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Whoops,, I didn't see most.. my error,, Damn, I hate it when I do that 
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So let me get this straight,Brian the Robot is listed number 1 or 2 on the depth chart..based on what.....what has he done in 3 years to warrant him the WR job?
By not bringing in a FA WR to push Robotskie for playing time,he probally has a sense of entitlement.
Mike Holgrem should have kicked the tires on Lee Evans or Steve Breaston for gods sakes.
Brian Robiskie is a shining example of Mangini lack of eye for talent.
Mauluga and Wallace are on the board and he takes this stiff.....
he can't get open,he can't find soft zones and he can't out run senior citizens like Nate Clements....
you can only throw to your TE's so much.
another area where the front office denial hurt this team. Lee Evans right now is better than any receiver we have.
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another area where the front office denial hurt this team. Lee Evans right now is better than any receiver we have.
Lee Evans is a name (and a local guy at that), but he is not as good as Lee Evans in his prime anymore.
Joe Flacco had 224 yards passing and 3TDs to 6 different receivers on Sunday against the Steelers.
Lee Evans had 0 catches for 0 yards.
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another area where the front office denial hurt this team. Lee Evans right now is better than any receiver we have.
Lee Evans is a name (and a local guy at that), but he is not as good as Lee Evans in his prime anymore.
Joe Flacco had 224 yards passing and 3TDs to 6 different receivers on Sunday against the Steelers.
Lee Evans had 0 catches for 0 yards.
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another area where the front office denial hurt this team. Lee Evans right now is better than any receiver we have.
Lee Evans is a name (and a local guy at that), but he is not as good as Lee Evans in his prime anymore.
Joe Flacco had 224 yards passing and 3TDs to 6 different receivers on Sunday against the Steelers.
Lee Evans had 0 catches for 0 yards.
And that's the end to that debate
And that means you like colt running around with no receivers getting open. lee Evans was just one suggestion. we chose to do NOTHING. How is that working?
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We didn't "DO NOTHING" We have drafted guys over the last few years, and the coaching staff and front office believe these guys are going to pan out. you don't believe it. I think I will side with the guys that do this sort of thing for a living Joe.
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And that means you like colt running around with no receivers getting open. lee Evans was just one suggestion. we chose to do NOTHING. How is that working?
Honestly I don't think that I can give you an answer with one game as a body of work to go on.
Nothing has been proven on either side of that debate.
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And that means you like colt running around with no receivers getting open. lee Evans was just one suggestion. we chose to do NOTHING. How is that working?
we have drafted a ton of WRs in the 2nd round (3 in the last 3 years). One looks like he will stick (MoMass), one looks like he will not as he has as many receptions this year as Lee Evans (Robiskie), and one is completely raw at this point (Little).
and we signed a good TE and have 2 pass catching TEs behind him (one of which was drafted last year)
not to mention we grabbed a very good receiving RB from Denver last year (and signed another who unfortunately is on IR now - BJax)
we did nothing?
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And that means you like colt running around with no receivers getting open. lee Evans was just one suggestion. we chose to do NOTHING. How is that working?
Honestly I don't think that I can give you an answer with one game as a body of work to go on.
Nothing has been proven on either side of that debate.
No, one game evidence is not true as all last season our qbs many times had to scramble with no wrs getting open. And they were sacked and hurt witness all 3 QBs in boots. That the oline and the receivers are STILL a problem and we did little to address these areas makes our present dilemma seem ever so obvious. While we STILL have the worst set of wrs in the NFL, I agree we are not open to the others reality. yet I would hope to see there is more in evidence than one game unless you deny the reality of all last season and doing that i agree there is no use of any conversation on the matter.
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COMPLETELY different offense.
...As has been said multiple times.
Mangini practically ignored the WR position on the field.
Hillis and Watson were his offense...
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who said anything about mangini? we had problems last year with the Wrs getting open and the front office believed a new offense would help them get open. they decided to go with the hand they had. Sunday Colt was scrambling as receivers like robiskie never got open the oline let Colt be under duress and the Bengal DBs had very few problems covering our wrs. same problem different offense.
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COMPLETELY different offense.
...As has been said multiple times.
Mangini practically ignored the WR position on the field.
Hillis and Watson were his offense...
I do not think this argument is going to fly very well if Chad Henne keeps having 400+ yard games with Daboll as his OC.
Coaches oftentimes adjust schemes to their talent. If they felt their only talent was at TE and RB (especially when MoMass got hurt), then that is where they would go.
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COMPLETELY different offense.
...As has been said multiple times.
Mangini practically ignored the WR position on the field.
Hillis and Watson were his offense...
I do not think this argument is going to fly very well if Chad Henne keeps having 400+ yard games with Daboll as his OC.
Coaches oftentimes adjust schemes to their talent. If they felt their only talent was at TE and RB (especially when MoMass got hurt), then that is where they would go.
He also is not going to pound the ball with his current stable of RB's in Miami.
With Brandon Marshall he has a top tier WR and a guy who will win most battles with most CB's in this League.
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I do not think this argument is going to fly very well if Chad Henne keeps having 400+ yard games with Daboll as his OC.
Henne is not a bad QB. His biggest problem is that he throws too many INTs.. the last couple years he has had more INTs than TDs.. also the last couple years his YPA has been about 6.5 ... the other night it was 8.5... so let's see if he can sustain that.
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We didn't "DO NOTHING" We have drafted guys over the last few years, and the coaching staff and front office believe these guys are going to pan out. you don't believe it. I think I will side with the guys that do this sort of thing for a living Joe.
How can you trust the opinion of a guy that thought Hillis was nothing more than a "ham sandwich" if that doesn't tell you he jumps the gun on EVERYTHING, I don't know what would. 
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COMPLETELY different offense.
...As has been said multiple times.
Mangini practically ignored the WR position on the field.
Hillis and Watson were his offense...
I do not think this argument is going to fly very well if Chad Henne keeps having 400+ yard games with Daboll as his OC.
Coaches oftentimes adjust schemes to their talent. If they felt their only talent was at TE and RB (especially when MoMass got hurt), then that is where they would go.
He also is not going to pound the ball with his current stable of RB's in Miami.
With Brandon Marshall he has a top tier WR and a guy who will win most battles with most CB's in this League.
that is exactly my point about configuring the offense to fit the talent 
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We where not a balanced offence last year and I expect that Miami wont be this year either, only they will pass more.
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that is exactly my point about configuring the offense to fit the talent
So what does that say about our WR corps this year, which is the same as last season other than the replacement of Chansi Stuckey with a rookie in Greg Little who has plenty of potential but is still very raw?
I don't particularly care that Heckert and Holmgren think that Robiskie and/or MoMass might be good one day. The fact is they're not good right now, and I feel it behooves them to get a WR that's at least a step above mediocre if for no other reason than to see if our QB can get the job done with a legit WR. Your top two receivers year in and year out shouldn't be your TE and RB.
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well, they decided to go the WCO spread-around route. they added Little they added a Cameron they want to get Moore on the field more they added Marecic (who they think can be a bigger receiving threat) top10 FA WRs http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc...xpire=1#free-WR1. Sidney Rice - if he is truly healthy, then he would have been a solid pickup. 2. Santonio Holmes - he was the Jets priority and I doubt would have left. 3. Braylon Edwards - well, that dropped off quickly. Yeah, this wasn't happening. 4. Steve Smith - worthy pickup. for 2012. I doubt he helps much this year while recovering from microfacture surgery. 5. Mike Sims-Walker - he's their 3rd or 4th WR (after at least Amendola and Gibson). I have not been a big fan of his and doubt he would be much better than what we have. 6. Randy Moss - he only was terrible for 3 teams last year. 7. Lance Moore - he made it clear he wasn't leaving Brees. 8. Malcolm Floyd - SD was quick to resign him. 9. Plaxico Burress - he would have been an interesting sign, but he made it clear he wanted to stay in NY and the Jets gave him that opportunity. 10. Mark Clayton - also coming off a knee injury. others: Steve Breaston - Not sure he's better than what we have. Warner was able to make him look okay. James Jones - he has a ton of physical ability and he's getting crowded out in GB w/ Jordy Nelson taking his snaps. Would have been worth a call to try to get him in here, but not sure he would have come. ------------------------------------------ so, we could have tried to sign one of the guys above, but not sure it would have helped too much more than what we have. It was a weak crop and Heckert seems determined to build through the draft.
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I understand that the FA crop was slim and that we couldn't explore trades during the lockout. All I'm saying is that two separate regimes have decided that our best receiving options are TEs and RBs. Seems like an indictment of of our WR corps to me.
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I understand that the FA crop was slim and that we couldn't explore trades during the lockout. All I'm saying is that two separate regimes have decided that our best receiving options are TEs and RBs. Seems like an indictment of of our WR corps to me.
Could it be something as simple as two seperate regimes didn't see anyone out there that was SURE to be an upgrade? Just playing devils advocate here
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I agree. That was part of my point about Daboll not having an issue using WRs in Miami.
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Could it be something as simple as two seperate regimes didn't see anyone out there that was SURE to be an upgrade? Just playing devils advocate here
I don't know, but I read that above statement, where someone is trying to claim a positive from that they " added" J Cameron, and they " added" Muhrecic,
I'm not going to say those players are bad players, but that the decision to get them is looking bad at this point.
Cameron is going to catch passes? How about a real QB -WR combinaton
Muhrecic is going to catch passes? How much of the pass protection problems are because he's not as apt as Vickers was at pass protection/blitz pickup?
If you can't pass protect, then it doesn't matter if your receiver can catch the ball with his hands instead of his body.
INJ report said Pashos did not participate, wednesday, any update on today?
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A lot of talk about how Jordan Cameron and Owen Marcenic were "wasted picks".
It's been one week into the actual season.
They were 4th round draft picks.
Give me examples of players drafted around Cameron and Marcenic that have ALREADY shown they would have better picks....
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Give me examples of players drafted around Cameron and Marcenic that have ALREADY shown they would have better picks....
fun game. of course, it's impossible because it takes time for FBs to learn pass pickups and we haven't seen his pass packages yet. and, Cameron has to make his way up the depth chart with Watson and Moore currently blocking him.
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1. Casey Mathews - starting MLB for the Eagles. 4 tackles
2. Alex Henery - starting K for the Eagles. 39ydFG + 4 XPt
3. Delone Carter - backup to Addai. 7 rushes for 25yds
4. Greg Salas is involved in the Rams WR rotation (he dropped at least 2 balls on Sunday, but he was in there) - 1 rec 21 yds
5. Roy Helu had 1 run for 2 yards
so, the Eagles are heavy on 4th round picks starting for them as they have the only 2. Delone Carter looks like the real deal, but Salas and Helu barely got any action and I may have missed someone that got in a few plays, but I think that might be it for the round.
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You can't have too many pass catching Tight Ends in this offense.
Full-back? We let a backup FB go for a guy who we viewed a better long term option.
They might both prove to be as bad as people are saying. No team hits on every pick.
I just find the fact that we're blasting two 4th round draft picks, after they've played in the NFL for 1 regular season game is a little ridiculous.
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For the record, the Eagles have one of the worst linebacking corps in the league, and their fans still don't like Casey Matthews.
Matthews is a starting linebacker by default.
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For the record, the Eagles have one of the worst linebacking corps in the league, and their fans still don't like Casey Matthews.
Matthews is a starting linebacker by default.
I agree and either he or Henery has 'proven' the most out of the 4th round picks
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Could it be something as simple as two seperate regimes didn't see anyone out there that was SURE to be an upgrade? Just playing devils advocate here
I don't know, but I read that above statement, where someone is trying to claim a positive from that they " added" J Cameron, and they " added" Muhrecic,
I'm not going to say those players are bad players, but that the decision to get them is looking bad at this point.
Cameron is going to catch passes? How about a real QB -WR combinaton
Muhrecic is going to catch passes? How much of the pass protection problems are because he's not as apt as Vickers was at pass protection/blitz pickup?
If you can't pass protect, then it doesn't matter if your receiver can catch the ball with his hands instead of his body.
INJ report said Pashos did not participate, wednesday, any update on today?
For what it's worth, I think it's way to early to write any of them off. I know that won't stop folks from doing so.
Time will tell I guess
As for Pashos, to me, him being injured is a disappointment. But we aren't the First or only team facing this problem. Look at Pittsburgh.. they are having the same issue.
Odds were that Pashos wouldn't make it through an entire season.. but damn, I guess I expected him to at least start.
Trying to look at the bright side of that, maybe he'll be back in time to make a difference. 
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How about a backup TE that catches in the fourth quarter? Offense went shaky on us. The pass catching FB and stuff, I am ready to see it. Soon. Glad Daboll is succeeding; maybe he is getting to call the game he wants, or moreso than when he was here. But I would bet a number of teams are looking at personnel now; can't imagine we aren't monitoring wideouts. And this offense will need to compensate for our WR's who don't seem to get separation enough for whatever reason. Just attack vertically. The success we had got dumped after first half. I favor a vet with legs left if feasible. Too soon to crack our folks with this little time in an offense. Permission to get better immediately is hereby granted to all players we put on the field. 
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If they were BPA, then I don't really care that they were areas of minimal need.
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I don't know, but I read that above statement, where someone is trying to claim a positive from that they " added" J Cameron, and they " added" Muhrecic,
I'm not going to say those players are bad players, but that the decision to get them is looking bad at this point.
That's sort of like having a little spat with your wife over where to eat on the second night of your honeymoon and thinking that your marriage was a bad idea.
The roster is what it is at this point so I believe that we all would be better off to just watch the season unfold and see what happens. Other than some potential practice squad moves I doubt we make any major roster adjustments at this point, the last draft was just a few months ago, the next draft isn't for at least 15 more games... so arguing over this at this point seems kind of meaningless.
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love the optimism
The pre-season is over, the season has started, major changes are done.. nothing left to do but root for the Browns and try to stay as optimistic as possible.
Typically my Browns season goes from optimism, to frustration, to anger, to apathy... then when the season is over it reverts back to optimism.
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that's more my typical Brown's week 
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How about a backup TE that catches in the fourth quarter? Offense went shaky on us. The pass catching FB and stuff, I am ready to see it. Soon. Glad Daboll is succeeding; maybe he is getting to call the game he wants, or moreso than when he was here. But I would bet a number of teams are looking at personnel now; can't imagine we aren't monitoring wideouts. And this offense will need to compensate for our WR's who don't seem to get separation enough for whatever reason. Just attack vertically. The success we had got dumped after first half. I favor a vet with legs left if feasible. Too soon to crack our folks with this little time in an offense. Permission to get better immediately is hereby granted to all players we put on the field.
I think that you might get your wish with a vet with legs LOL.
If I'm the Coach and I take a good look at the effort and attitude put forth by Cribbs last Sunday, then I'm going to try and get the ball in his hands more this Sunday.
If that means giving him more time at WR then so be it.
None of this WR debate means anything if our QB is not making good decisions and is not playing to a level that he has to be to be successful at this level.
As Colt progresses, so too does the rest of the offence including the WR's and this is why we have stayed the coarse imo, because of the youth and immaturity at the skilled positions.
Would bringing in a Veteran WR help this offence this Sunday?
My guess is ... not very much.
The best thing Colt can do is spread the ball around and use all of his options. If he limits him self as he did last week then the Colts will make adjustments on their defense to take that away.
Put the pressure on the defense to cover everyone.
Who's going to be worried about covering Marecic 
Keep them LBers from getting too much depth on their drops and this will give your receivers room to work underneath
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I just find the fact that we're blasting two 4th round draft picks, after they've played in the NFL for 1 regular season game is a little ridiculous.
Not blasting anyone. Just saying that the picks used on Jordan and Marecic should've been better spent on areas of weakness, not strength.
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