1 outlier. take away that game against Washington and see what difference there is (333yds, 71%, 4TDs, 0INTs, 80yds rushing, 2 rushing TDs) http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/V/VickMi00/gamelog/2010/
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Sure, the slight drop in rating and increase in fumbles might be attributed to injures to the O-line, bad WR routes, divisional games (seeing him a 2nd time around), bad weather or even fatigue. Although, everyone on the field could be fighting fatigue too. Vick also got 4 weeks off to rest and heal.
I still think he's an amazing dynamic talent that can't be stopped.....but we'll see if this season the INT's and fumbles match games 1-6 or games 7-12 from last year.
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Vick getting a $100 million dollar contract kinda makes me cringe. On a couple levels.
1, thats a lot of money for an injury prone guy...
2, For every Mike Vick, who has done something terrible, there are plenty of guys who have done nothing wrong that will NEVER get paid that much ever. I have seen a lot of the Vick things, and it seems like he is contrite and whatnot, but...man, with how people are nowadays...its hard for me to think this is a changed man...especially with how quickly he's returned to the top. I wonder if this will erode the humility that has made him so easy to like since leaving prison.
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additionally, them extending Vick and not doing anything with DeSean Jackson yet cant possibly send a good message to him...and possibly several others on the team.
DeSean Jackson has been as good if not better at his position than Vick has in the past year, but Jackson has been doing it for longer for Philly. And he isnt paid yet?
could be trouble.
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I would be shocked if they didn't tell Desean to wait until they get Vick done first. They have to extend or re-do Desean's deal IMO. I think an announcement will soon be out for him too.
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2, For every Mike Vick, who has done something terrible, there are plenty of guys who have done nothing wrong that will NEVER get paid that much ever.
How many of those plenty can have the same impact of Mike Vick? Not plenty.
This contract isn't about rewarding a bad guy and punishing the good guys. He earned this deal with his play on the field.
On top of that, this isn't a 2nd 100 million dollar contract. It's a $40 million dollar contract. Like 99% of every other NFL contract, they won't get to the fantasy monies later in the deal.
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oh no i understand it completely...its just too bad that more good guys dont have that kinda talent, and i worry about mike vick's humility...it seems he's turned it around...but, money changes things
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Desean is only talented b/c of his speed. If he didn't have his speed.. he would be average in every other area... I could say the same thing for Vick, but he is the guy who gets the ball EVERY snap. QB's get paid, and Philly has a pretty good one in Vick. I think that is a ton of money, but I also thought what we gave Derek Anderson was a ton of money too.. 
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Good point. Was Vick playing so hard to earn his reputation back....or his contract? And now that he has the money back....does he slow down, pack it in or start calling his old buddies again?
I personally think he's a changed man. He didn't just lose his money, reputation and career.....but he lost all those AND had to think about how he lost it inside a jail cell for two years. That's a lot of time to reflect on how stupid you were and how you'll never let yourself be that stupid again.
Outisde of dying, he went as low as he could go. I think that scared him straight.
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i hope so, but color me skeptical...I think it would be a huge letdown if he regressed...not as a player, but as a person
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i hope so, but color me skeptical...I think it would be a huge letdown if he regressed...not as a player, but as a person
I believe Vick will be fine as long as he is in the NFL, it's what happens after that worries me. As he is around his team and has this constant reminder of what he had, how he lost it, and all that it took to get it back... I don't see him regressing but sometime in the future when he retires and the lights aren't on him any more... I don't know, I wish him the best.
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I heard somewhere that if he earns every penny of his 100 million dollar contract... He still wouldn't have enough to pay off all his debt...
He's got people working with him to pay off all his bankruptcies etc.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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So in essence, it's a 32.5 million dollar deal. Not $40 and not $100 million.
I would have liked the NFL to clean up this mess with the recent CBA. Sign contracts that are real.
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I'm sure he'll reach some of his incentives.
Probably end up being a $50-$60mil deal, IMO.
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And really, wouldn't it benefit the NFL and teams if they were honest about the contracts?
Michael Vick signs 6 year, 100 Million Dollar Deal!
Sounds ridiculous to the average joe...
A 5 year 30-40 Mil deal and theres no big news really...
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Take away the dog thing, I wouldn't offer that deal to him.
That is paying him like he's Brees/Brady/Manning.
I don't know anyone that considers him to be in that company.
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