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I was listening to 92.3 The Fan (new fm sports talk radio station in Cleveland) today and the guy asked "What is a successful Browns season to you?"
I kind of laughed when I heard him ask it. To me, a successful Browns season is nothing short of earning a wildcard spot and going to the playoffs. If the Browns go 8-8 or 7-9 I would call it an improvement but I would call it a successful season.
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Yep playoffs. But l would settle for a season above 500.
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Successful season - improvements in all aspects of the game, competitive in every game, win some we shouldn't, don't lose any we shouldn't. This means success to me.
Of course > 8-8 would be awesome.
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19-0, Super Bowl win, Colt McCoy throwing for 6,000 yards, 74 TD's, 0 INT's, Peyton Hillis running for 3,100 yards, 47 TD's.
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Win it all, punish every opponent, 24 Pro Bowlers, a Browns SB win in Cleveland, or just make playoffs. PS I can settle for OldCold Dawg's as well.   
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The definition of success is the achievement of an objective or goal. For me, that would be to be competitive and fun to watch week in and week out, and at the end of the season have the feeling that most of the pieces are in place for a playoff calibur team.
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A successful season is winning the Super Bowl. Lesser levels of success would be making the playoffs .... having a winning season .... and so on .... but a truly successful season is winning it all.
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A successful season is winning the Super Bowl. Lesser levels of success would be making the playoffs .... having a winning season .... and so on .... but a truly successful season is winning it all.
Exactly. ^^
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A successful season is winning the Super Bowl. Lesser levels of success would be making the playoffs .... having a winning season .... and so on .... but a truly successful season is winning it all.
Exactly. ^^
Considering where we've been and where we're coming from, I guess I'm setting the bar a bit lower than Super Bowl as I have no expectations of that. If we split it at 8-8, I'd find my way into the pleased zone, if we go 9-7, I'll take that and be happy.
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Winning it all is ultimately successful.
But there are smaller successes that would be good.. More than 6 wins is improvement, but not success, 8 wins is better,, but 9 wins or more is a successful year.
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I think it all depends on how we start. Right now, I say 8-8, with marked improvements and i'm ok with it. But, if we start 8-3, 8-8 would be really hard to swallow.
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A successful season is winning the Super Bowl. Lesser levels of success would be making the playoffs .... having a winning season .... and so on .... but a truly successful season is winning it all.
If we went 12-4 and lost to Pittsburgh in the AFC title game, I would tell anyone who asked that it was an incredibly successful season.
Though I see your point.
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I said for a long time that a successful Browns' season would be just to be competitive in the games they play. Pretty pathetic to say that for as long as I have.
I have been patient. I've been patient for too many damn years.
I'm honestly not even very excited for the first game, and that's rare for me. I'm tired of the losing, tired of people telling me with each regime change that things will change when they never do.
I've been somewhat impressed with last year's draft and hopefully the most recent one will be just as good.
For now, I'm not very excited, and I'm sad that I feel that way.
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For now, I'm not very excited, and I'm sad that I feel that way.
You know, I try to stay optimistic, but boy, I'm the same way. I remember just a couple years ago when I couldn't sleep before the opener.
I want tomorrow's game to get me pumped all over again.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Vice versa for me: in the Mangini seasons I really could no get pumped for ANY game since I knew the org was set up to fail (and the HC being incredibly incompetent and full of himself), so another rebuild was inevitable (Mangini never did one btw, he made this team MUCH older in his 2 years, he stunk although trying to win now, lol)...this season, I'm eager to see Heckert's new draftees and last years class develop
The big ? remaining is Shurmur, so I'd say a successful Browns season for me, no matter the record, is if we finally have a competent HC and the young core players develop...
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In 2011, a successful Browns season would be:
play tough every week, show hope for the future, win at least six games. I still think we can contend into December. After that who knows?
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Boy, you're a real downer.
LOL! But, really....the Browns have been the downer and we all know it. I agree that I hope tomorrow somehow shows a ray of hope. That would keep me interested.
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I do know what you mean Michelle. It's hard to take disappointment after disappointment and front office changes after coaching changes after QB changes after losing season after losing season after new hope after dashed hopes ......
On top of everything else going on, it makes it hard to stay excited.
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Exactly. I used to always make sure I was up by 1030 am and into my Browns gear ready to watch the pre game shows by 11 all pumped up. Last year was totally different. I didnt care if I even finished watching a whole game and purposely avoided watching sportscenter so I didnt have to suffer through the so called highlights. I just got tired of not even having fun watching them lose. I can watch them lose all year long and stay interested and excited if they are at least making some plays and getting me excited on some plays. If it wasnt for hillis last year I dont know if i would have been able to watch any games all the way through.
So to me a successful season is one where they get me excited again, and they have already got me to that point just by the way they are running the Browns now. You can clearly tell they have a plan and are sticking to it.
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If after 16 weeks of football,I can count the number of times I've said "GoodGod this team is pathetic" on one hand,that would be sucessful.
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I just want to watch competitive football. We saw glimpses of it last year, but we've seen a lot of glimpses over the last decade.
I want the Cleveland Browns to be my pallbearers so they can let me down for the last time.
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Mangini's not here, as far as I'm concerned the season is already a success.
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Exactly. I used to always make sure I was up by 1030 am and into my Browns gear ready to watch the pre game shows by 11 all pumped up. Last year was totally different. I didnt care if I even finished watching a whole game and purposely avoided watching sportscenter so I didnt have to suffer through the so called highlights.
I never watch the pre-game shows. It's been that way for many years. I didn't tune in until 5 or 10 minutes before a game. Back in the Kosar Era I couldn't stand the build up waiting all morning for the game. It got so bad I'd actually find something to do to stay up all night,(that wasn't hard to do ), and set my alarm for a half-hour before kick-off so I didn't have to go through all the anxious anticipation.
In this new age of DVRs sometimes I'll wait a half-hour to 45 minutes until after kick-off so I can fast-forward through commercials. Adding that late start to all the time I spend rewinding to watch and study certain plays sometimes I'll watch a whole game and never have to sit through a commercial. I'll let one play out if I have to make a dash to the kitchen or bathroom.
As far as being excited, I guess I'm a glutton for punishment. I'm a ball of nerves right now. Dang, I just came from posting in Tailgate! Rarely do I even read much in that forum let alone post in it. I'm just trying to keep my time filled up until I go to bed so I don't have to lay in bed and think about the game. I have to get up at 7am to go to church and I play bass guitar there so my mind is occupied right away in the morning but I'm outta there at 10am and will be forced to find something to keep me occupied until kick-off.
I'll read on here and check out the football websites to read their pre-game write ups on our game and all the AFC North games. (This week there's only two since the Steelers and Rats play each other as well as us and the bengals). Sunday's early are tough and it's extra tough with this being the first game of the new season. It's a season with so many changes that seem so positive in relation to the past few that I'm extra excited.
I mean, we went through the last RAC season at 4-12 after the 10-6 the year before. Injuries in preseason just ruined that year and like last year all our QBs were injuried. Then it was the infamous 1-11 season we suffered through. Enough about that. It was followed by last year's 5-11 run which was highlighted by some of the most stupid coaching decisions I've had to live through. It got exciting in the middle of the season only to fall back to the same dumb stuff Mangini became famous to me for.
• This year I'm hoping for a much better showing.
I want to see a team on the mend. I'm anxious to see our young players develop into a core to build upon. Heckert's first draft here gave me the hope that his second one will be just as good. If it is and Phil Taylor can be this year's Joe Haden and Sheard can equal TJ Ward's successful season then we're on track to be a competitive team in the near future. So I'm excited to watch our young guys this year and see if my best hopes bear fruit. That includes Little and now Pinkston as I believe both of them will also see a lot of snaps even early on. All that will only make me even more excited for the next draft. Next draft we have some extra picks. But a lot rides on 2009's guys continuing to improve and this past draft's players being as good as them. It should be a fun season to watch all that unfold.
• If this season's draft proves like a good one that will be one criteria of a successful season to me.
Another part of it is the continuing improvement of Colt McCoy. I can't really get a good take on him from last season. He was thrown into the fire in an anemic offense which made it hard for me to really evaluate him. I'm as excited as anyone that he is as accurate as he is. I think that's one reason so many are so high on him.
Not since Kosar have we had a QB that accurate. It's like magic on this team and I believe it is that which gains him a lot of praise in other areas in which he may not deserve all that praise. But those accurate passes and his lack of the kind of stupid mistakes we've witnessed over the years cause a lot of fans to proclaim him a franchise-type QB whether he is or not. He can only get better. How much better I don't know. But he's sure looking good in comparison to anyone we've had man that position since 1999. It is, I must admit, a thing of beauty to we who have suffered a string of suckage at that position for all these years.
• If Colt improves his play and this offense creates a chain-moving identity utilizing both the running and passing game and is able to score in a respectable manner considering our talent level at this time then that will be another criteria of a successful season to me.
• If we can get up into the early twenties (20-23) in run stopping defense then that will be a criteria of a successful season to me.
• If our front seven can get enough pressure to give our secondary a decent chance to be successful then that would be a criteria of a successful season to me.
• Right now I'm fearing a carry-over of the penalty fest we saw in preseason games and that bothers me. If the team plays relatively penalty free and not as they have in this shortened preseason then that will be successful to me.
If Shurmur makes good coaching decisions unlike losing a down in the Red Zone because he's focusing more on stopping the opposition from scoring when we're the team with the ball, then I'll be happy and consider that successful. Even though Shurmur is a rookie head coach I want to see decisions like those made by a seasoned football man. I'm tired of seeing coaching decisions like those being made by a man who thinks he has to outsmart the opponent only to outsmart himself.
• If we get intelligent coaching decisions in critical situations then I'll consider that one part of a successful season.
If we play to win rather than play it close to the vest hoping for a chance to win it in the end then I'll consider that a successful part of the season. For the life of me I don't see the "playing not to lose" mentality. I know Belichick, Marty Ball, Jim Tressel and others have had success playing it close and winning in the end. But I'm ready for some "let's take a risk and try to score some points" mentality up in here. I'm tired of being afraid to take a risk for fear of failure only to try something safer that fails anyway.
• If we play aggressive football with a "play-to-win" mentality I'll consider that a part of a successful season.
If we get a majority of these things, regardless of the scores or win/loss record, I'll consider this a successful season.
• I just want to see real, lasting improvement, a major overhaul in philosophy and our young guys develop into a core of players who are worthy of building on.
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6-0 in the division would be pretty successful, but the Raiders did that in 2010 and they didn't have much to show for it. Knocking another team out of the playoffs , or else winning 12 in the reg season would be a lonnngg way to convincing folks you're on the right track and worth respect in the league. If they win a playoff game against any of these teams, ( insert all 15 other AFC type teams in here) that would be pretty cool, especially given the last 13 or so trys and 17 or so years since they won a playoff game. Browns last playoff win was the vs the Patriots in Cleveland I think, Belichik Browns vs Parcells Pats, Testaverde the QB, Metcalf, Hoard Vardell, the Rb's Lots of talent on that team. But they looked pretty avg even late season the year before. How about you win 4 before you lose 4 ? How about you win 4 before you lose even 1 . ( even though this team could be 4-0 and end up 4-12 ugh  This next line cover the kids ears. How about you take a good team and make the game look like a prison nightmare for them? Can you do that? ... Oh sure there was that Stiller game a couple years ago and a Giants game but they were at times when the playoff hopes weren't really up, and the problem is even if this team plays well, were so used to seeing it blow up in our face that we expect the worst, somehow snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory. Dwaye Rudd, for instance, many other examples. Get to the playoffs like 2001-2 go into Pittsburgh , and Hold onto that 17 point lead in the 3rd quarter.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Playoffs would make me proud to be a Browns fan.. anything less would be nothing different than the rest of the previous seasons..
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A successful season would be a season that was fun to watch. It is really that simple. Just don't bore me and I will be happy.
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j/c... And that is the start of the rest of the season, folks. Enjoy. 
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I said for a long time that a successful Browns' season would be just to be competitive in the games they play. Pretty pathetic to say that for as long as I have.
I have been patient. I've been patient for too many damn years.
I'm honestly not even very excited for the first game, and that's rare for me. I'm tired of the losing, tired of people telling me with each regime change that things will change when they never do.
I've been somewhat impressed with last year's draft and hopefully the most recent one will be just as good.
For now, I'm not very excited, and I'm sad that I feel that way.
Same old, same old. 
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I said for a long time that a successful Browns' season would be just to be competitive in the games they play. Pretty pathetic to say that for as long as I have.
I have been patient. I've been patient for too many damn years.
I'm honestly not even very excited for the first game, and that's rare for me. I'm tired of the losing, tired of people telling me with each regime change that things will change when they never do.
I've been somewhat impressed with last year's draft and hopefully the most recent one will be just as good.
For now, I'm not very excited, and I'm sad that I feel that way.
Same old, same old.
The thing that sucks is that they gave us the illusion of competency for a couple of drives.... building up our hopes before again smashing them to pieces.
The game went .....
They suck!
Hey .. maybe it was just jitters, and they're really pretty good.
Nope ... they suck. Bad. 
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If after 16 weeks of football,I can count the number of times I've said "GoodGod this team is pathetic" on one hand,that would be sucessful.
One down,only four remaining.
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I was listening to 92.3 The Fan (new fm sports talk radio station in Cleveland) today and the guy asked "What is a successful Browns season to you?"
I kind of laughed when I heard him ask it. To me, a successful Browns season is nothing short of earning a wildcard spot and going to the playoffs. If the Browns go 8-8 or 7-9 I would call it an improvement but I would call it a successful season.
What do you all think?
I have watched this team since i was a kid watching the old B&W RCA in 1964.
I have been a harsh critic for some time yet that is because the memory of offensive brilliance and sound defense still lingers. So you ask what is a successful season?
You have to build a solid foundation, an Offensive line or your backs don't have holes, your QBs don"t have time and can get injured and your receivers have less time to get open.
It has been maddening to say the least how inept we have been in this crucial area and why I wanted Carimi so badly and why I believed Pashos was not the answer but a mirage at RT.
A successful season means you build, you compete, you contend. The Lions have leapfrogged the Browns into contention because in their building process they landed the best dlineman in a decade, a top young QB, one of the best wrs in the game, a solid RB and many really solid pieces while we grabbed for quantity. last year with Haden and Ward was the first time I had hope we were at least at step one..building a solid foundation.
Here is what I LIKE so far. Haden and Ward look to be special players that will make the players around them better. I wish we had made Wright a really solid offer before he left. While I heard some rumors we had I never read one report to this Before Wright signed. I am very very surprised at how well DQ has played, In fact he could be another fine block to build on. he needs help at Lber.
Now to the Dline, early returns seem to show that Both young Dlineman drafted look to be very promising as does Little at WR, we also have Rubin so we may have three fourths of the dline set for years to come...kudos to that as well. Again, I wish we had made Roth a firm offer in hand before he went fishing for so long in free agency and settling on playing 4-3 De again. Roth held the edge on Runs very well and that seems to be lacking So Far this year..so a step back there for now.
I like how Lauvo is working at RG. I think had we made RT a free agency priority Colt would look even better and maybe we have a W next to the Cincinnati game as the RT was lunch all day vs the Bengal DE on his side. This must be a priority .
Now is Colt the Guy? he is smart. he is mobile yet does he have enough arm to throw left. he was close to getting picked in both games vs the Bengals and Colts on throws left..so if defenses start to roll coverage to the right and Colt has no answer the team could really struggle.
WE have some nice TEs, a C, a LT, a RG to build on. we have a nice RB and maybe Little and Cribbs at WR. we need more to compete. I believe that is why the Lions and not the Browns made the leap forward to contention..they landed some bright stars the last four drafts and Herock has had but 2 and previous regimes left almost a bare cupboard to compete.
I want to see Benard make the rotation at DE, and I want to see another LBer step forward. I would love to see another young DB take that step forward.
We should have beat the Bengals and we beat the Colts. we are at the level of the bottom rung teams. we have to beat Miami as they represent the level just above the lowest teams and a team nearly at our level, yet they seemed to have stagnated since Parcells left and should we beat them and send them backward to 0-3 their Coach may not get a full season as his seat will warm considerably as they see us as a very beatable opponent.
Now we have a solid front office, my criticisms aside and some really solid drafts.
Do we have the Coaching staff? One thing I heard that made the kid in me sit up was that like Blanton Collier, the fine 1960s coach Shurmer LISTENS to his players input DURING the game. Nice chemistry building.
A successful season is where we continue to build and compete enough to finish break even or better. Give Herock another draft with the extra picks the Falcon trade brings and we could get several special players and then we are ready to really compete. I have been a very angry critic for some time because we never built any foundation. Poor player evaluation and poor coaching choices and the merry go round of the last dozen years is the result. We are finally off that ride it seems so I am once more remembering the images from that grainy Black and white screen as they the kindle the hopes of that kid in me still.
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Based on expectations, I just want to see improvement and growth with the offense, and the defense needs to play to their ability (which they have)
If that happens, I think the Browns finish with a record around .500 and compete in those last 5 games. I'm not saying win, I'm saying you put up a good showing versus your divison rivals. The 41-9 stuff has to go away.
I have said it several times, but I can't say it enough, it would be a lot to me to see this team go into that 5 game stretch to end the year, having those games be meaningful. To have meaningful December football would be very very good towards the health of Browns fans.
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I agree with you but would say in a much shorter fashion... at this point, a successful season is one in which we are fundamentally BETTER than we were last season.
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I agree with you but would say in a much shorter fashion... at this point, a successful season is one in which we are fundamentally BETTER than we were last season.
definitely.
i want to have the feeling that this offense is getting better, and that colt mccoy can be the guy. I don't want to be looking for a qb at the end of the year.
My first hope was that Colt can stay up for all 16. I don't even know if we've had a guy since '99 play all 16? I think no? I'm pretty sure we've had multiple starters every year due to injury or just plain bad play.
I think if he can start 'em all, we will have a great look at what we have in him. Week 1 to week 2 was good, he has another big opportunity to look even better this week. I do like that he can learn this offense on the go without having to face baltimore and pittsburgh until the latter portion of the year, I think that benefited us big time.
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In '99 Couch started 14 games and Detmer 2
In '00 Couch started 7 and Pederson 8 and Wynn 1
In '01 Couch started all 16 games
In '02 Couch started 14 and Holcomb 2
In '03 Couch started 8 and Holcomb 8
In '04 Garcia started 10 and McCown 4 and Holcomb 2
In '05 Dilfer started 11 and Frye 5
In '06 Frye 13 and Anderson 3
In '07 Anderson started 15 and Frye 1
In '08 Anderson started 9 and Dorsey 3 and Quinn 3 and Gradkowski 1
In '09 Quinn started 9 and Anderson 7
In '10 McCoy started 8 and Delhomme 4 and Wallace 4
In '11 McCoy started 2... so far.
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I said for a long time that a successful Browns' season would be just to be competitive in the games they play. Pretty pathetic to say that for as long as I have.
I have been patient. I've been patient for too many damn years.
I'm honestly not even very excited for the first game, and that's rare for me. I'm tired of the losing, tired of people telling me with each regime change that things will change when they never do.
I've been somewhat impressed with last year's draft and hopefully the most recent one will be just as good.
For now, I'm not very excited, and I'm sad that I feel that way.
Yep. Same boring inept crap year after year......
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