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There hasn't been a Superbowl Winning Head Coach to coach a College team after that as far as my knowledge goes. Doesn't mean it won't happen. Superbowl winning HC's are an elite group. I just don't think you have had many situations if any at all where a Superbowl HC had an opportunity at a job like Texas, Florida, Ohio State, USC ect. ect.

As far as a step down it would depend on the situation. Name me a good situation that Gruden or Dungy would be able to step into in the NFL? The only issue at the Ohio State is what sanctions will they get? 3 year bowl ban and scholarship reduction? Well then it will be a few years before they are back to elite level.

If all we get is probation (which I think is unlikely) then tOSU is on par with just about any NFL job if not better than what will be available to Gruden or Dungy.

They would get paid so that isn't an issue. They both would have pressure to win but it would be easier to turn around tOSU's program than taking over a bottom team in the NFL and rebuilding. Both of these guys will be looking for a Phil Jackson situation in the NFL, they don't want to start from scratch. JMO

If this is true, then the Big10 messed up big time. Mizzou fits all the criteria for the Big10 (academics, big new markets, good football and other sports) not to mention that they have a built-in rivalry with Illinois.

Also, if conference realignment continues (which seems likely), then we will have missed one of our best options at expanding (and we already missed on Syracuse).

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ST. LOUIS (AP) -- A University of Missouri official says the school hopes to join the Southeastern Conference but would have preferred an offer from the Big Ten that never came.

The person, who is familiar with the discussions involving conference affiliation, spoke Wednesday on condition of anonymity because the school has not commented publicly about its intentions.

Missouri hoped to join the Big Ten last year but the league instead chose Nebraska. The university official said the Big Ten remains Missouri's top choice but that conference "has no interest."



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/fo...l#ixzz1ZwoOCC6c

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What good does it do the SEC to add the state of Missouri?

yes, when people talk about adding a new market they are talking about a new place to add the Big10 network and increase their TV deals with ESPN/ABC, etc.

so, yes, all it does is increase money. but that money is then used to upgrade the programs, pay for better HCs, etc. it does tend to end up with a better product (though still limited by the recruits in the area).

also, adding a 'national' team like Nebraska gives a conference more exposure. every time a team with Nebraska's history starts the year with a few wins, they are going to get talked about a bunch on the networks. exposure is important in recruiting.

Cals QB is terrible.

Lamichael James may be done for the year.

That was nasty.

tough fall for him. let's hope that it doesn't end his season.

and, I guess Oregon figured out how to handle Cal's 3-4 alignments (helped that Cal wasn't faking as many injuries too)

I had $ on Oregon -23.5, left my for hockey game at halftime with them losing by a point and coughing that up as a loss, and lol'd on the way home after i heard they put up 29 unaswered.

BTW, my dream scenario for this realignment is pretty much dead now. Being in Austin, I was hoping on having a Big East (for bball), Pac16, and SEC games all within driving distance.

With the BigXII likely staying together (for now) that means less overall teams that I can drive to games (and see on local broadcasts). Pity.

Now, I just hope that the BigXII expands back to 12 by picking up Houston and Tulane so that I have another possible sporting event to attend when I visit relatives in Houston (plus, with their history, they deserve to be at the big boys table).

j/c...

Does anyone else love Matt Barkley as much as I do as an NFL prospect?

I know all the attention is on Luck, but I think Barkley will be just as good...

I used to love the guy as a prospect. However he really hasn't improved a much as he should have from his freshmen year. He still makes very stupid decisions.

sorry, change Tulane to Air Force. Air Force is being pursued by the Big East (which makes no geographical sense), but the BigXII would be smart to dip their toes back into Colorado.

I am a huge Barkley fan.

PM me, I'd like to discuss Barkley with ya.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...five-more-games


COLUMBUS, Ohio -- The NCAA suspended Ohio State wide receiver DeVier Posey for five more games Friday -- leaving him with only two regular-season games in his senior season -- and three other Buckeyes for one game for taking too much money for a summer job.

Posey's attorney said he was incensed at the penalty. In response, the NCAA called Columbus lawyer Larry James' contentions "patently false."

Offensive lineman Marcus Hall, defensive lineman Melvin Fellows and last year's leading rusher, Dan Herron, will miss this week's game at No. 14 Nebraska on Saturday. They also must repay benefits after receiving pay for work not performed from booster Bobby DiGeronimo, who has been banned from any further contact with Ohio State athletes.

Posey, already forced to sit out the first five games, will not return until Ohio State's home game against Penn State on Nov. 19. He will be able to play against the Nittany Lions and also the following week, the annual matchup with archrival Michigan that concludes the regular season.

"I am extremely disappointed with the NCAA's decision regarding Devier Posey," Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith said in a statement. "This penalty is harsh considering the nature of the violation and the five-game suspension already served by this student-athlete."

James, Posey's attorney, was angry at the severity of the penalty.

"I've been doing this for 30 years and I have not had anything that I think has incensed me more," James said.

According to the NCAA, Posey was overpaid $728. Herron and Fellows both accepted approximately $290 in excess pay while Hall received $230 in overpayment.

Posey and Herron already had been suspended five games for accepting cash and tattoos from a Columbus tattoo-parlor owner.

All but Posey will be available to play at Illinois a week from Saturday, although Fellows is out with a medical issue.

In its decision, the NCAA noted the overpayment occurred over an extended period of time.

James said he had records which proved that the players worked and were not substantially overpaid.

"My hard evidence and common sense and logic from 30-plus years of practice tells me (the NCAA's decision) is not supported by sound, reliable information and documentation," he said. "We were able to document that all these players had worked the hours that they had said. Even if we were to concede where there might be holes, less than five hours are in dispute. That takes them under 100 bucks. In DeVier Posey's situation, (the NCAA) just absolutely disregarded evidence that any person with common sense would accept. Why they did it, I do not know."

The NCAA lashed out in response to James' contentions.

"These statements are patently false," NCAA spokeswoman Stacey Osburn said. "To ensure a fair process for the involved student-athlete, each reinstatement decision is determined based on its own merits. The staff carefully reviews all information that the university puts forward during the reinstatement process. Posey's (suspension) is based on his own actions and responsibility for the violation."

Herron, Posey, left tackle Mike Adams and defensive end Solomon Thomas, along with star quarterback Terrelle Pryor and Dorian Bell, were suspended last December for the first five games this fall. Bell has since transferred to Duquesne.

All were found to have received cash and free or discounted tattoos from Edward Rife, who has pleaded guilty to federal charges of money laundering and drug trafficking unrelated to the Ohio State case and is awaiting sentencing.

Herron, Posey, Adams and Thomas were originally set to rejoin the team this week. Adams and Thomas have been cleared to play against Nebraska.

When Ohio State went before the NCAA's committee on infractions on Aug. 12, the major issue was the players who took improper benefits from Rife and the actions (or inaction) of then-Ohio State coach Jim Tressel. Tressel, the Buckeyes' successful coach for 10 years, was forced to resign because he did not tell his superiors when he found out about possible violations. He used ineligible players throughout the 2010 season.

Soon after Tressel was pushed out, Pryor left school a year early to jump to the NFL and is now a member of the Oakland Raiders, although is suspended by the NFL due to his problems at Ohio State and his unconventional route to the league.

James thinks the NCAA was harder on Posey because of his friendship with Pryor, who was at the center of several areas of investigation when he announced he was leaving Ohio State.

"My hunch is for some reason they have discredited him because he was close to Terrelle," James said. "I think that's what it is. As a result of thatC they don't want to believe anything that we put forward. But I can't prove that."

DiGeronimo helped run an annual charity event which led to three other players being suspended for the first two games this season.

Ohio State is awaiting the NCAA's report of sanctions for the Tressel/tattoo violations. Smith said this week he expected the NCAA to announce final penalties late this year, perhaps in December.

The university has offered penalties including vacating the 2010 season's 12-1 record, returning bowl payments totaling almost $339,000 from last season, and accepting a two-year NCAA probation. The NCAA could add to those penalties based on all of the subsequent violations and suspensions.

The NCAA also determined Posey accepted approximately $100 in golf fees from another individual, which it called "a preferential treatment violation."

The NCAA may have been right at the very beginning, but this is turning stupider with each and every passing day.

The lesson to be learned here is that Terrell Pryor was right to bolt school. If you are in any kind of trouble in school, you might as well leave rather than face the consequences, because if you try to do the right thing, you'll get screwed anyway.

Each of the kids with the tattoo stuff were penalized for inappropriate benefits. Now they are penalized further for ...... inappropriate benefits.

This thing has the look of a witch hunt at this point.

We need to stop recruiting idiots and mental midgets. I don't mean guys that aren't book smart I mean guys that just don't get it. I don't know how to explain what I mean. After all the crap we went through we had guys getting free stuff at charity events and now this. Are athletes these days just this incrediby dumb and selfish or is the NCAA on a witch hunt? Part of me wonders if we actually did teach these guys the rules or not.

When is the NCAA ruling supposed to come out for OSU? I thought it was in early October but I may have misread that.

Not looking forward to the OSU-Nebraska game tonight. This has huge potential to be a blowout. I'll go with:

Nebraska 35
OSU 7

Haven't felt this bad about an OSU game in a long time.

Couldn't possibly be because they broke the rules, right?

I've got no problem with suspending the players as they did initially. I do have a bit of a problem with the NCAA then continuing to dig deeper and deeper back looking for more "dirt" and then levying suspensions that aren't commensurate with the infraction. It reeks of subjectivity and vindictiveness. Since the career of a college athlete is by its very nature fleeting, it makes no sense to me to bury an individual player while failing to address the real issue at hand, which is that the notion of the collegiate student-athlete as an amateur is antiquated in this day and age of the multibillion dollar industry that is college sports.

And it has nothing to do with it being a player from OSU, because I don't really care that much about OSU. I root for them because my dad is an alum and therefore they were the team I watched growing up, but I have no strong emotional bond to them. Quite honestly I'm just sick and tired of the NCAA doing what it feels like, when it feels like, without any real sort of precedent.

Just because the players were stupid doesn't mean its not a witch-hunt. The NCAA is obviously trying to put OSU in its place with a hammer and a stake.

However, you do want to ask Posey what part of all that happened during the off season didn't he get? Really, he's too dumb to be a senior in college.

jc...

Here's a thought-provoking piece: The Shame of College Sports. Take an hour or so out of your day and read it.

What about a system where athletes have to pay their own way ..... but get $20,000 per year salary?

What .... they would some out behind in many instances?

I am really sick and tired of hearing about how college football players are unpaid. They are not. They are very well paid. They don't get cash money, but they do get tuition, housing, food, books, lab fees, and all of the fees and expenses associated with attending a major institution. They (if they actually work at it) wind up with a free degree from an institution they would otherwise never have a chance to attend.

Many also get extra scholarships (athletic or scholastic) that wind up giving them actual cash back when their bills are all paid.

They can also take out student loans to cover their other school related expenses. (and damn near anything, from clothing, to computers, to a phone, to a car can qualify)

Now, I think that the NCAA is really getting ticky tacky with all of the crap they are pursuing. It really does start looking like a witch hunt after a while. Maybe they need a clearing house where an athlete calls in and clears employment beforehand? Sure that would be a nightmare for the NCAA, but so what? They bare creating nightmares right now, so maybe they need a few themself.

You can't. At the same time, while giving you a speeding ticket they can't say, "I see that you also got a speeding ticket a year ago, so the fine for this one is going to cost you double".

The alleged overpayments were from the summers of 2009 and 2010, before any of the tattoogate issues or ensuing suspensions came to light. It stands to reason that they were discovered and penalized so severely only in the wake of those infractions.

I should amend my analogy. It would be like getting pulled over and getting let go with a warning, and then getting double the fine for getting pulled over a year later. It's not a perfect analogy, but considering that speeding violations aren't investigated over a series of months, its about as close a comparison as can be drawn between the two.

20-13 Nebraska.

I'll go with 17-15 OSU ...... just for the hell of it.

I'll go with ... OSU should tell the NCAA to shove it and drop out

j/c

It really seems to me the ncaa wants to really hammer OSU to make an example of them.

What's going on with miami?

On a side note: Posey was "over paid $728.00". Can someone with more knowledge of the ncaa "allowable pay" thing tell me more about this? Did he have a summer job, but got paid too much?