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miller ain't ready, but i think over time he'll be fine.

Maybe he's not good but I'm waiting for him to play an entire game before I make that assessment.

Nobody can establish any kind of rythm rotating in and out all the time.

Like I've said all along ... If he's even a servicable QB at the college level then he'll have improved a TON since he got to Ohio State.

I didn't miss the kid play a single game when he was in high school.

I'll be SHOCKED if he can be even decent.

Anybody see Bowling Green blow it yesterday? Down 28-14 late in the 4th, they get 2 td's, the last one with 2 seconds left.....and botched the PAT.

So......Super Conference Update:

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The ACC made it official early Sunday extending invitations to Pittsburgh and Syracuse.

CBSSports.com first reported that both schools were to formally apply to the league. The ACC now moves to 14 teams and may not be through. USA Today reported late Sunday that Rutgers and Connecticut may be next to join the ACC from the Big East.

Duke president Richard Broadhead called the league "a strong, united conference." That's more that can be said now for the Big East and Big 12 which now may have to battle each other for survival. An ACC conference call with media is scheduled for later Sunday morning.

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The ACC will be 16 teams strong soon.

The SEC is trying for a 14th as soon as they can confirm Texas A&M. There is talk about Mizzou and other Big 12 teams coming over too.

The Pac-X is about a day away from nabbing Oklahoma, Ok St, Texas (maybe) and Texas Tech.

The Big 12 is about dead.
The Big East will crumble too.

So I ask, and what is the Big Ten doing during all of this?

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Earlier this month, Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany told the New York Times that his league is fine with 12 members. "We thought a lot about 12 to 14 and 16 when we had the opportunity last year," Delany told the Times. "I don't think that our thinking will change by what others will do. Our view, really, is that it's about quality and not quantity." - LINK

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Is JD playing his cards close or is he just that dumb to not see the Big Ten will need 16 teams?

If to get to 16 we have to pick up scrubs from other conferences, then he's right, quality over quantity...

If we can nab a Mizzou or something, you go for it...

It's hard to say how all of this is going to shake out, but I am sure the SEC will add quality members if it chooses.



I am sure Clemson and Fla State won't be added.


Fla,USC, and Ga are against that in a scratch your back agreement....Fla, USC, and Ga want to be the only SEC team in the state....a big recruiting tool.



My guess is we go A&M and someone from the east.....my guess is WVA or VTech....both are FB schools, not BB schools.

jc...

I think its about time for the conferences to organize into four "superconferences" (pacific, midwest, northeast, south) of 16-18 teams apiece, and do a 8-10 team playoff with a couple berths for mid-majors. For football at least.

J/C... General question for anyone...

What do you think will happen to the MAC, ConfUSA, Mountain West, WAC and even some teams from the Big East? Does everybody think 95% of those teams will just go away... go Independent... form a new conference of the best teams of those left... 1-AA?

I ask because obviously I'm partial to Toledo, though others I think deserve a better fate than what's on the horizon IMO too.

I know it's all about the money... but you'll never convince me Toledo couldn't be a mid level Big Ten team almost immediately if the money were equal. If we joined the Big East tomorrow I think we'd be in play for a top spot in the conference.

Just asking for others thoughts because I honestly have no idea what might become of my team within the next few years.

i think teams like toledo are okay for the next few seasons. they will have someway into whatever gets formed out of the new megaconferences.

it's what happens in the long-term. i'd think, at worst, they get knocked down to 1AA (as I don't think there are enough teams to be their own division)

BTW, doomsday scenario playing out for the Big10. if ACC picks up 2/3 of Notre Dame, Rutgers, UConn, then ACC is done and solidified their conference (so, doubtful that anyone leaves).

if SEC picks up Mizzou to pair with A&M, then who exactly is left that is even worth inviting for the Big10? kansas for bball and they have good academics, but does little for market or football (the biggest driving factors). ouch.

ok, let's break down the current picture since it is ever-changing



ACC - added Syracuse, Pitt. likely adding UConn, Rutgers. exit fee increased to $20mil. all members should be pretty happy about media markets, academics, and Syracuse and Pitt could improve their football w/ move to conference as well. so, noone is likely leaving.

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SEC - added A&M. likely adding WVU (makes too much sense), Mizzou (ditto). The real question is who do they go after for team #16?

1. They could give Kentucky a real Bball threat and open up a new market with Kansas (plus add some historical signficance).

2. They could really shake things up and steal TCU. Add the Dallas market while A&M helps them with the Houston market. And, really try to make a dent in UTx's clamp on the viewers in the state. Houston could be another option, but a lesser one.

3. Louisville is an option, but they don't give much other than having the facilities and a bball program rival of Kentucky. Doubtful.

4. UCF, USF, FIU - doubt any of those SEC region teams want another Florida team to steal recruits in the area. Plus, no cachet. Plus, no new markets. Of those 3, USF makes the most sense.

5. Tulsa - Solid football program, new market, steal some thunder from the teams going to the Pac# and help keep open the Northern Texas recruiting pipeline. Not as good as options 1 and 2, but I'd still list them.

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Big10 - Ugh. So, Maryland, Syracuse, and Rutgers are out of the picture (Maryland was pie-in-the-sky, but still). Even fall-back Pitt is gone.

What does that leave?

1. Notre Dame - they are likely seeing that they will need to join a conference at this point to be competitive. Hate the historical bickering between the conference and ND, but, at some point, it becomes too logical to not just add them in (and have them accept). I thought for sure they would go to the ACC (and they still could instead of Rutgers, which leaves us in worse shape).

2. Navy - I'm clinging to this one (probably irrationally). Opens up Maryland recruiting and the region as well. I've listed the other reasons a million times. Quite frankly, it would be cool.

3. Temple / Villanova - Penn State already has the Philly market though. This would add in more NJ recruits (instead of Rutgers). But, doesn't really do much.

4. Kansas - w/o Mizzou as a rival and a gateway, I don't see it. They add Bball presence but not much in Fball or in market. They meet academic standards, which is a necessivy. They are one of the fallbacks.

5. Iowa State - ouch. this would be a failure by the conference. Love their wrestling program, but really this would give us nothing that the conference doesn't already have today.

6. Miami (OH) - we are not adding another Ohio school. The Buckeyes won't allow it and it doesn't make much sense from a media market standpoint either. However, if we did extend a bid to an Ohio school, then it would be Miami. They have the academics (#90 by US News - would have pressure to improve that), FBall history (cradle of coaches), and would capture the Cinci market (not like Ohio State doesn't).

apologies to Toledo fans on that one (also note: Michigan and Ohio State would be fighting Toledo as they both rely on that region).

7. Army - less likely than Navy, but considering the middling other options, I guess we could combo grab those teams and it would make for a great historical addition. really make the Big10 a throwback conference as well.


Best options of these: ND, Navy, Kansas, and ... well, umm... tiebreaker goes to Army out of respect.

Worst option (ND stays Independent, ACC gets Rutgers, SEC takes Kansas): Navy, Army, Miami(OH), Villanova

This is starting to look bad for the Big Ten. We're moving to a Super Conference world and they are using the "quality over quantity" argument. Well, then fight to add the quality before other conferences add them to their stable!

If ND turns the Big Ten down.....there won't be anything left. Heck, even if ND does join, and that's a big doubt, what are the other 3 you need to stay competitive in the future world of college football? Navy is a good option, I'd be excited for that. I think Kansas, Mizzou, ND and Navy would be ideal.

I gotta say, the Big Ten looked to be the leader in this push last year. They were driving the 16-team conference talk and were going to make all other conferences pick up their scraps. Now, goodness....the Big Ten might not even pick up the scraps the others are leaving. If they stick at 12, it will big a huge mistake and hurt them in the long run.

Too bad.

I'd like to see the SEC add Kansas, personally.

I get it, football is #1 in college sports, and that's why teams are wanting Texas, Oklahoma, etc. and not UCONN and Syracuse as much.

But, the SEC is already going to have Florida, Alabama, Tennessee (historically), Texas A&M, probably Missouri and West Virginia, South Carolina, Georgia, etc.

That's enough football lol.

Give me a basketball powerhouse to add a little bit to our below average basketball conference.

JMO.

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OU Regents authorize Boren to seek new conference
September 19, 2011 5:35 pm
by Tom Fornelli

The Oklahoma Board of Regents met on Monday afternoon and the conference affiliation of Oklahoma was one of the topics that was discussed. While there wasn't any earth-shattering news to come out of the meeting, Oklahoma at least seemed to take the next step in eventually moving from the Big 12 to the Pac 12.

The school has authorized President David Boren to take whatever action he deems necessary in deciding Oklahoma's future. Which doesn't exactly sound like the sort of thing a school that is planning to stick around in its current conference would do.

Especially when Boren himself said afterward that he is "prepared to take those actions" and that he's had "informal conversations with the Pac-12." Conversations that Boren described as "warm" and "constructive."

Sounds like a love connection to me.

While nothing is certain at this point, odds are that if Oklahoma does make the jump to the Pac-12, then it will be bringing Oklahoma State along with it. Texas and Texas Tech have also been mentioned as possible schools to follow this 21st century version of manifest destiny, and Texas' Board of Regents also met on Monday to discuss conference affiliation.


That sound you heard was the death of the Big 12. Well...Big 12 and Big East are trying to join together to become a bag of poo ( LINK2 ). Not sure what that will be.

I bet Boise State is laughing at TCU now...

BSU joins the MWC to make a Non AQ "Super Conference" and everyone leaves...

TCU agrees to join the Big East to get AQ status... and everybody leaves...

TCU might end up in the SEC. Boise is completely shut out of the Pac16 if the OU, OkState, Tx, and Tech join.

I'd say TCU is still a bit giddier

I'd like UCONN and Texas.

In the Big Ten? Not gonna happen (though I'm sure you know that - just stating your wish list). There's probably a better chance Toledo and Bowling Green get extended invitations to join the Big Ten before those two.

It's almost comical.....the Big 12, SEC, ACC, Big East and the Pac-X are in the news every day about realignment and the Big Ten hasn't made a peep in weeks. Like I said above, they're either planning something BIG.....or they're at home sitting on their thumbs too dumb to make a move for the future. We'll see...

Louisville makes no sense to me. It is about TV markets and football on the forefront. Louisville does absolutely nothing for the SEC on that front.

A&M, Mizzou, Kansas, WVU - those all add markets and football (except Kansas which adds basketball prestige)

After what the ACC has done, I doubt VaTech leaves and there was no way UVa was leaving the ACC.

Mizzou has SEC off but SEC willing to wait.

By MIKE DeARMOND
The Kansas City Star

COLUMBIA | The Southeastern Conference has an offer on the table for Missouri to join its league, and SEC officials are willing to wait for an answer from Missouri until the future of the Big 12 is decided.

That information has come to The Star through a Mizzou booster who spoke directly to a MU official. Another source told The Star on Tuesday that an Oklahoma official had said the SEC is interested in Missouri.

MU chancellor Brady Deaton has gone on record numerous times that, as chairman of the Big 12’s Board of Directors, he is working on keeping the Big 12 together.

But with Texas and Oklahoma regents each authorizing school officials to look elsewhere on Monday, the prospects of a viable Big 12 without either or both of those schools would be in question.

“Apparently they’ve come to us,” the MU booster said of the SEC. “I’ve been told there is an offer on the table.”

That same source said it was the second time the SEC has made an overture to Missouri, the first coming last year.

“After the Big Ten thing started falling apart,” the source said of the summer of 2010, “they wanted to talk to us. We didn’t talk to them.”

The “legitimate interest,” the booster said, came at a point when remaining Big 12 members agreed to stick together in spite of Nebraska going to the Big Ten Conference and Colorado to the Pac-10 last year.

Considering the threat of legal action against Texas A&M and the SEC raised by Baylor, Missouri and the SEC would prefer to keep an offer to MU under wraps until the Big 12 actually ceases to be a viable entity.

It is unclear exactly who would be the person or persons at Missouri to make a decision on the SEC offer.

Some believe Deaton may be the decision maker, or that it could be interim University of Missouri system president Steve Owens. Or, the issue could be brought before the Missouri Board of Curators.

Missouri officials have consistently refused to comment on specific speculation about Missouri’s future, other than to note Deaton was working at trying to keep the Big 12 Conference viable.

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09...haos/?src=twrhp


http://www.commoncensus.org/sports_hotsp...128&sport=5

Personally, I can't say the overall #'s are that good (You'd have a hard time convincing me that schools like Michigan, Texas, Notre Dame and Penn State have under 3 million fans)

but overall, it's a good read and could be a good barometer for judging how many fans a fanbase has

Other than to pull up their academics, why would anybody want UVa?

Just after I posted the above, I found this...

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Navy nearly to Big East before Pitt, SU exited
September 20, 2011 5:53 pm

Before the sudden news broke last weekend that Pittsburgh and Syracuse were leaving for the Atlantic Coast Conference, the Big East was in the final stages of acquiring Navy as a football-only member.

No official invitation was extended by the league, but both parties had extensive discussions about Navy joining the league in football only and it very well could have happened in the next couple of weeks, college football industry sources told CBSSports.com.

Besides Navy, the Big East also was targeting Air Force and league sources felt confident both schools would have been Big East members, perhaps within the next year – that is until Pitt and Syracuse announced they were leaving for the ACC.

“Navy is one of the most special things out there, prestige,” said an administrator who would benefit from Navy being in a BCS league.

“I don't see why Air Force doesn’t fit in a BCS league,” said the same person. “Class, class, class.”

However, with the Big East’s future now in limbo, it’s uncertain if Navy and/or Air Force will remain interested in joining either a Big East without Pitt and Syracuse or a merger of leftover teams from the Big East and Big 12 conferences. That is, in fact, if the Big 12 loses Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas and Texas Tech to the Pac-12.

Navy is one of four independents with Army, Notre Dame and BYU, but doesn’t enjoy the automatic qualifying BCS access that Notre Dame does. Navy is in solid shape now with its own television deal, but with the division growing by the second between the automatic qualifying BCS leagues and non-AQ BCS leagues, Navy might feel it has better long-term security in an AQ BCS league.

“There were discussions and dialogues on a number of issues,” said an individual with knowledge of the talks between Navy and the Big East. “The question now is: what is the Big East going to look like in the future? How do they right the ship? I don’t think they even know that.”

Meanwhile, Tuesday night in New York, the league’s presidents and athletic directors from Cincinnati, UConn, Louisville, Rutgers, South Florida and West Virginia will meet with Big East commissioner John Marinatto to discuss the league’s future.
The meeting is for the league’s decision makers to gather face-to-face and see who wants to be a part of the Big East’s future.

“If they don’t want to be in the league, then they should make their intentions known and leave,” said one league official.

Also on Monday officials from Big East schools and the Big 12 schools proposed meeting Wednesday in Chicago to discuss the possible merger between the conferences. However, it was decided that meeting would that not be held because of legal issues involving both leagues.

UConn and Rutgers have been reported as possible candidates to the ACC, while West Virginia targeted the ACC or SEC, but was notified that neither league was interested.

Wow, crazy stuff going on.

I first read from No_logo that Navy should join the Big Ten...but why can't the Big Ten grab Army and Air Force too? That could be a good deal to get ND in the mix. All of those teams are decent TV draws (Navy and ND already have their own TV deals, not networks). And they all have the academics too.

Too insane?

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Navy should join the Big Ten...but why can't the Big Ten grab Army and Air Force too? That could be a good deal to get ND in the mix.

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Then Ohio States schedule wouldn't have to get any harder.

Now that it looks like Mizzu is going to the SEC then I hope the B1G gets ND, Navy, Rutgers and Kansas. But as others have said it looks like JD is sitting on his hands. Not sure why unless they feel that even if the rest go to 16 they can stay at 12. /shrug

I personally was wishing they pulled off Texas, OU, Kansas and Mizz but that is a pipe dream that will never happen.

No doubt Missouri makes sense for the SEC as they share a border with Tenn., Ky., and Ark.

Don't trust ESPN.

There have been whispers that they are just throwing out "sources" to apply public pressure on Texas to join the PAC in order to keep them away from B1G and this thread in this forum is a pretty nice example. Just like how the whole "Notre Dame prefers ACC to B1G" 'report' came out today, yet on ESPN today, there was not one shred of factual evidence or testament from someone out of ND. It was pure opinion by a writer. Fact is, ESPN has so much vested interest in this subject and they will do whatever it takes to keep their $$$ flowing in and away from the rival BTN. I just wish more people realized this.

ESPN will crawl through hell to keep Texas out of the Big 10

Texas will become independent. Everything I've read says they dont want to share any revenue.

I don't like the 16 teams conferences. Theres only so many games in a year. Having 16 teams is pretty stupid. Even if you have 9 conference games, there will be 7 teams in your own conference, who you don't play. That's no way to determine a conference champion. The money in college football is ruining the game in my opinion.They're doing things sorely on how much money they could make, rather doing what's best for the game.

I agree that most of the stuff on ND has been opinion, but it has been opinion that has started from the halls of ND. last year, when all of this mess was going on, ND kept not only talking down leaving their independence, but also throwing a few jabs in to the Big10.

they already travel for all of their sports, they wouldn't mind doing it in the ACC and I think it makes sense for them (as much as the Big10 and that is where I personally want them).

also, for all this talk about Delaney sitting on his hands, the Pac16 deal seems like it is falling through again (Scott power move to try to apply TX to accept revenue sharing). If the Big10 can talk TX into pairing up with Baylor instead of Tech (for academic reasons), then I could see them pushing hard for them again.

Oklahoma is #101 (but rising and could be given pressure to do more so), but OkieState is just #131. Wonder if Boone Pickens can give their research departments a big $$$ boost (or promise one) to help get their numbers up.

the one reason I can see Delaney being quiet through all of this is to be working hard on trying to land premier schools. I love the idea of Navy, but they will still be there when the dust settles (unless the ACC swoops in).

IMO, money spoiled college football the minute they started charging for admittance 100+ years ago. It's been a dirty, greedy business since.

As far as the schedule goes, it would be fine for 12-team conferences. Team A plays the other 7 teams in their division every year no matter what. They can they rotate 4 teams from the other division each year. That's 11 games. That leaves open one non-conference weekend. A team would be more than welcome to schedule a mid-major or a team from another 16-team conference.

The winners of each division play in the title game....BAM, automatic BCS playoff invite (if there was a playoff). And each of the other conferences would work the same.

I think it would work fine. The problem is, I don't know if we'll see four 16-team super conferences. Too much can go wrong. One conference will have 20, one will have 12, one will stick at 14 and we'll have a few independents floating around (Texas, ND).

The college football landscape will be messy....but no more messy than it was 5, 15 or 50 years ago.

good read. disagree with the method of obtaining the numbers and what some of them are, but the author discloses that he has to make educated guesses on many of them upfront, so it's a good exercise.

one thing not mentioned is how some of the schools not in BCS conferences would be affected in their fanbase by joining one (for instance, Houston has a huge alumni base that doesn't care much about their football team. but, if they were back to competing with Texas, they would come out in force).