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Link (Politico) Calif. passing its own 'Dream Act' By: Mackenzie Weinger September 1, 2011 06:21 AM EDT While Congress and the Obama administration dither on comprehensive immigration reform, California is pushing through its own “Dream Act” to allow illegal immigrants to obtain state-funded financial aid for college. The California state Senate passed the measure Wednesday on a 22-11 party-line vote, with Democrats in support and Republicans opposed, the Los Angeles Times reported. The Democratic-controlled state Assembly is expected to approve it in the next week.The bill then heads to Gov. Jerry Brown (D) for his expected signature. Under the measure, undocumented and out-of-state students who attended high school in California for three or more years are eligible to apply for state-funded financial aid for college. Illegal immigrant students would essentially receive the leftovers of state-funded grants and scholarships, with legal residents getting first dibs on financial aid before money goes to qualified undocumented students. A state Senate committee analysis estimated the bill will cost the state about $40 million, or about one percent of its $3.5 billion budget for campus financial aid. It will go into effect in 2013. Last year, a federal Dream Act — that would have created a pathway for citizenship for illegal immigrants who attended college or served in the military, which California’s legislation does not provide for — failed in the Senate. Proponents are hopeful that if California’s Dream Act passes, it could spark a new effort for federal reform. Brown signed the first half of the legislation into law last month, approving privately funded college financial aid for illegal immigrants. Former Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed legislation to provide state financial aid for undocumented students three times in his tenure. ----  
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So ... if you broke the law and stole taxpayer supported benefits for 3 or more years, then you are entitled to continue to break the law and steal yet more money that you are in no way legally entitled to? This country is insane ... with California leading the way. This appears to be certain politicians mindset ..... "we're broke .... so let's spend more ... that'll fix things". 
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So ... if you broke the law and stole taxpayer supported benefits for 3 or more years, then you are entitled to continue to break the law and steal yet more money that you are in no way legally entitled to?
This country is insane ... with California leading the way. This appears to be certain politicians mindset ..... "we're broke .... so let's spend more ... that'll fix things".
What's worse is they try to justify it by making you feel guilty. Well Little Jose was only 3 when his parents dragged him by his hair to a new land where he had no friend. Sorry, I may feel for the poor kid, but the ones who should be feeling guilty are his parents that dragged him along. While it might not be Jose's fault that he is here, I shouldn't be made guilty for it. They'll play their sob stories all day long, but what about the sob stories of those here legally that cannot afford college because their parents make too much money or their grant money doesn't pay for enough of their schooling?
California has huge deficits as is, and now they are trying to make it larger by handing out money to people who should not be here in the first place. California schools have seen massive tuition fees and yet they want to pull this crap? It's completely backwards.
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Just curious - do they have to pay back this financial aid?
If so then I think they need to add a caveot that they have to become US citizens and pay back the loan... then I'd have no problem with it...
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Just curious - do they have to pay back this financial aid?
If so then I think they need to add a caveot that they have to become US citizens and pay back the loan... then I'd have no problem with it...
Why should someone who is here illegally get to both get financial aid for college ..... and get a fast track to citizenship for breaking the law?
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It's all good. If they pass it, I'm sure the federal government will sue the state to get it overturned because just like in Arizona, they have decided that illegal immigration and how it should be treated is a federal issue so California's laws absolutely cannot trump the federal laws.. so I shall just sit back with no worries because I'm sure the federal government will act consistently... Ok, I tried, I can't stop laughing and about whizzed myself.  
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Just curious - do they have to pay back this financial aid?
If so then I think they need to add a caveot that they have to become US citizens and pay back the loan... then I'd have no problem with it...
It's both grants and loans, so it's both free money and loans that need to be paid back. It's just like the aid that any legal resident in California is currently allowed. So, what's going to happen is more people fighting over the same pot of money and since those here illegally most likely come from lower income families and families that can most likely be able to claim 0 income for working under the table will become first in line to receive these benefits pushing out those who are legally here.
When I was going to college out here, overcrowding in the system was pretty bad and you had to fight to get into some required classes, I hear it is worse now and this will make it even worse.
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I don't see why not... I mean it's not like California is hurting for cash in their budget or anything...
... oh, wait. Nevermind.
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I don't see why not... I mean it's not like California is hurting for cash in their budget or anything...
... oh, wait. Nevermind.
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Well what's funnier is that a few months ago, the same people in Government supporting this bill were clamoring for more tax dollars because our budget was horrible, otherwise we'd be facing drastic cuts, especially in education. Now they want to hand out millions of dollars to illegals for....education.
I'll remember this next time that they start begging for more tax dollars and saying they will cut education.
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I just don't get it.. Maybe I'm wrong here, but California, like most other states, is in a financial mess. They don't have 40 million to put towards the educational needs of LEGAL citizens let alone illegals.,...
Who is/are the idiot(s) that come up with this stuff.
Why should we pay for the education of people that aren't even in the country legally?
And another thing,, when they apply for this aid, why aren't they arrested on the spot and then deported?
Don't we have laws that are supposed to be enforced?
What the hell is going on in this country? What the hell are we thinking? Why is this even a topic of discussion?
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I just don't get it.. Maybe I'm wrong here, but California, like most other states, is in a financial mess. They don't have 40 million to put towards the educational needs of LEGAL citizens let alone illegals.,...
Who is/are the idiot(s) that come up with this stuff.
Gil Cedillo - Same person who wanted to give driver's licenses to illegals.
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Don't we have laws that are supposed to be enforced?
Yes but if a state actually tries to enforce them, the federal government sues them.
Our federal government makes it more and more clear each day that they will selectively determine which laws they view as important and in need of enforcement and which ones can be ignored.
If you are a person or business harboring an illegal piece of wood they break your door down with guns, if you are harboring an illegal person, then that person gets a job, healthcare, education, etc and you are considered a "safe haven"...
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Gil Cedillo - Same person who wanted to give driver's licenses to illegals.
What's this guys story? Who's paying him off?
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What's this guys story? Who's paying him off?
Probably Illegal Alien Activists... I mean Undocumented Worker Activists.
I really need to get out of California, it just gets worse. They know what it make it illegal for cities to impound cars of unlicensed drivers that they find at checkpoints. What makes it worse is that they are trying to use the City of Bell Scandal to justify it. It's a complete and utter lie. It has nothing to do with the city of Bell, but has to do everything with unlicensed illegal immigrants getting their cars rightfully towed and impounded. I'm going to need to start driving around without a license and say that I'm an undocumented worker by the name of Jose Rodriguez.
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State moves to limit cities' ability to impound cars
In response to practices in Bell, the California Senate approves restrictions for DUI checkpoints. The measure goes back to the Assembly for final approval. Brown has not taken a position.
By Patrick McGreevy, Los Angeles Times
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The state Senate on Tuesday voted to restrict cities' ability to impound cars driven by people caught at sobriety checkpoints without driver's licenses. The action came as a direct response to the city of Bell, which made it a practice to confiscate vehicles from unlicensed motorists — many of them illegal immigrants — and then charge high impound fees or sell them in order to fill city coffers.
Currently, cities can hold cars taken from unlicensed drivers for 30 days, with impound fees accruing each day. If unclaimed, the vehicles may then be auctioned off, something that often happens when fines and fees exceed the car's value.
Under the legislation, if a sober driver is caught at a DUI checkpoint without a valid license, officers must release the car to a qualified driver representing the registered owner.
If a licensed driver isn't immediately available, the car can be released to one later by the impound yard.
But some Republican lawmakers said that public safety would be jeopardized by AB 353, which was previously approved by the Assembly but must go back to that chamber for action on amendments. The bill would then go to Gov. Jerry Brown, who has yet to take a position on it.
"If we lower this standard, what we are doing is encouraging more people without driver's licenses to be on the roads," said state Sen. Joel Anderson (R-San Diego). "There is a reason they don't have a driver's license. It's not because they are a good driver."
Anti-immigration activists also warned that the legislation would remove one deterrent to illegal immigrants driving without a license.
"It seems if there is a law that inconveniences illegal aliens, they [legislators] are willing to change it," said Ira Mehlman, a spokesman with the Federation for American Immigration Reform.
Bell police officers impounded hundreds of cars because the drivers were unlicensed. But according to the bill's sponsor, Assemblyman Gil Cedillo (D-Los Angeles), and other lawmakers, the practice is not isolated to the troubled Los Angeles suburb.
"What is really going on here is, some local governments, including the city of Bell, are using this impoundment to make money," said Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento) "Folks on the other side of the aisle who rightfully sometimes rail against government running amok and hurting people with its police powers ought to recognize this for what it is — an abuse."
A handful of Republican senators joined in voting to pass the bill, which Democrats said was narrowly tailored to respond to DUI dragnets that are purely predatory.
Steinberg noted that 24,000 cars were impounded in 2009 at DUI checkpoints in California but that only 3,200 of those behind the wheel were charged with driving under the influence.
The impound measure was one of dozens that lawmakers approved Tuesday.
Among them, the Senate voted to bar cities and counties from enacting laws prohibiting male circumcision. Assemblyman Mike Gatto (D-Silver Lake) had introduced the bill in response to petition drives in two cities. Activists in Santa Monica eventually dropped their effort, and a judge ordered a San Francisco measure off the ballot.
"When you have a situation where a group of extremists is trying to take away the rights of parents and others, I think it is an appropriate role for government to step in and preserve liberty," Gatto said. His bill, AB 768, goes back to the Assembly for action.
The Senate also voted to ban the chemical bisphenol-A (BPA) from baby bottles and sippy cups on grounds it is toxic and poses a health threat. Senators sent AB 1319 back to the Assembly, which previously approved a stricter bill, for concurrence on amendments.
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Sheesh. We should just give Cali to Mexico.....with the strict requirement that they must also take Pelosi, Brown and Feinstein.
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Sheesh. We should just give Cali to Mexico.....with the strict requirement that they must also take Pelosi, Brown and Feinstein.
Take all the California Democrats with them considering they want to hand over the state to them anyways.
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So ... if you broke the law and stole taxpayer supported benefits for 3 or more years, then you are entitled to continue to break the law and steal yet more money that you are in no way legally entitled to?
This country is insane ... with California leading the way. This appears to be certain politicians mindset ..... "we're broke .... so let's spend more ... that'll fix things".
Exactly...they are broke and find more ways to spend money they don't have. By the way, I am pretty sure there is free college in Mexico.
If there way a surplus, go for it. but there are so many problems to fix that this is ancillary.
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