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Well, here's where we get to see true Browns fans.
Our starting guard is going to IR, so our entire season is down the tubes.
You know, instead of saying "ok, that sucks, but what are we going to do about it?"
I wouldn't say the season is down the drain b/c I don't expect much more then 6-8 wins but I do take exception when people who don't wear brown and orange glasses try to predict or talk honestly about the status of the Browns....
Right now the Browns have a MUCH better 1-22 players on the team then they did 3-4 years ago. We are still VERY thin at every position beside TE of true depth....so yes, losing Steinbach is going to hurt...a lot.
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Not to make it sound like I am happy the guy is hurt, but Steiny was over rated....our Ross Verba of guards
Maybe overrated by some (most?) Browns fans but he WAS durable, had smarts and you knew he was going to grade out in the mid-to-high 80's....pro bowl player probably not, but he was definitely no Ross Verba...a solid solid veteran
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Well, here's where we get to see true Browns fans.
Our starting guard is going to IR, so our entire season is down the tubes.
You know, instead of saying "ok, that sucks, but what are we going to do about it?"
So you think your whining about them is better than their whining ? Seriously, what is it preemptive whining ?
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Not to make it sound like I am happy the guy is hurt, but Steiny was over rated....our Ross Verba of guards
Maybe overrated by some (most?) Browns fans but he WAS durable, had smarts and you knew he was going to grade out in the mid-to-high 80's....pro bowl player probably not, but he was definitely no Ross Verba...a solid solid veteran
Yeah, I think that Steinbach was well above Ross Verba. He was solid in every aspect of the game, and had better quickness and feet than Verba ever did.
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So you think your whining about them is better than their whining ?
Pretty much!
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We lost Jeff Faine via trade because we got Bentley and then Bentley went down with an injury and never played a down for us. We basically got someone else's scraps in Frailey and it turned out well.
Last year the Steelers lost like 4 guys including their starting and back up left tackle and plugged in young guys and still made it to the Superbowl.
I'll worry about it when I have cause to. We lost Steinbach.....well we have a young guy to plug in and he will have Thomas and Mack on each side of him helping him out. We will be fine.
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Well, here's where we get to see true Browns fans.
Our starting guard is going to IR, so our entire season is down the tubes.
You know, instead of saying "ok, that sucks, but what are we going to do about it?"
So you think your whining about them is better than their whining ? Seriously, what is it preemptive whining ?
I really hope certain postets on this site aren't as pissy in real life as they are on here.
Anyways Pinkston will fill in adequately. He has the size and athleticism.
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I'm disappointed we lost Steiny.... to say it isn't a drop-off would not be correct IMO. We have to hope someone steps in and plays solid, but he won't be easy to replace.
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Heckert will be watching to see what OL talent becomes available in the final cuts. I would not be surprised to see the Browns make a move to improve the OLine.
I read that Andre Gurode has six teams interested in him but Seattle is expected to have the inside track on signing him due to college connections between Gurode and Seahawk OLine coach, Tom Cable, who coached at Colorado when Gurode played there.
No word on the other 5 teams that were interested.
There will be some talented offensive linemen cut next week and the Browns front office will be faced with a decision on whether to try to sign additional Oline help or go with what we have.
The fact that Heckert signed the Ravens castoff, Oneil Cousins is enough to convince me the Browns front office is interested in improving their OLine talent pool.
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Well then that would make him the 3rd best guard in the league!
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Steinbach Placed on IR By Fred Greetham OBR Browns Reporter Posted Aug 30, 2011 Browns starting left guard Eric Steinbach will be lost for the entire 2011 season. BEREA—The talk of Eric Steinbach having surgery on his ailing back have become a reality. Shurmur said the surgery went well, but Steinbach would be placed on injured reserve and be out for the season. “He’s a guy who was a starter and has played well,” Shurmur said. “We had to make a decision.” Shurmur confirmed that Steinbach was to have had surgery at 10 a.m., while the Browns were practicing. Shurmur said the team had been seeing if his back would respond to treatment, rather than surgery. “We made the decision late in the day (Monday to do surgery),” Shurmur said. “We tried to do treatments.” Rookie Jason Pinkston has been working in his place. “We have guys who can play left guard,” Shurmur said. “(Pinkston) has lined up as the starter. Any time somebody is lining up with the ones, it’s their job to lose.” Shurmur was asked if that meant Pinkston would start in the season opener. “It looks like right now he might be (the starter),” he said. “I wouldn’t presume anything.” Pro Bowl left tackle Joe Thomas knows he will have to break in someone next to him. “It’s definitely disappointing that Eric has to have surgery,” Thomas said.”He has been a large part of the (offensive line’s) success the past four years.” If it’s Pinkston, John Greco, Oniel Cousins or another player, Thomas knows it will be hard to replace Steinbach. “He’s frustrated and disappointed,” Thomas said. “It’s definitely a loss. “It’s a ‘next man up’ situation.” Thomas knows he has his job to do in a game, but he said there are things he can do to help a young player. “The biggest think in the game is to keep his confidence up,” Thomas said. “Remind him if he makes a mistake that it’s a long game and you have to keep your head up.” The Browns claimed offensive lineman Cousins off of waivers from the Ravens. However, Shurmur said that they were planning on claiming him anyway. “We picked up Cousins, who has some experience in the league,” Shurmur said. “We made the decision to claim him when he became available, regardless of (Steinbach’s) status.” Shurmur said that Cousins could play guard and tackle. “He has played right tackle, but he’s been flexible,” Shurmur said. Cousins started training camp as the Ravens’ right tackle, but fell out of favor and he was moved to guard. The Ravens signed Bryant McKinnie and Cousins became expendable. “It came as a big surprise, but this is a business,” Cousins said. “(The Browns) gave me an opportunity and I want to make the most of it. “I’m going to learn from the experience and move forward,” he said. “I’m ready to roll.” Cousins is expected to play right away against the Bears. He doesn’t know if he’ll be at tackle or guard. “I just want to come in and do my best and put my best foot forward and hope for the best,” he said. “I liked to play right tackle when I was in Baltimore, but I’m a versatile player. I’ll do whatever they want me to do.” Cousins (6-foot-4, 315 pounds) was a third-round selection (99th overall) in the 2008 NFL Draft from UTEP. He played in 25 games for the Ravens, including four starts. Cousins is most likely battling for a roster spot with Brandon Braxton, Phil Trautwein, John Greco and Pat Murray. http://cle.scout.com/2/1100781.htmlSays here that Pinkston is penciled-in as the starting LG and Cousins was going to be claimed off waivers even before the Steinbach injury. It appears as if Cousins is seen as a depth signing rather than a potential starter. He still hasn't made the team but the FO had been eyeballing him for a reason. Hey look .... The Yates retirement and the Steinbach injury are done deals.No use crying about it. Steinbach was going to be replaced by a younger player sooner or later, same with Yates. It just turns out it's sooner rather than later.We may be better off in the end. Pinkston has been taking reps at LG anyway and Cousins will get significant playing time against Chicago prolly at RT. Cousins has been through the Rat Birds camp and is in shape at least. http://www.nfl.com/player/onielcousins/1260/profileHere ^ is Cousin's profile. He was a back-up. This looks like the OL; LRT: Thomas LG: Pinkston C: Mack RG: Lauvao RT: Pashos i'm not even going to speculate on the back-ups at this point.
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Heckert will be watching to see what OL talent becomes available in the final cuts. I would not be surprised to see the Browns make a move to improve the OLine.
I read that Andre Gurode has six teams interested in him but Seattle is expected to have the inside track on signing him due to college connections between Gurode and Seahawk OLine coach, Tom Cable, who coached at Colorado when Gurode played there.
No word on the other 5 teams that were interested.
There will be some talented offensive linemen cut next week and the Browns front office will be faced with a decision on whether to try to sign additional Oline help or go with what we have.
The fact that Heckert signed the Ravens castoff, Oneil Cousins is enough to convince me the Browns front office is interested in improving their OLine talent pool.
Our Oline, already thin loses Stienbach and wow, surprise they are already complaining about Pashos, as if that were a surprise. Now we have to sift through the garbage and leave Colt at the mercy of Blitzburg and the rats. Real smart.
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please enlighten us now how drafting Carimi would have stopped Steinbach from having back surgery and leaving our LG spot weaker and/or with less depth.
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Heckert will be watching to see what OL talent becomes available in the final cuts. I would not be surprised to see the Browns make a move to improve the OLine.
I read that Andre Gurode has six teams interested in him but Seattle is expected to have the inside track on signing him due to college connections between Gurode and Seahawk OLine coach, Tom Cable, who coached at Colorado when Gurode played there.
No word on the other 5 teams that were interested.
There will be some talented offensive linemen cut next week and the Browns front office will be faced with a decision on whether to try to sign additional Oline help or go with what we have.
The fact that Heckert signed the Ravens castoff, Oneil Cousins is enough to convince me the Browns front office is interested in improving their OLine talent pool.
Our Oline, already thin loses Stienbach and wow, surprise they are already complaining about Pashos, as if that were a surprise. Now we have to sift through the garbage and leave Colt at the mercy of Blitzburg and the rats. Real smart.
Ya know,, there is no doubt in my mind that the line took a hit today.. no question about it.. But you make it sound as if we are left without any talent at all.
Pashos isn't the worst,, I have a concern as to if he can stay healthy. But I haven't seen a groundswell of complaints about him.. in fact, out side of a few things in the Philly game, he's been pretty good. Pashos always was a solid RT,,, it's his durability that's been questioned...
I swear, you just make stuff up.. for what reason, I just don't know.
Lauvio: Young, inexperienced for sure, but he's been looking pretty good.
Mack: Seriously,, if anyone questions his ability, they need to have thier brain checked.
Pinkston: Ok,, here is the weak link.. but is it really. Is it weak or just inexperienced? Only one way to find out. play him.
Thomas: see the Mack Comment... repeat it here.
Backups aren't exciting me much,, but then, I've not exactly seen them play much.
otherwise, it's just you doing you "Chicken Little' dance.. what's next.. if Fujita gets a hang nail, will you then say, we are doomed at LB?
Wait,, we probably are doomed at LB... 
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Pinkston: Ok,, here is the weak link.. but is it really. Is it weak or just inexperienced? Only one way to find out. play him.
He gave up a sack in his first NFL start, in a preseason game, while making the move from tackle to guard, with no OTS's and all his reps being with 2nd and 3rd team until 10 days before the eagles game. I am amazed Shurmur didn't take him out back and shoot him.
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OL Depth Chart LT: Joe Thomas , Branndon Braxton , Calton Ford LG: Jason Pinkston , Pat Murray C: Alex Mack, Steve Vallos RG: Shawn Lauvao, John Greco , Jarrod Shaw, Oniel Cousins RT: Tony Pashos, Phil Trautwein, Dominic Alford Vallos will likely stick as the back-up to Mack. That leaves 3 other spots open. My crystal ball says Greco, Cousins and a player taken off waivers. 
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LT: Joe Thomas , Branndon Braxton , Calton Ford
LG: Jason Pinkston , Pat Murray
C: Alex Mack, Steve Vallos
RG: Shawn Lauvao, John Greco , Jarrod Shaw, Oniel Cousins
RT: Tony Pashos, Phil Trautwein, Dominic Alford
Vallos will likely stick as the back-up to Mack. That leaves 3 other spots open.
My crystal ball says Greco, Cousins and a player taken off waivers.
Vallos is a liability as a back up because he stinks at OG.
I would keep Murray any day of the week over Vallos.
Greco is in because of his versatility. Braxton and or Cousins will stick, because they play Tackle. Who else makes the final cuts may not be here for long as we will probably bring someone in who's been cut.
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He gave up a sack in his first NFL start, in a preseason game, while making the move from tackle to guard, with no OTS's and all his reps being with 2nd and 3rd team until 10 days before the eagles game. I am amazed Shurmur didn't take him out back and shoot him.
Was that sarcasm?
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 Well the bright side is that everytime Joe attempts to rip on a Browns player for no reason, they play like Hall of Famers. Ham Sandwich on the cover of Madden, Fatso Phil becomes the popular pick for defensive rookie of the year. So if the pattern continues, Pinkston is going to be a beast.
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Browns prepare for life without Eric Steinbach By Steve Doerschuk CantonRep.com staff writer Aug 30, 2011 @ 09:47 PM BEREA — Offensive line was one area where the Browns have been able to keep any jinxes stuffed in the closet. “We’ve been remarkably healthy on the offense line,” left tackle Joe Thomas said. Thomas spoke after valuable left guard Eric Steinbach underwent season-ending back surgery Tuesday. “He’s been a starter here,” Head Coach Pat Shurmur said. “We have some decisions to make.” Rookie Round 5 draft pick Jason Pinkston will make his second straight start at left guard Thursday night in Chicago. Shurmur said Pinkston would start the season against Cincinnati “if the season was starting today,” but that game won’t be played until Sept. 11. It’s a given that General Manager Tom Heckert has explored the trade market for days and will pay rapt attention to the waiver wire. Other options on the current roster include: • John Greco, a third-round pick by the Rams in 2008 who spent the last two years with Shurmur as his offensive coordinator. He dressed for 26 Rams games but started only four of them. • Pat Murray, who has spent time with four NFL teams, including Mike Holmgren’s 2008 Seattle Seahawks, but has never dressed for a real NFL game. • Oniel Cousins, a third-round draft pick in 2008. He started Baltimore’s first preseason games this month before the Ravens cut him. The Browns claimed him, and he practiced in Berea Tuesday. • Shawn Lauvao, a third-round pick last year who has started all three preseason games at right guard. He has the flexibility to move to the left side if the team finds a right guard it likes. One could go on for a bit about what Steinbach isn’t. He’s skinny by NFL standards, “a smaller guard,” to use Thomas’ words. He’ll turn 32 not long after the next Super Bowl, casting doubt on the probability he’ll be around as new Shurmur’s program matures. Not only has Steinbach not helped lead any team to the Super Bowl. He is 0-1 in the playoffs. The Bengals were 35-30 in his four years with them. The Browns have gone 24-40 in his four years with them. Now, the bad news: Steinbach is pretty good. Things could be ugly for a while as the Browns adjust to whomever replaces him. Steinbach’s competence was one reason the team hoped quarterback Colt McCoy’s growing pains wouldn’t hurt so much. Thomas, who has lined up next to Steinbach at left tackle for 62 of the last 64 Browns games, calls it “a big blow.” “He relies on great athleticism and superior technique,” Thomas said, “which is the only way you can get it done as a smaller guard in the NFL.” In the same breath, Thomas said the team must adopt a “next-man-in mentality.” If the next man is Pinkston, Thomas is hopeful. “Pinkston has been impressive so far,” Thomas said. “He’s really intelligent. He’s thoughtful. He has a very good amount of talent.” However, whereas Steinbach has made 125 regular-season NFL starts, the extent of Pinkston’s pro work is three preseason games. Whereas Steinbach has started 62 of the last 64 Browns games at left guard, Pinkston was a Pitt left tackle at this time last year. The 6-foot-6 Steinbach was one of the few guards in the league to play below 300 pounds. Pinkston two inches shorter and at about 15 pounds heavier. McCoy’s security blanket is thinner. “The best thing for Pinkston,” McCoy says, “is that he’s got two Pro Bowlers (Thomas and center Alex Mack) on either side of him. Those guys will really help him and pull him along.” Steinbach started the preseason opener against Green Bay, but his back knocked him out of the following week of practice. Greco replaced Steinbach as the starting left guard on Aug. 19 against Detroit, although Pinkston replaced Greco in the third series, with McCoy and the “ones” still on the field. Pinkston got a chance to start the next game, Thursday night at Philadelphia. Early in the first quarter, defensive tackle Phil Taylor made a strip sack that gave the Browns possession deep in Eagles territory. On the next play, Pinkston was called for holding. Pinkston’s learning curve make Thomas think back to his rookie year, when he started all 16 games. “I made tons of mistakes,” Thomas says. Whereas Thomas had a full offseason to get ready for training camp and was the starter from day 1, though, the lockout wiped out spring practice. He was not one of the offensive linemen attending the Camp Colts” — only Mack and guard Shawn Lauvao did. He has been the starter for less than two weeks. “The biggest thing Alex and I can do for him in the game,” Thomas says, “is help keep his confidence up. Copyright 2011 CantonRep.com. Some rights reserved
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I'd say we're worse. Not by much, but worse.
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I'd say we're worse. Not by much, but worse.
because it's interesting to me and I have some time to kill right now. Also, you will notice Charlie Frye is the QB-starter. He was the starter at this time going into the 2011 season. I'd still give Colt the edge over Derek Anderson.
also note that I gave Watson == Kellen. that was one of the toughest choices but Watson did equal Kellen's production last year and he's a much better blocker to boot. even giving Kellen 4yrs of youth, I think it evens out.
the other tough one was Tucker and Lauvao. I think we are better off for the future with Lauvao than we were with Tucker in 2007, but Tucker gave us some good games and he could stabilize the line when healthy.
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Position 2007 2011 (Edge)
QB Charlie Frye vs. Colt McCoy (2011)
RB Jamal Lewis vs. Peyton Hillis (2011)
FB Lawrence Vickers vs. Owen Marecic (2007)
WR1 Braylon Edwards vs. MoMass (2007)
WR2 JoeJ vs. Robiskie (2007)
TE Kellen Winslow vs. Ben Watson (Draw)
LT Joe Thomas vs. Joe Thomas (2011 - he's not a rookie now)
LG Eric Steinbach vs. Jason Pinkston (2007)
C Hank Fraley vs. Alex Mack (2011)
RG Ryan Tucker vs. Shawn Lauvao (2007)
RT Kevin Shaffer vs. Tony Pashos (2011)
Offense: 5-5-1
DE Robaire Smith vs. Jabaal Sheard (2011)
DE Orpheus Roye vs. Jayme Mitchell/Derrick Robinson? (2007 - hope that's wrong)
DT Ethan Kelly vs. Ahtyba Rubin (2011)
OLB Willie McGinest vs. Scott Fujita (Draw)
ILB D'Qwell Jackson vs. D'Qwell Jackson (Draw??? - health huge here)
OLB Kameron Wimbley vs. Chris Gocong? (2007)
CB1 Eric Wright vs. Joe Haden (2011)
CB2 Leigh Bodden vs. Sheldon Brown (Draw)
SS Sean Jones vs. TJ Ward (2011)
FS Brodney Pool vs. Mike Adams/Usama Young (2007)
3-4 ILB / 4-3 DT Andra Davis vs. Phil Taylor (2011)
Defense: 5-3-2 for 2011
Total: 10-8-3 for 2011
Dang, that is pretty darn close as the 'draws' can go either way and decide it and some of the ones I leaned in one direction could have gone the other way (trying to factor in the 'in August before the season' angle)
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How sad is it that I was surprised when I got to Thomas as being here in both 2007 and 2011... 1 of 2 carry-over starters. DQ shouldn't even really count since he's only played 1/4 of the last two combined season.
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How sad is it that I was surprised when I got to Thomas as being here in both 2007 and 2011... 1 of 2 carry-over starters. DQ shouldn't even really count since he's only played 1/4 of the last two combined season.
I'm not sure if it's crazier that we only have 2 starters from 4 seasons ago or that DQ is one of those 2 guys.
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Dawg...Where r u getting these thoughts from?
It's ALWAYS been when u go on IR...Regardless of WHEN...U r done for the season...
PUP is what u r thinking of...6 weeks eligible to come back...
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I'm not sure if it's crazier that we only have 2 starters from 4 seasons ago or that DQ is one of those 2 guys.
I laughed when I read this. And then I sighed.
Good write-up by the way. The 2007 Browns won games with an offense and a weak schedule.....well, we have a "weak" schedule to start the 2011 season.
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you are welcome to do the write-up on STs, but make sure you include Pontbriand in your ST starters (and Cribbs for KR and PR - that's either 5 or 6 depending on if you count Cribbs twice or not)
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How sad is it that I was surprised when I got to Thomas as being here in both 2007 and 2011... 1 of 2 carry-over starters. DQ shouldn't even really count since he's only played 1/4 of the last two combined season.
Welcome to the merry-go-round. How many guys from this 2011 roster (including coaching staff) do you expect to be starting for us on opening day in 2014? My over-under is 5.
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How sad is it that I was surprised when I got to Thomas as being here in both 2007 and 2011... 1 of 2 carry-over starters. DQ shouldn't even really count since he's only played 1/4 of the last two combined season.
Welcome to the merry-go-round. How many guys from this 2011 roster (including coaching staff) do you expect to be starting for us on opening day in 2014? My over-under is 5.
McCoy
Marecic
Moore (Technically not starting now)
Little
Thomas
Mack
Sheard
Rubin
Taylor
Haden
Ward
Rookies obviously could bust. But that's my list for 2014-15, I also have hope for guys like Pinkston, Luoavo etc. But I didn't list them...
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Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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How sad is it that I was surprised when I got to Thomas as being here in both 2007 and 2011... 1 of 2 carry-over starters. DQ shouldn't even really count since he's only played 1/4 of the last two combined season.
Welcome to the merry-go-round. How many guys from this 2011 roster (including coaching staff) do you expect to be starting for us on opening day in 2014? My over-under is 5.
look at how few 'young' players we had on that 2007 roster. it helps explain things a bit. we have one of the youngest NFL rosters this year, so if we don't have more than 5 starters in 2015 (using the 4yr rule we used above), then this team is an epic failure and it's going to be a ridiculously rough next 2 seasons (at least)
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How sad is it that I was surprised when I got to Thomas as being here in both 2007 and 2011... 1 of 2 carry-over starters. DQ shouldn't even really count since he's only played 1/4 of the last two combined season.
I'm not sure if it's crazier that we only have 2 starters from 4 seasons ago or that DQ is one of those 2 guys.
I admit to being confused over this feeling that DQ isn't solid..
So far, two different regimes, 3 HC's, 3 DC's have said they like him and want him here, yet still, the thought persists that he's not all that and a bag of chips?
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He has never, ever, been an impact player. He has never once been a difference maker on defense. he has never once been a guy that opposing coaches say "We have to gameplan to account for him".
He has been a competent tackler. He generally tackles an opposing player when he is nearby. He does not generally make plays at or behind the LOS. He does not create sacks or turnovers. In 3 almost full seasons, he has 3 sacks. He has 4 INT. He has only forced 1 fumble. He's .... competent. By himself he will not get you beat, but he will never be an intimidator at MLB ..... he will never be a player that opposing coaches or player worry about ..... and he will never be a player who helps a defense go from decent to great. He's OK .... but absolutely nothing special in any way. Frankly I don't see what posters see in him. He's a better story than LB. He kinda reminds me of that LB we had several years ago who busted his nose open every year in camp, and that's how he knew he was ready. He always had a ton of tackles. I think it might have been Wali Ranier. He was competent. He made tackles. He was never a difference maker. Neither is DQ.
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I'm disappointed we lost Steiny.... to say it isn't a drop-off would not be correct IMO. We have to hope someone steps in and plays solid, but he won't be easy to replace.
The rookie will be given the first crack at the job..and from what it sounds like,the Browns feel the process is merely speeded up..after next season I doubt they woulda kept Steiny.
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It's incredible how there's one guy out here in the universe to disagree with with almost anything...you seem to be the one...I remember to agree with you on Little, which looks like I have to review it now, lol
DQ is an AVG to above AVG NFL MLB...for a bad to below AVG NFL team that means he has value...that's how I see it
He's better than 99% of the players your master Mangini brought in....you didn't nitpick those as much...wonder why?
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Here's the thing...we've never had the beef up front on the d line for our linebackers to make tackles behind the los. Nobody is making tackles behind the los with a guard in your face.
Its a team thing. If these linebackers don't have someone in there face they will make tackles behind the los.
We've never had all the pieces for a successful defense.
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I think that DQ is very similar to Paul Posluszny now in Jacksonville. A guy who racks up tackles and seems like a very talented LB because he makes tackles, but to a point hasnt made an impact...for 2 reasons. First that he isnt a creator, and second that he hasnt been put in a position to succeed.
I think DQ is good, but will always be a product of his environment...talented yes, game changer no.
But Django I agree with you (something i admittedly have done only a couple times) but I too think that DQ is quite talented and will have a good season for us health permitting.
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Manginin didnt bring in DQ. That was Savage. He told us that DQ reminded him of Ray Lewis.
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My master? Wow. I happen to think that DQ will be nothing more than extremely average. Hopefully I'm wrong ..... but I doubt it. My long term record when I come out strongly against a player is pretty good. (unfortunately) Hopefully DQ succeeds and becomes a force at MLB. I don't expect it .... but hopefully he'll prove me wrong. Also, as far as the players Mangini brought in ..... the most I ever said about most of them is that they were better stop gap players than the ones we had. They knew, and could help teach the system while we worked to get better players. That's it. Some showed some promise .... like Elam ...... and other never did more than they were expected to do. However, last year, until injuries took their toll, we had a respectable defense. We were 13th in points allowed for the year overall. Damn near every team in the top 10 was a playoff team ..... so that shows where we were in one regard. It also shows that some of the guys Mangini brought in did help. (despite your whining to the contrary) Oh ... and I knew that my Mangini quote .... which I happened to like quite a bit, would cause someone to make a snide comment ..... and I figured it would be you or one other poster. You didn't let me down.
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