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First I think I've heard a woman complain about the lack of sex from a man. Thought you guys would get a kick out of this story. Link A 51-year-old Frenchman is going to pay up for not putting out.
His now ex-wife has successfully sued him over a "lack of sex over 21 years of marriage," according to the U.K. Daily Telegraph. The man has been ordered to pay the equivalent of nearly $10,000 in damages.
A judge in Aix-en-Provence supported the wife's citing of article 215 of France's Civil Code, which states married couples must live a "shared communal life." The code states that "sexual relations must form part of marriage."
The woman, 47, had been granted a divorce two years ago, but sought damages in a separate legal action.
Her ex-husband blamed their lack of sex on "tiredness and health problems."
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Sexless relationships are soon parted. As reported by comedian Rodney Dangerfield, “My psychiatrist said my wife and I should have sex every night. Now, we'll never see each other!”. Such was the suit for a French couple in a sexless marriage, reports The Telegraph, but there's an additional catch. A judge in the French city of Aix-en-Provence determined that the male had to repay his ex $14,000 for insufficient sex over their 21-year marriage. Now, what's the relevance of sex in marriage? In my opinion, sex is a huge part of a healthy relationship. It helps maintain closeness and intimacy, but marriage should not be all about sex. The real measure of a happy marriage is the passion of both partners. That is indeed priceless!
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Sexless relationships are soon parted. As reported by comedian Rodney Dangerfield, “My psychiatrist said my wife and I should have sex every night. Now, we'll never see each other!”. Such was the suit for a French couple in a sexless marriage, reports The Telegraph, but there's an additional catch. A judge in the French city of Aix-en-Provence determined that the male had to repay his ex $14,000 for insufficient sex over their 21-year marriage. Now, what's the relevance of sex in marriage? In my opinion, sex is a huge part of a healthy relationship. It helps maintain closeness and intimacy, but marriage should not be all about sex. The real measure of a happy marriage is the passion of both partners. That is indeed priceless!
That works out to $1.83 a night.
So your wife comes in at bedtime, make-up removed, looking rather frumpy, dude should have just handed her over a couple of bucks and said, "I included a tip".
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That works out to $1.83 a night.
So your wife comes in at bedtime, make-up removed, looking rather frumpy, dude should have just handed her over a couple of bucks and said, "I included a tip".
Haha, or may be he just shouldn't have married her in the first place. Sex is very important in a healthy relationship, at least I think so. May be not priority number one, but it's still important. Now the question is, how much sex did they have before they were married, what "health problems" is this guy talking about, and did this woman "let herself go" and get really fat or stop taking care of herself
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Here's what gets me....why is she complaining two years after the divorce and 23 years after the marriage began?? She let this go on for 21 years and is just NOW bringing it up? 
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Probably because woman complain about everything and their long-term emotional wounds lead to them holding onto grudges for an extremely long period of time?
The whole lawsuit is funny but if a man tried the reverse, would he chastised by the feminist movement as forcing a wife into sex?
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I bet she's not just now bringing it up. Suing probably wasn't on the table until they were divorced. I'm sure it was an ongoing issue in their relationship... probably since the beginning.
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I'm not sure if this paints you in a positive or a negative light. 
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Probably because woman complain about everything and their long-term emotional wounds lead to them holding onto grudges for an extremely long period of time?
Wow....way to lump us all together. 
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In fairness, I have known women who have held grudges for decades .... sometimes against people who never even knew they existed. lol
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I have known both men and women who do that...but bfl lumped us all in as being that way. If that's his attitude toward all women...just ugh.
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Gosh, women are so sensitive. 
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Heehee. I just don't like lumping a race, sex, religion, etc., together for anything. It's not accurate.
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You are correct - that was a broad generalization. Unfortunately that is why many generalizations are true - generally women are the grudge-holders.
As men we are so distracted by sports and sex that we don't notice. Thus exasperating the problem.
I don't need to be a sexist pig to understand that - there are books and books and books and even more books about the fact that MOST women harbor feelings and emotions longer than MOST men. My intention was not to offend.
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I know it wasn't your intention...and you didn't offend me because I'm not someone that hold grudges or carries baggage.  I like football and sex better, too, you know. 
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you just aren't winning points for sensitivity today 
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Probably because woman complain about everything and their long-term emotional wounds lead to them holding onto grudges for an extremely long period of time?
The whole lawsuit is funny but if a man tried the reverse, would he chastised by the feminist movement as forcing a wife into sex?
If a man pulled this, he'll be deemed a rapist for trying to coerce a woman, his wife to have sex with him and that he was turning his wife into a prostitute by asking for a refund of services not rendered.
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The whole lawsuit is funny but if a man tried the reverse, would he chastised by the feminist movement as forcing a wife into sex?
While I agree with DawgMichelle that generalizing women is a bad idea (they're all different)
That quote you made right there is so very true.
But may be that's just because guys just feel like laughing at the dude who won't give it up though. How can he ask for support? He'd look like a total loser.
But I do wonder if she let herself go and he lost all physical attraction to her. This is something that scares me sometimes, I've seen it happen, and I hope it doesn't happen to me. Can you use this as an argument at a divorce hearing? I imagine women might have the same fears about their husbands, although my girlfriend would probably tell me they don't because "men (as well as myself) are superficial"
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It's funny but I believe you entirely. Maybe I am (or someone else) is shallow, but looks are part of the whole thing. You don't buy a car with a great engine if it has rust spots and chips in the windows after all...  But seriously it's frightening. If I marry someone who is one thing and they turn into something else and refuse to be what they once were (and what I married) then it's sort of like I was tricked into it. Whether that trait was "let's go to concerts and tailgate" or "we never do puzzles and games anymore" or even "you put on 50 pounds and only care about eating or snacking instead of being active with me" ... why should it matter?
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so, if you get married in your 20s, then you expect the person to look and act the exact same way the rest of their life?
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Back on topic here ..... Now that precedent has been set ...... I am gonna look up this girl I dated a couple years after high school. We went out for months .... and I got nowhere with her. I'm suing! 
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The whole lawsuit is funny but if a man tried the reverse, would he chastised by the feminist movement as forcing a wife into sex?
And, yes....I agree with this....what's fair for one should be fair for the other. It works both ways. But please, people, do it long before 21 years has passed.
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But seriously it's frightening. If I marry someone who is one thing and they turn into something else and refuse to be what they once were (and what I married) then it's sort of like I was tricked into it.
Whether that trait was "let's go to concerts and tailgate" or "we never do puzzles and games anymore" or even "you put on 50 pounds and only care about eating or snacking instead of being active with me" ... why should it matter?
I agree, but sometimes you reap what you sew. So you have to work together to get through some of these issues.
One thing I'm having is that my girlfriend (who I care a ton about, she's the best, she takes care of me in every single way, she's intelligent, pretty, acts right, doesn't drink too much, polite, tons of fun to be around).
So my girlfriend and I spend a ton of time together, a lot of that involves eating. My diet is awful. She likes to eat too, so I'm not a good influence on her at all. I love fast food and just junk food in general. I go nuts at the candy aisle. But the thing is, I can eat tons of food and I don't really gain weight. Only when I'm smoking pot (two months a year) do I gain weight, because I snack ALL DAY. But still, my eating habits are awful, and it affects her more than it affects me.
She's put on a little weight, while I don't. So at some point, we're going to have to buckle down, eat better and start being more active. Less time watching movies or sports, more time walking together or working toward staying in shape.
At this point, I'd rather have her put on some weight and continue my lifestyle (I like some "heat" on a girl, really skinny chicks just don't do it for me, I like a woman), but if we continue to be and get married or something, things will have to change in our habits. And that's on me, as well as her.
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so, if you get married in your 20s, then you expect the person to look and act the exact same way the rest of their life?
I'm totally screwed if my wife sees this. She's still hot, and I'm balder and fatter. She'd have a slam dunk case! 
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I'm totally screwed if my wife sees this. She's still hot, and I'm balder and fatter. She'd have a slam dunk case!
I'll bet you don't take her out as often as you did when you were dating too 
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so, if you get married in your 20s, then you expect the person to look and act the exact same way the rest of their life?
Obviously not, but as someone who's 26, if I marry a girl, I'd like her to continue to be somewhat concerned about her appearance throughout our life together.
I'd just like the attractiveness drop-off to sort of come at the same pace or something. You've gotta understand what we're talking about, you've seen it happen. I can't expect the girl I marry to look like she's 25 her whole life, but appearance does count. Don't turn into a bowling ball or something.
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But seriously it's frightening. If I marry someone who is one thing and they turn into something else and refuse to be what they once were (and what I married) then it's sort of like I was tricked into it.
Whether that trait was "let's go to concerts and tailgate" or "we never do puzzles and games anymore" or even "you put on 50 pounds and only care about eating or snacking instead of being active with me" ... why should it matter?
People do age and mature, my wife and I went to concerts and did a lot of spontaneous stuff way back when... we don't do nearly as much of it any more after 2 kids and we both now work more, etc.. it would be totally unfair of me to expect her to live the same lifestyle in her 40s that we lived in our 20s. With that said, there has to be room for fun and compromise and that is part of any long term relationship.
I do agree though that with weight and appearance you should have a level of expectation that your significant other take care of themselves.
I knew a guy who got married when he was 23, his wife was the same age. For some bizarre reason at about the age of 28, she started smoking (who makes it to 28 without smoking and THEN starts? ) But that's what she did and he hated it. She knew when they met that he hated it and he had never done and would never do it and didn't like to be around it. She refused to quit and it led to fighting and bickering and a host of other problems and they were divorced at 32.
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ah, but PStU's comment was that all traits (including what you do in your spare time) need to be consistent.
that's what I thought was crazy. I married my wife when we were in our early 20s. since then: we bought a house, had kids, have more serious jobs and financial commitments. what we did then looks nothing like what we do now. and it is folly to think/expect that it would. it's just a matter of making sure that you grow together and change together.
as for the physical aspect. after the kids, she goes on a more serious health-kick, which means as support, I have to go on it as well (not my favorite thing to do by any means - i hate eating food that doesn't taste like food). i've been lucky in that she's as beautiful now as she was then, so I might not be the best judge on that end of things (since I'm spoiled).
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You better hope she doesn't feel that way because she will probably be a lot better looking than you a lot longer than you. 
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It doesn't work that way.
As a whole, men tend to age with grace and women fall off the cliff.
Not always, but a good majority of the time I have found that to be true.
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Does anyone know how often you have to have sex in France so you don't get sued? And, really, isn't that like forced rape? Sleep with me or I'll sue you?
Ugh.
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Does anyone know how often you have to have sex in France so you don't get sued? And, really, isn't that like forced rape? Sleep with me or I'll sue you?
Ugh.
Whenever they want it. It's France they're used to surrendering to others desires.
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Obviously not, but as someone who's 26, if I marry a girl, I'd like her to continue to be somewhat concerned about her appearance throughout our life together.
I'd just like the attractiveness drop-off to sort of come at the same pace or something. You've gotta understand what we're talking about, you've seen it happen. I can't expect the girl I marry to look like she's 25 her whole life, but appearance does count. Don't turn into a bowling ball or something.
I agree.
Looks aren't everything, and you can call me shallow, but I would have to be attracted to someone to be happy. I would have a hard time being happy if I was with someone I had no attraction to anymore.
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Remember guys, the attraction thing works both ways. Don't go bald. Don't get a beer gut. Pluck the hair out of your nose and ears. Just sayin'. 
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Remember guys, the attraction thing works both ways. Don't go bald. Don't get a beer gut. Pluck the hair out of your nose and ears. Just sayin'.
No doubt, Michelle!
I still have hair, and my gut is a 6 pack, and I keep myself well-groomed. I do take care of myself and can say I look just as good as I did 10 years ago. At least I hope. 
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Funny...a few of my single friends would talk all kind of junk about Girl X was too hippy or that Girl Y didn't have big enough uhhh....you know. I would interrupt them with, "You're fat, lazy, aren't good looking and you live in trashy garden apartments. You'd be LUCKY to have those two girls even go on one date with you losers."
It goes both ways fellas. Take care of yourself too (though losing your hair can't really be stopped).
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