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I still find it laughable that anybody thinks they can make a judgement on Colt one way or they other this soon 
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especially when every game he appears to be working on the things he doesnt do well, and he gives himself tape to improve upon himself.
This week he absolutely gave himself great tape to see where and when he should be throwing the ball to his guys. Or, where they should be and they arent if they arent running the correct routes.
This week will give him great tape. He held in the pocket and cocked to throw a number of times...now he can dissect the plays and see where the ball should have gone, where it should be going, and who is open and who is running routes the correct way
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Well you know how it is GM,, around here on this board, we got some Gurus that know it all.. Are absolutly sure they know more than Holmgren, Heckert and Shurmur. We even have some that if you tell them you are going to take the word of a Holmgren over thier word, it's a insult. Can you imagine how awful I am to think that Holmgren may know more about QB's in particular and football in general than some of them? 
I've been steadfast in my belief that you can't tell if a QB is any good until you get the pieces and parts around him. I also believe that when you change systems, you are going to have plenty of mistakes.. but if you change systems and your team is relatively young,, man you are REALLY going to have growing pains.
CLearly, some folks believe that a QB is born, comes out of the womb a finished product 
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For me, I see some positive signs that Colt is improving. His pocket presence has improved. I actually see NFL caliber throws. Every now and then he throws a beauty that makes you think, man the kid just might have it.
I also see things that make me believe he will never get it. The mental meltdowns of throwing it to Mack and then the pick 6 yesterday. The dead throw to a wide open Ben Watson. I really wonder what kind of arm he is going to have in Nov and Dec. If the D isn't great, can Colt win?
The timing is bad off with the offense but it has improved. Also our 2 most talented receivers are a converted QB and a converted RB that are trying to learn how to play the position. The pass protection is improving and it looks like our run game is going to be fierce.
Bottom line is that we are 4 games into a 16 game season. We are 1 game out of first place. Colt might still be the answer but we should do our due diligence in scouting this quarterback class as if we have no quarterback.
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I think you can judge certain things, but not the whole product.
One thing I'm worried about is his accuracy. It seemed to me that he was having trouble hitting guys in stride.
The decision making will come to him, and I think that will make him look a lot better. He'll be able to throw the ball to where the receiver will be, vs throwing when the receiver gets open.
Like I said, the accuracy thing has me a little worried.
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Well you know how it is GM,, around here on this board, we got some Gurus that know it all.. Are absolutly sure they know more than Savage and Crennel. We even have some that if you tell them you are going to take the word of a Savage over thier word, it's a insult. Can you imagine how awful I am to think that Savage may know more about QB's in particular and football in general than some of them?
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I've been steadfast in my belief that you can't tell if a QB is any good until you get the pieces and parts around him.
And your beliefs have been fundamentally flawed.
You want to look at results to determine if a qb can play.
I want to be able to look at tools to determine if a qb can play.
If your premise were the one to base a QB's validity on, there would be no need for advanced scouting departments.
It didn't take good players around him to tell us all that Frye was a failure. It didn't take a great line and receivers for us all to see Frye couldn't throw a spiral to save his life, or that his accuracy was bad.
To this point, it doesn't take a stable of players to show us Colt throws an ugly, wobbly ball more than probably any starting qb in the league. We've also seen him make some really inaccurate throws to wide open guys. He's just like Quinn in that he's not on target when throwing more than the short stuff.
So it's time for people to stop using this supposed lack of talent around McCoy as an excuse for his play. He needs to carry his own cross for the things he isn't doing well, and those aren't difficult things to see. They are the most basic fundamentals. Being able to throw a spiral. Basic accuracy. They don't get any more simple than that.
There are reasons why the entire offense is failing. Anyone placing all the blame on McCoy are off target. However, Colt has been a big part of that problem. It's very easy to see.
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Well you know how it is GM,, around here on this board, we got some Gurus that know it all.. Are absolutly sure they know more than Savage and Crennel. We even have some that if you tell them you are going to take the word of a Savage over thier word, it's a insult. Can you imagine how awful I am to think that Savage may know more about QB's in particular and football in general than some of them?
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I've been steadfast in my belief that you can't tell if a QB is any good until you get the pieces and parts around him.
And your beliefs have been fundamentally flawed.
You want to look at results to determine if a qb can play.
I want to be able to look at tools to determine if a qb can play.
If your premise were the one to base a QB's validity on, there would be no need for advanced scouting departments.
It didn't take good players around him to tell us all that Frye was a failure. It didn't take a great line and receivers for us all to see Frye couldn't throw a spiral to save his life, or that his accuracy was bad.
To this point, it doesn't take a stable of players to show us Colt throws an ugly, wobbly ball more than probably any starting qb in the league. We've also seen him make some really inaccurate throws to wide open guys. He's just like Quinn in that he's not on target when throwing more than the short stuff.
So it's time for people to stop using this supposed lack of talent around McCoy as an excuse for his play. He needs to carry his own cross for the things he isn't doing well, and those aren't difficult things to see. They are the most basic fundamentals. Being able to throw a spiral. Basic accuracy. They don't get any more simple than that.
There are reasons why the entire offense is failing. Anyone placing all the blame on McCoy are off target. However, Colt has been a big part of that problem. It's very easy to see.
To further prove your point Toad just look at Indy...without Manning the WR core looks BAD. Point is the QB makes the WR not the other way around!
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You think Shaun Hill looks good without Calvin Johnson? i dont.
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Shaun Hill had a QB rating of about 85 in SF. He's had a QB rating of about 83 in detroit.
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You think Shaun Hill looks good without Calvin Johnson? i dont.
He looked pretty good in SF...
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agreed! its way too soon.....we need to be patient and give the kid a chance to grow.
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I've been pretty hard on him since Sunday, but after just watching the NFLN and seeing what guys like Romo are doing, and watching Ben run for his life while overthrowing receivers and fumbling. I think I'm going to step back and chill a little. Hopefully he will come around, but missing wide open guys is unsettling, especially when they are only 5-10 yards away.
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I dont think its fair to say that a WR cant make a QB, there are exceptions, Larry Fitz can make a QB (just not DA) look much better, as can Megatron and others. Schaub isnt as good if he doesnt have Andre Johnson. Matt Ryan isnt as good without Roddy White and Ben certainly isnt as good without Mike Wallace.
Its about finding guys that compliment each other. And guys being on the same page. Team wins, not players. not in the nfl
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I got it,, it's just not accurate,, My feelings are that there are those out there that actually think they know more than folks that make a living coaching an NFL Team. Not those that think they are smarter than just Crennell and Savage, But everyone that's been in power in this orgainzation since 1999. And that seems to include Holmgren, Heckert and Shurmur.
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And your beliefs have been fundamentally flawed.
You want to look at results to determine if a qb can play.
I want to be able to look at tools to determine if a qb can play.
See this is exactly what I was talking about.. You somehow feel as if you know more than the people in charge right now. Thus making your comment about RAC and Savage inaccurate.. just like I said.
I want to make this as clear as I can.. I don't know if Colt McCoy is the answer. But those in power, who I happen to respect, seem to think he's worth the looksee.
With all that is new here, coach, systems and the youth movement among players, anyone that thinks we aren't going to see growing pains is just plain fooling themselves.
By the way, it won't be the first time Holmgren was wrong about a QB.. Remember Majic Man, Don Majkowski of GB? Decent QB but not the long term answer which is why Wolf and Holmgren went after Favre.
Point I'm trying to make here is that if they decide at one point that Colt isn't the answer, I have faith they will go out and get someone that is.
I'll bet you a buck right now, that even if we have the #1 pick in the draft next year, They won't draft Luck.
That is not what Holmgren has ever done. I just don't think he's going to change his ways now.
But for the moment, you can't make me believe you know more than them.
I gotta say this as a disclaimer, time may prove you right. But I think it's too soon to call.
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The lack of talent does have some validity to it.
What skill position players do we have that would play significant time for teams like the Packers and Saints? Hillis? Little maybe?
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Evan Moore would probably have ten TDs if he played with Brees or Rodgers.
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he'd have four now if he didn't have to poop and tried on fade routes.
Also, wasn't he let go by Green Bay? He probably wouldn't be on the field.
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And unfortunately, since 1999 our coaches have done nothing to prove them wrong. 
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If this team has the #1 overall pick, and passes on a once in a generation type QB like Luck, I may personally drive to Berea with my trusty baseball bat and beat someone's skull in,  That being said, I don't expect us to have the #1 overall pick. If I had to guess, I would guess that we wind up with around 6 or 7 wins ....(entirely possible given the easy schedule we face) and probably picking around 9-10. I suspect that the Falcons will wind up around 9 wins ..... and then we'll also pick wherever that lands us.
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My feelings are that there are those out there that actually think they know more than folks that make a living coaching an NFL Team.
And unfortunately, since 1999 our coaches have done nothing to prove them wrong.
I really wish that weren't the case, but it may well be.. The problem is, I will not accept that Holmgren and Heckert fall into that catagorie and THAT'S what we are talking about today.
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If this team has the #1 overall pick, and passes on a once in a generation type QB like Luck, I may personally drive to Berea with my trusty baseball bat and beat someone's skull in,
That being said, I don't expect us to have the #1 overall pick. If I had to guess, I would guess that we wind up with around 6 or 7 wins ....(entirely possible given the easy schedule we face) and probably picking around 9-10. I suspect that the Falcons will wind up around 9 wins ..... and then we'll also pick wherever that lands us.
It doesn't have to be us, it could be Atlantas pick 
Anyway, through two drafts with the Browns and several with the seahawks, Holmgren has been in a position to move up to grab a "can't miss' QB.. it's been within reach. And while it appears he's dangled his feet in the water, he hasn't jumped in.
My guess, and it really is only a guess, is that neither Holmgren or Heckert are the type to throw thier weight behind a top QB.. in fact, I think they'll do what they did this year and trade down to aquire more picks.
It may not be what you want to hear. But I bet it's real.
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But but Luck is a can't miss super human QB.. He will probably be this years Superbowl MVP and not even be in the NFL yet. /sarcasm off
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Not only that, but you could probably get a kings ransom for the #1 pick this year (ie Luck). I would definitely consider trading down if some team went Ditka on us with an offer (and they just might for Luck). Repeat to yourself, "there is no such thing as a sure thing QB draft pick in the NFL."
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I got it,, it's just not accurate,, My feelings are that there are those out there that actually think they know more than folks that make a living coaching an NFL Team. Not those that think they are smarter than just Crennell and Savage, But everyone that's been in power in this orgainzation since 1999. And that seems to include Holmgren, Heckert and Shurmur.
Sure. It's called being a fan. But that doesn't necessarily mean they are wrong. Policy and Co. were wrong about Couch. Savage was wrong about Frye, Quinn and Anderson. Josh McDAniels was wrong about Quinn and Hillis and to this point Tebow. And it's absolutely possible that Holmgren is wrong about Colt. That's yet to be determined, but so far Colt isn't showing enough to say he's a safe bet.
So far in the tenure of the last 12 years, the fans who have shouted against the every single person in charge of the Browns have been right. That card doesn't have the strength around here that it does in New England.
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See this is exactly what I was talking about.. You somehow feel as if you know more than the people in charge right now. Thus making your comment about RAC and Savage inaccurate.. just like I said.
If I'm now personally part of the conversation, then I'll say without any hesitation that I was right about Couch, Frye, and Quinn, and to this point, I'm right about Colt. That cannot even be disputed. Those QB's all failed, and the people responsible for taking them........you know........the one's who are paid and therefore know better than me.......were ALL FIRED.
It's 100% accurate, and indisputable. The fans against those guys were right and the people in charge were wrong. Fact.
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I want to make this as clear as I can.. I don't know if Colt McCoy is the answer. But those in power, who I happen to respect, seem to think he's worth the looksee.
Then I'll in turn also say this as plainly as possible: I'm not at all encouraged by what I see from Colt. In two seasons he hasn't answered any one single question I had about him coming out of college. But I'm not ready to absolutely say he's a waste of a pick, just as I did say about Couch, Frye, and Quinn. The ONLY reason I didn't come out and say that on draft day was because unlike all the rest that have come before him, I have enough respect and belief in Holmgren as a QB evaluator to make me stop short of saying what I felt.
That doesn't make them absolutely right, nor does it give them invincibility against criticism or being wrong.
So until Colt proves Holmgren right, us fans who aren't seeing the tools that Holmgren felt he has are going to talk. Just because they are paid to do the job doesn't necessarily mean they do know more than we do when it comes to any single QB. The NFL is littered with QB's who paid pro's have put faith in only to watch them fail. The success rate of QB's who weren't drafted in the 1st round is poor. There's no getting around that. The fact that Holmgren made the selection doesn't give him a pass. He took a gamble on a guy who doesn't have ideal tools. That made him a less-than ideal selection. I refuse to fall in line just because Holmgren says he's going to be good. No fan should do that, not if they are critical thinkers. And D, I'm not saying you aren't. By my own humble ( ) opinion you're a smart cat! I'm just stating that toeing the company line on Colt isn't something fans are expected to do.
The bottom line here is that some fans will be right and some will be wrong. Some thought Frye and Quinn would set the world on fire. Some thought they were bums. Those same people will get it wrong about other QB's. Hell, I thought Joey Harrington would be the perfect fit for the WCO in Detroit. D'oh! But the indisputable fact right now is that Frye isn't showing us the tools needed to be a winning QB in the NFL. Can he change that? Yes, there's time. But not much because he isn't that special.
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Thank you, ,then you basically admit that you don't know for sure which is all I was looking for.
I've been saying all along, I don't know if Colts the one. Won't pretend to know either.. But I'm also not sure he won't be a great NFL QB.
This I do know, As long as he's here and they keep trotting him out there to start, they think he's the best we got. And they are probably right. I recognize that doesn't mean he's the one for the long haul either.
But this constant banging on the kid without any regard for what surrounds him, or the changes that they are trying to institute seems absolutly childish to me. Completely unreasonable.
You can't possibly KNOW for sure that he's not the one. Just like they Probably aren't sure he is.
I hope to hell you understand my position now.. if not, then I'm guessing there isn't much else to discuss on the matter cause I ain't changing my thinking.
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Yes indeed you are personally one of the people I referred to, but don't take it as if I'm angry,, I recognize you have an opinion.. no problem there.
As for being right about Couch,, OK,, the result says you were,, But injuries, misuse, bad game planning, less than solid teammates and being rushed into play when he really wasn't ready had a hand in his failure.. I don't know that if all those other things were corrected, he might have made it.. Don't know and we will never know.
Frye,, OK,,I gotta give you that one.. I was totally wrong about frye and I'll eat crow on it.
Quinn, I'm guessing you are right about him also and if forced to, I'd say he's done. but he's still in the league and you just never know what can happen.
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Those QB's all failed, and the people responsible for taking them........you know........the one's who are paid and therefore know better than me.......were ALL FIRED.
It's 100% accurate, and indisputable. The fans against those guys were right and the people in charge were wrong. Fact.
You are lumping Colt into the failure list and again,, I ain't buying it.
Yes, those guys were all fired,, each of them is still in the league in one capacity or the other.
Every coach gets fired.. they are hired to be fired I think is the old saying.. Look at Mike Shanahan.. wins two superbowls in Denver,, 6 or 7 years without a SB win or appearence,,, BOOM,, Fired. Belichick,, Fired from the Browns/Ravens,, goes on to win 3 superbowls with NE.
Those guys being fired don't make you smarter than them.. It's very easy to sit in your living room and say you know this or you know that.. but you don't have the full knowledge of the circumstances they had to deal with.
You have no idea the pressure that Savage was under (if he was and I assume he was) to find the next great QB.., so he went for the local kid. Not once, but twice.. in hindsight,, bad moves.. Maybe going for Bradford last year would have resulted in the same thing.. The difference being, Heckert and Holmgren didnt go for it.
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Who says I'm towing the company line? Just because I refuse to believe Colt McCoy is a finished product and can't be or get any better as you seem to think?
Yeah, I'm a "smart cat" as you put it, smart enough to know that I don't know enough to say one way or the other, when guys that are paid to know are still trying to evaluate him for themselves..
Having said all of that.. let me repeat something: Colt may be out there for one reason and one reason only,, because he's the best we got at the moment. The powers in control may have already decided that he's not the one and no way in hell are they going to tell us that at this point.. certainly not 4 games into the season..
We'll really know what they think of him next season.. that's when the real truth will come out. If they stick with him while you and others are still saying he's not the one, then I think it will be safe to say,, they don't agree with you. Still, that doesn 't make you wrong and them right.. truth be told, only time will tell us that.
For my part, I just freakin wanna win. I'm tired of all this garbage.. If taking Luck next year is what we do,, GREAT.. let's get it done and move forward.
But I fear that if Luck doesn't come in, light it up from the first Coin Toss, we'll be having this very same discussion about him..,
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Having said all of that.. let me repeat something: Colt may be out there for one reason and one reason only,, because he's the best we got at the moment. The powers in control may have already decided that he's not the one and no way in hell are they going to tell us that at this point.. certainly not 4 games into the season..
I wouldn't know how I felt if that were the case. I'd rather be wrong than right about McCoy.
I also never took anything you said as being angry. I just didn't agree 
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I'm not at all encouraged by what I see from Colt. In two seasons he hasn't answered any one single question I had about him coming out of college.
Come on, man. While you may be "technically" correct in your "in 2 seasons....." statement, he had, what, 8 starts last year? As a rookie.
This year, under a new coach as well as a new offense, he has 5 starts. That's not even one season, let alone "two".
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Technically speaking, yeah, you're right. I mistyped. I should have said "in his first full season, two training camps, and 1/4 of his second regular season, he hasn't answered any of the questions I had about him coming out of college."
That really doesn't make the statement that much more favorable, Arch.
Keep in mind that I live in Austin. I've watched Colt for the last 6 years.
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Okay - as long as we have the 2 seasons thing straight. 
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Having said all of that.. let me repeat something: Colt may be out there for one reason and one reason only,, because he's the best we got at the moment. The powers in control may have already decided that he's not the one and no way in hell are they going to tell us that at this point.. certainly not 4 games into the season..
I wouldn't know how I felt if that were the case. I'd rather be wrong than right about McCoy.
I also never took anything you said as being angry. I just didn't agree
Yeah, that thought that he's considered only the best we have is a scary thought. but hey, it may well be the truth. May not have been in the beginning, but it may be now.. Dunno.
I'm glad you seemed to understand that I just disagree with you also..
Did I tell you it's good to have you back in the fold?
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This year, under a new coach as well as a new offense, he has 5 starts.
Oh crap did I miss a game
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This year, under a new coach as well as a new offense, he has 5 starts.
Oh crap did I miss a game
I'm sorry GM. We were all asked to keep it from you.. Something about you and the Commish and pulling fingers,, I'm not sure of the details
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Anyway, through two drafts with the Browns and several with the seahawks, Holmgren has been in a position to move up to grab a "can't miss' QB.. it's been within reach. And while it appears he's dangled his feet in the water, he hasn't jumped in.
when?
My recollection of Holmgren's time in Seattle is that they had Hasselbeck and were consistently in the playoffs.
And let's not forget last year, Holmgren came out and said in a press conference after (or during?) the draft that he tried to move up to get Bradford, and the Rams were asking too much. Pause and think about that for a little bit.
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My guess, and it really is only a guess, is that neither Holmgren or Heckert are the type to throw thier weight behind a top QB.. in fact, I think they'll do what they did this year and trade down to aquire more picks.
It may not be what you want to hear. But I bet it's real.
I don't see why H&H wouldn't 'throw their weight' behind a top QB. The reality is that both of them have been on winning teams that already had franchise QBs and thus they weren't in a position to take a top QB and didn't have the need for one anyway. It's different here.
I liked the McCoy pick and still do. He was good value in the 3rd round, and annointing him as a franchise QB was more of a media thing than anything. Think about it-- Holmgren tried trading up for Bradford and when that didn't happen they took Haden, then Ward, traded 3 picks to go up and get... Hardesty, Lauvao, then and only then did they take McCoy. It was a low risk, high reward pick, and should be looked at as such.
Yes it is a big investment in making him the unquestioned starter going into the season, but he had played well for a rookie and frankly, it's not it's easy to find a quality starting QB because the demand is high and the supply is low. The plan was to evaluate him during the year and I can only assume to address the position in 2012 if necessary.
I think getting Luck is simply not realistic however.. the team is too good, we have 2 wins in the bank, and the schedule is too easy. JMO though. It's not like there aren't other QBs Holmgren is studying.
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when?
My recollection of Holmgren's time in Seattle is that they had Hasselbeck and were consistently in the playoffs.
Your recollection is just a little off.. his last year with Seattle wasn't all that good.. only won 4 games, Certainly no playoffs.
http://www.beckys-place.com/30seasons/seasonrecord.html
After the 2000 season, with only 6 wins, he didn't go after a top QB then either.
last season we were in a position to offer a boat load to move up to get Bradford and we didn't. Yes, the Rams were asking too much, but if he thought Bradford was all that and a bag of chips, it's a price we could have paid. we didn't,
Besides, Bradford wasn't the only QB to go high in those two drafts so it didn't have to be Bradford... like Tebow or Claussen or this year it could have been Locker or Gabbart.
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I don't see why H&H wouldn't 'throw their weight' behind a top QB.
well, like I said, it was only a guess on my part, but it's an educated guess given that neither guy has even drafted a first round QB.
McNabb wasn't a Heckert pick.. in fact, Heckert didn't get to the Eagles until 2001 I think. In fact, the highest he's ever drafted a QB was Kolb in the 2nd.
And other than McCoy, I'm not sure Heckert ever has drafted a QB at all other than Kolb. (of course when you have McNabb, you don't need to take one in the first either)
So I was really just guessing based on thier history and it doesn't suggest they'd go that route. Especially with Holmgren.
I don't think Holmgren has ever been on a team that won a superbowl with a 1st round selection at QB by either SF or GB.. he worked with Young who I think was a 1st rounder with Tampa. I don't remember how he ended up in SF. (udfa or trade, don't remember)
Montana was a later rounder.. 3rd rounder I think.
Hassleback wasn't a top pick.. (GB 6th rounder in 1998)
It could be said that holmgren might have if he would have had the authority in GB or SF. But he did have the authority in Seattle for at least his first 4 or so years and still, he didn't.
SO, history says that that isn't either of thier style.. and it was ONLY A GUESS.
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This year, under a new coach as well as a new offense, he has 5 starts.
Oh crap did I miss a game
Well duh! You didn't get the Tuesday night game? 
Or did I miscount. Let's see: The Browns are 2-2. Hmm.....I'll ask my daughter that math question when she gets home from church and be sure to get back to you.
Or better yet: My bad. Oops.
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After the 2000 season, with only 6 wins, he didn't go after a top QB then either.
There was no top QB to go after in the 2001 draft.
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Besides, Bradford wasn't the only QB to go high in those two drafts so it didn't have to be Bradford... like Tebow or Claussen or this year it could have been Locker or Gabbart.
You'd have to be foolish to sell the farm to draft any of those quarterbacks.
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After the 2000 season, with only 6 wins, he didn't go after a top QB then either.
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Besides, Bradford wasn't the only QB to go high in those two drafts so it didn't have to be Bradford... like Tebow or Claussen or this year it could have been Locker or Gabbart.
You'd have to be foolish to sell the farm to draft any of those quarterbacks.
I don't remember that far back as to who was in the draft and who wasn't., so your saying that there wasn't a QB that seattle could have taken that was decent or considered a prospect?
if you are talking about Locker or Gabbert, we would not have had to sell the farm for either... not sure if I read you right on that....
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