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I know it's a few weeks early but I thought I would get some peoples opinions on who you think will be traded or cut around the NFL by week 6.

I haven't been able to follow the entire league as much as I have wanted to this year so has anybody been hearing any rumblings around the league on possible movements?

And also do you guy's think that us having a bye week one week before the trade deadline will have any impact on us being able to swing a trade for a player if we deem it neccessary? Kind of a dumb question but im just kind of wondering if with that week off will the top brass have a little more time to make and field some calls.

I guess the biggest reason I ask is because I was reading the other day that Curry was demoted to second string and that got me thinking. I mean that's alot of money to be paying a guy to sit on the bench.

I wonder if he would be available for trade, we definately could use an upgrade at linebacker. And statistically he wasn't having a bad year before the demotion.

And actually just looking around apparently the Hawks are only asking for a 3rd round pick for Curry.

Not really saying I want to trade for him and take on that big contract but that is a player I think could possibly be moved.

Curry was exactly the guy that came to my mind. I don't really pay attention to Seattle, but what happened to him. I can't believe he isn't a player, maybe he just doesn't fit their system?? But again, i thought Curry was built for any system, so its just a puzzle to me how he is second string. I think he is a player to watch....

Slaton was also released by Houston, what happened to him? One year wonder??

Curry is aparently garnering alot of trade interest from what I have just read, from the Eagles, Giants and a couple of other teams. As far as I understand Curry was just out-played by Wright. But that was just a quick skim through some comments so I could be wrong.

Slaton from what i remember last year had quite a few injuries and a fumbling problem and was surpassed on the depth chart.

yea.. I would love to have Curry, but from reports.. the Browns aren't part of the teams inquiring.

Another thing that got me thinking about the bye week is that if we beat Tennessee this weekend and go into the bye week at 3-1 I wonder if that will make a case for us to make a trade for a player.

It just gets me thinking that if the FO sees that we can compete with what we have would it be more likely for them to bring in a guy to fill in a whole to try and push for a descent season? Rather than being 1-3 and them basically just toughing it out and filling our holes in the off-season.

Or judging from the slew of comments in here I'm probably just reading into the whole bye week thing a little too much and not making any sense to any of you

If the Browns inactivity during the FA signing period is any indication, I have doubts we go after any big recognizable names.. if any at all.

He just was never as good as his hype. I remember seeing him getting schooled by Navy and thinking "what's all the fuss about?"

I had they exact same feelings about him as you did. If you are one on one in the open field with a Rb from Navy and get juked out of your jock you aren't going to be a stud in the NFL.

Was Holmgren in Seattles house when Curry was drafted?

No, he was quite a few years removed.

J/K

I dont see us making any big slash moves people look for every year, even if were in the playoff hunt, I do believe we stand pat on what we have and if anything try to aquire more picks for next April.

This year is just another stepping stone towards next season when I feel we really have to compete, year 3 in the Holgram Reign we have to take a big step towards the playoffs.

We will continue to make small pick-ups a back up for a back up, snag a guy off another practice squad or waver wire but nothing where it cost us draft picks.

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I dont see us making any big slash moves people look for every year, even if were in the playoff hunt, I do believe we stand pat on what we have and if anything try to aquire more picks for next April.

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This is what i feel wil happen and to go alittle further out i expect to have another signing period next yr simaliar to this one...i think its 2013 that we have to be at 90 or 95 percent of cap i i think were saving our pennys until we make the splash then..

I've still got my eye on Donnie Avery. Runs a 4.25, knows the system. Seems like a good fit to me, not sure Heckert hasn't gotten it done yet.

I was thinking more of us off-loading a guy. Brian Robiske to the Falcons for a 7th rounder?

I wouldn't be opposed to us trading Robiskie for another receiver, any other receiver. Even if we had to include a pick. Because so far he's just a waste of a roster spot.

I had been holding out hope for Robiske for awhile now, but I have to agree with. I would just dump him for whatever we can get, then promote Rod Windsor from the practice squad and play Carlton Mitchell in Robiske's spot. It's not like Mitchell would see the field much anyway.

Was anyone else caught off guard when Norwood got a chance on the field during the last drive? I wasl ike WHOAAA!!! It wasn't a good whoa, or a bad whoa.. I was just surprised.

I'm still surprised that Mitchell hasn't seen any action either.

Wonder what happened to Haggerty, who Gini really talked up a season or so back until he got injured. I know he was released, but all the rah rah talk in the past really had me high on the guy.

Why is everyone so surprised that Mitchell hasn't made the field yet?

He is at the bottom of the depth chart at WR. He just got healthy recently. He hasn't practiced much yet. Just how many plays do you expect our last WR, who has barely practiced with the team yet, to get?

And he's been thrown to almost as much too.

The problem with trading Robo is who would want him? Seriously, if the guy can't make himself a target in THIS receiving core, where else does he stand a better shot?

I'm ridiculously disappointed with him. I thought with the end of last year and a decent pre-season that maybe he'd turned a corner. Instead, invisible man.

Mark my words.

If we get rid of Robiske, he will go on to success elsewhere.

We have had horrible QB play for his entire career thus far. Put him on a team with a legitimate NFL QB and he will be, at the very least, a solid #2 receiver.

The problem is that a different receiver, playing that position, isn't going to do a damn thing for us until we get the QB to pull his head out of his butt and actually use that side of the field.

The funny thing is that Robiske lined up wide right on the one pass that went his way, and he was open, but McCoy underthrew the pass.

When a QB is barely completing 50% of his passes, and hardly ever throws to the WR position, and on the rare occasions when he does, he almost never throws to the left

We could have Larry Fitzgerald out there ... but if the QB won;t throw the ball to that area of the field, then it doesn't matter who is out there.

We need to fix the QB, not necessarily the WR.

And every single throw to the right, with the exception of the TD pass to Moore, was a short pass.

They threw to Little 3 times on the final drive Sunday. Each and every one of them was a pass within 5-7 yards of the LOS. He rarely throws deep, and almost never throws deep left. That can open up some stuff for the slot guy running a 5-7 yard drag or slant underneath .... but it's not a starting WR type route. Also, some of those passes to the left have gone to the RB coming out of the backfield.

Game 1:
Inc: Short Left Cribbs
Comp: Short Left Watson 3 yards
Inc: Short Left Moore
Comp: Short Left Cribbs 13 yards
Comp: Short Left Hillis 11 yards
Inc: Short Left Little
Comp: Short Left Hillis 2 yards
Inc: Short Left Massaquoi
Inc: Short Left Massaquoi

So, Game 1 we went left 9 times. 2 went to the RB for 13 yards. The TE caught 1 for 3 yards, (out of 2 passes) and the WR position caught 1 pass for 11 yards. (out of 5 attempts)

Game 2:
Comp: Short Left Cribbs 9 yards
Comp: Deep left Moore 16 yards
Comp: Short left Cribbs 25 yards
Comp: Short left Smith 9 yards
Comp: Short left Little 18 yards
Comp: Short left Cribbs 7 yards.

Game 2 .... which we won in convincing fashion .... McCoy went perfect tot he left. 5 short passes and 1 deep pass (16 yards) to the TE. Everything else went to the slot receivers.

Game 3:
Comp: Short left Cribbs 7 yards
Comp: Short left Watson 15 yards
Inc: Short left Massaquoi
Inc: Short left Cribbs
Inc: Short left Cribbs
Inc: Short left Smith
Comp: Short left Watson 13 yards
Comp: Short left Hardesty 8 yards
Inc: Deep left Little
Comp: Short left Little
Comp: Short left Watson 17 yards
Comp: Short left Watson 13 yards
Inc: Short left Little
Comp: Short left Hardesty 1 yard
Comp: Short left Little 10 yards
Comp: Short left Watson 6 yards
Inc: Short left A.Smith
Inc: Short left A.Smith

Again .... everything to the left is short. He threw one time to Little deep .... incomplete.

I think the problem is that McCoy just cannot throw middle to deep left. It could be because he wants to roll to the right, and so he naturally looks that way. It could be that he does roll out right and he can't throw all the way across his body to the left. McCoy is not a natural pocket passer at this point, and it definitely influences where his passes go. If we see it, and have figured it out, then so have opposing defensive coordinators. His road will keep getting harder and harder until he manages to adjust to throwing from the pocket, and using the whole field from left to right, short to deep.

On that last drive Sunday he didn't leave the pocket one time.

And everything was short with the exception of the underthrown pass to Robiske.

Right. But that show some progress that he is at least staying in the pocket and throwing to the left.

But every pass to the left, and the vast, vast majority of his completions are short passes. He rarely even throws medium deep passes. He must start using the whole field, at all levels of depth, or he will be sitting on the sideline, or in his living room, before too long. Teams can blitz and play short cover more easily than they can play any other type of defense while attempting to rush the passer. He's going to face more and more blitzes and pressure until he proves that he can beat it. Teams now see what he does well .... and we got really lucky that the Dolphins decided to ignore that and play deep coverage instead of doing what had worked for most of the game.

Ummm...isn't the West Coast offense built on short and medium passes?

Right. Even if they are short passes to the left from the pocket...

short passes to the left from the pocket > no passes to the left

That would show some signs of progression, right? And that's inside one game. Maybe as the season goes on and he gets more comfortable with the offense he will get better and better.

I'm not saying he will or won't, but it's a possibility.

as long as we win.. Colt can throw to the right side 100% of the time.. I could care less..

Where are the medium passes? Where are the passes from left sideline to right sideline? Where are the deep passes (or even medium passes) that take advantage when teams cheat up to stop the short passes?

The WCO is based on shorter passing taking the place of much of the running game. It is a sideline to sideline passing attack. You need passing to all zones in order for it to be effective. You cannot just pass short.

Further, a QB throwing almost exclusively short, but barely completing 50% of his passes is scary. McCoy averaged 7.1 yards/attempt last year. This year he is all the way down to 5.71 yards/attempt. Part of that is the completion percentage, but part is that we throw an extreme number of short passes that have no chance of going anywhere.


The thing that makes the Packers WCO offense isn't the fact that they complete a lot of short passes. They do that ..... but they also go deep fairly regularly. They throw medium depth passes, over the LB. It seems like every pass McCoy throws is within 5 yards of the LOS. Few of them have the potential to go the distance.

This is also a player who has been in this offense for what 10 weeks? Meaning his teammates have been in the offense for 10 weeks.

I think as the season progresses we will see a much more developed passing game.