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I hate the "They don't show downfield" excuse lol.
You don't have to look downfield for Robiskie ... When they're showing Colt dropping back to pass, you can see 2-3 yards past the line of scrimmage.
Look there, you'll find Robiskie.
That is a pile of poo... you won't ALWAYS see Robo 2-3 yards past the LOS.. My guess is you saw it once or twice and think it's always happening.
As for you thinking that they don't show down field is an excuse.. how do you propose we see what's happening down there if the don't show it?
This I gotta hear... 
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You don't need to see down the field. He's usually not downfield. Sure, he isn't ALWAYS jammed at the line of scrimmage, but that's like saying your posts aren't ALWAYS ludicrous. 
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Good God dude! You said the same un-clever thing four times in a row.
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I'm not trying to be clever? He asked how he's supposed to see down field if they don't show it. Apparently the first 3 times I said you don't need to see downfield wasn't enough, hence the fourth time. 
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I'm not trying to be clever?
He asked how he's supposed to see down field if they don't show it.
Apparently the first 3 times I said you don't need to see downfield wasn't enough, hence the fourth time.
I don't really care how many times you say it, it still won't make a lick of sense. You can repeat yourself until Pink Pigs can fly.. it will still be wrong.
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I think Django will be right about Colt unfortunately.
However I still think it was smart to avoid Blaine Gabbert.
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I'm not sure at all that he'll be right about Colt. I still like what I see from him so far. I like his decision making most of the time, and he's got just enough physical talent to make it happen if he can grasp everything mentally.
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That's where my thought process is on Colt as well.
Teams are going to stack the line against us every game.
I want to see if Colt can make them pay.
I think that will be very telling as we move throughout the season.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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It's kind of funny, his arm has gotten significantly better. However the fact he has played in a spread is starting to hurt him mentally.
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He knows where he's going with the ball before the play. No progressions at all.
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You're definitely seeing something I'm not... 
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You're definitely seeing something I'm not...
He stares down recievers and if his first option is covered he checks down.
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I haven't seen that. Staring down recievers is cop out IMO, for people looking to bash a QB. I've seen the best look to the designated receiver many times right off the bat. The problem is that if he is covered and you still throw it. Colt has been said to be adequate at looking off the safety. If he stares at the primary and he is covered, and he checks down, isn't that the way it is supposed to work? 
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They miss Delhomme when he would shut his eyes, turn his back to the defense and sling it up for grabs 
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He knows where he's going with the ball before the play. No progressions at all.
in the colts game, the announcers kept showing examples of how he DOES go thru progression. examples, something people never use on this board.
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He knows where he's going with the ball before the play. No progressions at all.
in the colts game, the announcers kept showing examples of how he DOES go thru progression. examples, something people never use on this board.
Yeah...but...this one time.. I read somebody say something here...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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If he stares at the primary and he is covered, and he checks down, isn't that the way it is supposed to work?
If a QB only makes one read then looks to dump down, that is a bad thing. QBs have to read defenses and look for a 2nd or 3rd option before checking down.
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yup, they showed at least 3 highlights of him going through his progressions.
But the thing is with a progression of reads...if you have 2 WRs that are working in the same line of sight...you wont physically see it. Players use peripheral vision, and thats how they can see it.
I dont quite understand how we can bash him...national media praises him, local media does the same...analysts in the booth give him praise...our FO, coaching staff, and teammates give him praise...but on the board he is a bum because he sometimes holds it too long and doesnt laser 40 yard rockets through the eye of a needle.
Get off of it...if you want something to gripe about, get on our LBs or RT position, or WRs...not Colt.
He is quite possibly the least of our worries...
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It's kind of funny, his arm has gotten significantly better. However the fact he has played in a spread is starting to hurt him mentally.
It's the 2nd half of this, the " is starting to hurt him mentally." part, that I have trouble beleiving.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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I think Django will be right about Colt unfortunately.
However I still think it was smart to avoid Blaine Gabbert.
The problem is, Django falls in love with someone (gabbert in this case) and then if we don't take them in the draft, or pick them up in FA, He beats on the player we do have. Finding things wrong that aren't wrong.
I've stuck with one theory on Colt McCoy.. it's too soon to know. But as many have said, so far, I like what I see.
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The kid has not even played a full season yet and is on his second O-coordinator and offense. Your 100 percent correct about us not knowing about Colt yet, hell if we judged Sipe, and Kosar on their 1st ten games many people on this board would have been calling them bums and screaming that we needed to cut them and draft the next Mike Phipps
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The kid has not even played a full season yet and is on his second O-coordinator and offense. Your 100 percent correct about us not knowing about Colt yet, hell if we judged Sipe, and Kosar on their 1st ten games many people on this board would have been calling them bums and screaming that we needed to cut them and draft the next Mike Phipps
Without a doubt..
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The problem is, Django falls in love with someone (gabbert in this case) and then if we don't take them in the draft, or pick them up in FA, He beats on the player we do have
Trust me I am well aware.
It's starting to show with Greg Little. Since we didn't draft Randall Cobb (whom he wanted) he will say Little sucks.
However I hate QBs with a weak arm.
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wheres Django?!
COLT!
I guarantee, when Django shows up, he'll first say,, he's happy that colt got us down the field for a TD to win the game, But then he'll proceed to pick him apart. he'll tell us that Montario Hardesty was lucky today and that Littles catches were a fluke.. he'll go on to say that Sheard and Taylor were wasted picks.. 
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He was clutch today. I will not deny this at all. He showed great poise.
However he struggled badly today.
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I agree he got a major clutch win under his belt today but looked aweful for most the game. I dont think anyone can say he cant throw deep though as he over threw Cribbs by 5 yards which was proably 50 yds in the air.
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Big difference between throwing far and throwing a good deep ball. The fact that he overthrew him by so much suggests that he can't throw deep.
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Big difference between throwing far and throwing a good deep ball. The fact that he overthrew him by so much suggests that he can't throw deep.
In other words: You're not happy with a win because things weren't perfect. Got it.
By the way, the Browns won today. Not sure if some people are aware of that. The Browns - who most said would have 3-5 wins all season.....they won.
Was it perfect? No. Not close.
But just for an evening, can people take the cruddy attitude and drop it in the lake? Just for an evening?
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Amen. I'm enjoying the win.
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i dont mean to rag on django...
we just finally saw what was said he couldnt do. He didnt have a great game...but he played well when we needed to and played well enough to win. thats good enough for me. We win a game when we had to...and we beat a desparate team, and we made a lot of mistakes...
Colt didnt have a very good throwing game, but he did what he needed to to win
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In other words: You're not happy with a win because things weren't perfect. Got it.
Where did he say that?
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But just for an evening, can people take the cruddy attitude and drop it in the lake?
LOL
Have you paid attention to your own posting?
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Big difference between throwing far and throwing a good deep ball. The fact that he overthrew him by so much suggests that he can't throw deep.
And no QB has every overthown a deep ball in the NFL? Keep hearing no arm strength cant throw a deep ball, well guess what he just did. If he had waited just 1 sec more he would have hit cribbs in stride and had a TD. It will come.
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COLT!
He did it today on the last drive, on the last throw...absolutely that throw did a 180 on his day (what would your grade on him be without that 1? and I'm not trying to be negative or playing devil's advocate here: just remembering that there were 38 throws before that 1) and rightfully so and it was a pocket throw too...that's progress right there
the rest was pretty awful but I still liked it as I think Shurmur clearly ordered him to play more pocket QB today, that's the main reason he looked worse today than even in the 1st 2 games for the most time but you knwo what? that ALSO was the reason for the TD pass...that was a NFL throw...it wasn't good looking (wobbler) but it was pinpoint accurate.
So while he looked worse overall it was absolutely necessary to take the next step and I'm happy that they at least try it (good sign of confidence, although Shurmur looked pretty POed mid game) and he seemed committed more to stay in the pocket.
I won't nitpick tonight as I'm abolutely pumped about that win (watched with a Phins buddy ! haha, in your face !)...and there's still lot's of criticism out there but that's for tomorrow or this upcoming week
My fav play though was the 3rd down before the TD...that was all brains, recognizing the OLB vacating the underneath zone on a blitz...just because he's good at that I don't take it for granted, esp. not in that situtation...that was Colt knowing what's coming and outfoxing it. Good sign!
So overall I think it was a necessary step back for Colt to make the proper adjustemtns to become a real NFL QB.....and with a VERY nice glimpse and outlook of what those adjustments could lead to with his last throw....more of that please
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In other words: You're not happy with a win because things weren't perfect. Got it.
Where did he say that?
He didn't say that. I did. That's why I said "so, in other words......"
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LOL
Have you paid attention to your own posting?
Well, since my posts are my posts, I guess I would have to answer you with "yes".
Is there something specific you are referring to as far as my posts and the Browns? If so, please mention it. Hate to admit it, but there are times I post after imbibing. Perhaps I've been negative about the Browns on here and don't remember? Thanks in advance.
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I think he played pretty mediocre for the whole day. Several good decisions with poor execution, but he got it done when he needed to. The whole final drive was great. regardless of how Miami played it, it was delightful.
The TD drives were great...the non-TD drives were subpar...thats how its seemingly been all year. As long as we can add more TD/good looking drives per game we're in good shape
Mistakes and poor play isnt a horrible thing...as long as they improve
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Colt has done every single thing that people have said he couldn't do, he just hasn't put it all together yet and he doesn't do it consistently yet...
People seem to forget as they pick things apart that our entire receiving corps... basically EVERY option we have to catch a pass including MoMass, Cribbs, Robo, Little, Norwood, Watson, Moore, Smith, Hillis, Marecic, and Hardesty have a combined 699 career receptions... by comparison, Hines Ward has 963 by himself... (and if you consider Watson and Smith before they got here, we don't have a single receiver with more than 100 career catches with the Browns).... we are THAT young at receiver.
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i dont mean to rag on django...
we just finally saw what was said he couldnt do. He didnt have a great game...but he played well when we needed to and played well enough to win. thats good enough for me. We win a game when we had to...and we beat a desparate team, and we made a lot of mistakes...
Colt didnt have a very good throwing game, but he did what he needed to to win
Let's be honest here, Colt had a horrible day.. So did the entire Offense. NOT just Colt McCoy.. But when it counted, he showed up and got the win.
I'm not exactly sure what the problem that some people have with that..
Oh,, and I do mean to pick on Django.. I think he likes it when we do that
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j/c... I don't see the ragging on the throw to Cribbs. I thought it was terrific. Put it deep in a place only his guy could catch it. He caught it. Isn't that what QBs are supposed to do? Also, how 'bout that Mohammed Massaquoi? Has he made progress this year or what? Greg Little is a monster. I said after the draft I thought he was the best pick from the group, but Taylor and Sheard are making that a tough claim to back up.
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