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Which would you prefer? We have the draft rescheduled for September 6th at 615pm or we could keep our draft as it was without the flex or keep the flex...
Answer by Saturday...whichever has the most votes will be the one we will go with
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I voted keep the draft removing the QB flex position. I understand the arguement if you were there in the draft, but some of us couldnt make the draft and didn't know about the position change. Removing the position keeps the competitive balance of the league. Keeping the flex just enables a couple of teams to roll through the league. We never voted on the additional position to being with, so in all honesty it wasn't fairly added.
I think redoing the draft is the second best option and would be fine with either one. Keeping everything as is really doesn't make sense.
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so since people here are bitching about not showing up for the draft and paying attention to the settings, everyone should be inconvenienced? what a joke!
maybe there are a lot of college kids in this league with nothing better to do, but i'm not setting aside more time...i already did that.
if you drop the flex, i'll participate, but let's be honest about this. this would just give the new draft attendees a hands-down edge over those who can't attend, which was the reason people (read: person) were bitching and crying in the first place. i guess it's only fair if others are the ones being screwed over.
face it, ANDRADAVIS, you made an assumption about the settings and chose not to attend the draft scheduled weeks ahead of time. when you discovered the surprise roster setting (it was to everyone else, too, buddy), you B&Med for everyone to change the rules b/c of your botched absentee drafting.
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lol at you whining about me whining. Whatever buddy. It was a roster spot added on by the commish that we didn't vote on. Whats the issue here? Vote your opinion and get over it. Or do you need to whine some more to "might as well drop me from the league!" to make yourself feel better?
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lol at you whining about me whining. Whatever buddy. It was a roster spot added on by the commish that we didn't vote on. Whats the issue here? Vote your opinion and get over it. Or do you need to whine some more to "might as well drop me from the league!" to make yourself feel better?
Sounds like the comish was trying to pull off bs busch league moves to rig the league imo. lol at dnadawg crying though. Had to play the "omg, I have a job, and not in college card." Get over yourself.
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just thought it was funny that you wanted to rig it after complaining it was rigged. i'll go back to my crying now... 
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not trying to rig anything...
in all honesty...i played in a league last year that had the any offensive player flex and had a blast with it because you could pick ANY player to fill an extra spot...and thought adding it would be fun...
not a source of debate and anger...and certainly not "me trying to rig" the league...all i did was add a spot i thought would be fun...who knew it would be such a ridiculous debate...one extra player has really caused this...really? cmon...
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in addition...if anyone thought that this was an attempt to rig anything...or cause any issue...
as commish, i ended up having my girlfriend (who likes the browns and peyton manning and really nothing else about football cept finding it funny that buffalo stinks cuz we live there) do my draft...
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I never thought it was an attempt to "rig" anything on your part.
I do think that one person feels he had a crappy draft so the moaning started immediately.
My position is this: I logged on 10 minutes before the draft and immediately saw the change. So did everyone else that showed up for the live draft. If a person wasn't going to be able to be at the live draft you'd think they'd have checked the rules at least a day in advance to verify that nothing had changed. I say keep everything as it was 30 seconds after the draft. I can even live with keeping the draft and losing the QB flex position (I agree, I think it would be interesting). But if we re-do the draft completely just delete my team. I'm not doing that and I'm not setting up for an "absentee" draft. No whining, no moaning, no hard feelings but no more drafting, either.
Thanks for your efforts, Commish.
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I do think that one person feels he had a crappy draft so the moaning started immediately.
Have you even read what I wrote, because based on your response I would say you haven't. Its not that I feel I had a "crappy draft". I'm in favor of keeping the draft, just removing the extra position that the commish threw in there without vote from the league. I'm sorry that I wasn't able to make the beginning of the draft, but I knew ahead of time that I wouldnt be able to and set my pick preference before hand. Again, sorry that I didnt read the rules of a league that I've been a part of for 3 seasons, didn't feel it necessary. Might as well tell me to read the rules of DTs before every post. Take the drama out of it big guy.
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I didn't think you were trying to rig anything, but I do think you should have alerted the league at the minimum, really a vote since its the 3rd season before making changes to the league.
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Everyone keeps saying we should have voted on a change, we didn't vote on the 2 divisions changing to one did we?
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blah..tied at 4 a piece for keep the league with and without flex spot...
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No we didn't, least not that I was involved in.
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well theres been 10 votes...hopefully the other two decide it.
If anyone is concerned about the 2 divisions...that was something that was tried last year...and it really doesnt change anything. The scheduling is exactly the same when you have 2 divisions, it only broke up the records...which seemed silly.
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Just looking at the resubmission of the previous draft...if we are to remove the QB flex spot...we would have to have an additional bench player...
because otherwise it would screw up the draft results, and i wouldnt be able to put in the 16th round...which kinda changes my stance, i said continue without the flex because it seemed to be the one people wanted most and it doesnt matter to me, but id rather have the active player than the bench player...i move to keep the q/w/r/t flex position
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I'm not the drama queen in this scenario, "big guy".....
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Yeah sure you weren't.  Thats why "one guy B&M" blah blah. Next time don't insinuate and get to it already. Sorry that my asking for a fair league inconviences you. Goodness with all the crying you're doing you'd think I stole you're first round pick.
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outside opinion:
#1 - remember that playing fantasy football is supposed to be fun. hopefully noone is taking anything personally here and everyone can agree to whatever happens and just have fun with the season.
#2 - it's a bad situation. changing rules late and without a league-wide email notification is not great form. however, it looks like in the past the commish has been granted the ability to make changes at his discretion (adding divisions). without something in the league 'constitution' outlining the procedures how to make changes, then I do not think a change should be made to the league at this point. the flex position should stand.
#3 - again, this is for fun.
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i said that, not OTTO, ANDRA.
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After all this bickering i don't even feel like playing lol..
i say we scrap it and start over next year....please drop me from the league before ths eason starts...and i am pretty sure there is more than 1 person in here that just wants to scrap it...
If you remove 2 people that's a league of 10 and you guys can pick up our players from waiver wire which is fair....you pick ur guy and if ur up u get him...just like the draft.
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Anyone got a pacifier for BrownsBuck? 
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Anyone got a pacifier for BrownsBuck?
If you have an extra, dnadawg needs one as well.
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Buck im kinda with ya...but what I'm going to do, since the draft is so widely split, and it will actually be a much bigger effort to change anything, I think I'm going to keep it as is.
In addition, at some point during the season, I'll make someone a co-commissioner to make executive decisions going forward. And then i believe next year they can be lead commissioner and decision maker.
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OK....here's getting to it. You're a whiner. This is a fantasy football league that does not involve any money. Yet you are carrying on like an 8 year old.
I could see a little groaning if you stood to lose $50, $60 bucks or more, But all you're gonna lose, if you lose, is the ability to strut around on a message board.
Seems slightly pathetic to me
But, hey, knock yourself out.
Anyway, as I said before I have no problem playing with or without the QB flex. But if we go to a re-draft delete my team. I'm not interested in blowing another 1.5 hours to make 1-2 guys happy.
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I apologize to all those inconvenienced but the original draft has been restored and things will remain as is...around week 2 ill add a co-commissioner to take over executive decisions
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r u kidding me LMAO?
you all are the oens bithcin and moaning....i can't stand it so i want out....
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Anyway, as I said before I have no problem playing with or without the QB flex. But if we go to a re-draft delete my team. I'm not interested in blowing another 1.5 hours to make 1-2 guys happy.
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Too bad you already said you wanted out. Not sure what the problem was with you other than you're glad that you had an unfair advantage over the rest of the league since you were able to make the draft and see the changes. I was not able to and asked the league to vote on getting rid of the QB flex position. Way to get your panties in a bunch big guy and cry about getting rid of your team over a little vote. Really hope you don't have any kids and teach them to whine and cry until they get their way the way you did over this.
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Way to get your panties in a bunch big guy and cry about getting rid of your team over a little vote. Really hope you don't have any kids and teach them to whine and cry until they get their way the way you did over this.
you don't see this irony in your words at all, do you? 
I DO have kids, and will happily teach them that if they are 1 in 12 people having a problem with the rules, that doesn't make the rules unfair. not everyone liked/likes the flex QB, but 10 people live-drafted under those rules, plus the commish, who set it. check the vote you demanded.
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I never demanded anything, nice reach though.
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Geez, and to think - I thought about joining. Glad I didn't.
So are we...... 
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As an outside party, when was the change made? Right before the draft or weeks in advance?
If it was right before the draft, I'd say scrap the whole thing. The people whining about the change are correct and they should have had time to view the change and not just at the draft they could not make.
If it was made weeks in advance, I'd say the people whining about the change are wrong, because they had plenty of time to look at the changes and should have seen it prior, though as a LM it should have been his responsibility to notify the league about this change.
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I don't even remember what we are all complaining about now..
If it makes me a baby to say i want out of this mess then so be it...
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the moment i re-upped the league i added the flex spot. I did it when i started the league...so that was...whenever the thread in the fantasy and gaming place was started
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Not sure what the problem was with you other than you're glad that you had an unfair advantage over the rest of the league since you were able to make the draft and see the changes.
Let me get this right. You knew you weren't able to make the draft of a non-cash fun league, yet you still chose to join. Now you're slamming others for having an "unfair" advantage?
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