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Sep 28, 2011 - The Cleveland Browns and linebacker Chris Gocong have come to terms on a three-year, $16.8 million contract extension, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.
Seems like a bit much. I didn't even think this guy would be starting at this point. He hasn't been bad in the first couple of games though.
Weird.
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I guess the Browns' FO sees something in him that's being missed by many of our resident gurus....
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I am absolutely shocked at this one. He is just not that good a linebacker, and of the three starters, would be first on my list to be replaced. Followed closely by the other two.
DQ might be a keeper, but on the outside. IMO he just doesn't have what we need in a ML.
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Wow - I'm kinda surprised by that. Not knowing the details of the contract, what's guaranteed, etc - that comes out to $350,000.00 per game if he plays 16 games all 3 years.
Stick that in your backpack and pull it out to think about it when you're watching the next game. (gees, gocong just made $350,000.00 today, while I paid out the ass for a beer.)
And yes, I know many, many, many other players make as much, AND more per game.
And I don't think a single one is worth it.
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Wonder how it's structured.
However, I don't think that Gocong fit the Eagles 4-3 ..... but we're not running the Eagle's defense. We want bigger OLB than the Eagles prefer, and bigger than Jauron has used in the past. (at least from what Jauron said in an interview I read) Gocong may be a solid fit, and obviously the team thinks so.
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I'm on the fence about this.
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The thing is that Gocong is ideal for the Eagles' defense. That's the reason they drafted him. He is a blitzer/pass rusher.
I think Gocong is our best linebacker but I would not pay him $5.6 million a year.
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The thing is that Gocong is ideal for the Eagles' defense. That's the reason they drafted him. He is a blitzer/pass rusher.
I think Gocong is our best linebacker but I would not pay him $5.6 million a year.
I didn't think that the Eagles blitz that much. In fact, I thought I heard something about the Eagles having all of their sacks from their DL.
I didn't think that they blitz all that much. Plus, until this year, Jauron really hasn't been a big blitzer either.
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Here is a nice bit on Gocong that explains his pay day a bit Quote:
Early in the second quarter, Jauron began to use his most effective blitzing package by sending linebacker Chris Gocong on inside rushes. Gocong was the defense’s unsung hero as he exhibited a slashing, attacking style on several plays. The first of which saw both Gocong and Jackson shoot inside next to Taylor – who was beginning to demand double-team attention. Jackson was swallowed up, while Gocong bounded into Henne. Gocong’s effort allowed defensive end Jayme Mitchell to collect the first of his two sacks........
However, the unsung efforts of Gocong and another solid performance from both Taylor and Rubin proved to be a turning point for a Browns defense that is earning a quality reputation. Gocong was easily the most active of Browns’ linebackers and his presence complicated Miami’s blocking schemes. Of course, with the human wall of Taylor and Rubin inside, Gocong was able to pick his spots.
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When Gocong was there, they blitzed a lot. Jim Johnson was famous for his blitzes.
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 Sounds as if the FO doesn't agree with those on this board (and others) that Gocong isn't a fit for this D....
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When Gocong was there, they blitzed a lot. Jim Johnson was famous for his blitzes.
Exactly ... He blitz more then any in the League in his time.
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Jim Johnson was from the Buddy Ryan school of blitzing. he wanted everyone to be able to blitz but his linebackers had to be able to blitz. No one blitzed more than Jim.
As for Gocong, If he was a rookie, I would be like wow he is starting to show great promise. Gocong however, is not a rookie but he is starting to show promise. All I can say is congrats on your new deal, now go out and earn it. Hope this one doesn't come back to bite us but hey so far so good for the new regime.
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Gocong...interesting. He played well last game, but before that he was decidedly ordinary...
Is Hillis going to get an extension?
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If you guys think THIS is a lot of money wait until this offseason and what AVG NFL LBs will make there...
this may be too much for Gocong but this FO is serious about BUILDING a TEAM...imagine the MESSAGE this and the other re-signings are sending into the locker room, that's invaluable....we RE-sign our own 25-27yo vet starters instead of overpaying for FA mercenaries....if one of YOUR guys you have grown to like and played years with gets a big payday it's always accepted and actually respected more by the other players in the locker room...and should motivate all of those 2nd and 3rd year players to go all out even more...I LOVE the message more than anything
Also, Gocong was injured most of TC and is just coming into form now...he's pretty good and underrated against the run and has some rush skills...and he's versatile as I think he can play all 3 spots in this D, in fact I think WLB is the least fitting one but we have a smallish MLB-only in Dqwell and Fujita is a SLB only, so Gocong became the WLB by default....but I think he's also the 1st backup at MLB and SLB with Maiava going to WLB
I'm on board with this...next up: Dqwell, Hillis and Adams..yes, even Adams, he deserves it as he is a very good #3 S/backup nickel-dime DB/spot starter...quality DEPTH
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I'm actually cool w/ this... This still doesn't stop us from bringing in LB's with the draft... We may actually get to a point where we can groom 1st/2nd round picks similar to other teams like the Steelers and let them get some learning experience from a vet.
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Agree with everything you posted. Good signing. 
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...I don't think that Gocong fit the Eagles 4-3 ..... but we're not running the Eagle's defense. ... Gocong may be a solid fit, and obviously the team thinks so.
This ^^^
Too many on here are too quick to judge our players, good or bad, with too little real information or evaluation.
Apparently the team in confident in his ability in this defense and that makes me feel a lot better. It means one piece of the puzzle, at least for the near future, is set.
I believe DQ is another. He just must prove he can stay healthy. A full season could remove any concerns there.
Fujita ain't bad either but may be a bit slow. However, sometimes knowing how to read an offense at the snap, knowing what to expect and what to do makes up for the lack of youthful speed. At the least he'll be good in the rotation once we draft someone or sometwo.
I love what the FO is doing in extending some of our guys whom they think are quality enough for the near future. With these deals for Thomas, Rubin, Hillis, Gocong and whomever else, the team is showing us a peek at who they believe to be the core of our team.
Unless I was simply not paying attention before, I don't remember any time in the recent past in which this team identified core players and got them extended so early in the season. Usually we've waited until the off-season to see what the FO has thought of our players. These guys are evaluating, making decisions and getting something done.
Right or wrong in the evaluations, at least the process is right.
Django... .."I LOVE the message more than anything"
I hadn't thought of it in this light but yes, in the doing there is a message to bust your tail and you could be next in line for a bigger payday.
I also agree with the others you mentioned including Adams.
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I think that Jackson definitely benefits from having Taylor and Rubin in front of him. I don't know if he has improved, or if he just has no one at all blocking him so he can run free to the ball.
I still see instances where he gets blocked out of plays completely, and that still concerns me. However, I am willing to watch and see how he does the rest of the season. I think that we could upgrade the position quite a bit through the draft ..... but I'm willing to be convinced over the rest of the season.
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His instincts is what sets him apart from other smallish MLB's.
I'm not familiar enough with our particular defense style and what Juron is doing with it in order to know what the "ideal" MLB is for what he wants to do. It appears ole Dick-o has already deviated somewhat from his typical Juron-style. That could be a re-consideration of the scheme or simply due to personnel.
Everyone has holes in their game and is going to get blocked out at times. Can't win 'em all so to speak. But we could be a lot worse at that position and I believe that. We've been a lot worse until this year.
Even Mangini said Thomas and DQ were the only two exempt from any cut/trade considerations when he got here. And that was DQ in a 3-4 which he is not ideally suited for. DQ's smart with great instincts and reasonably quick/fast.
We'll see. Right now I'm just geeked up that the powers that be are making core decisions at this time. It shows a lack of uncertainty and a decisiveness to build rather than just get by.
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The only reason I'm not ripping this is how much veteran salaries have gone up since they agreed to the new CBA. With rookies getting less cash, vets are getting paid. Clint Sessions, Paul Posluszny and James Anderson all got paid in the offseason. I don't think that D'Qwell is much better or worse than most of these guys, so I guess it fits the market.
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I didn't figure Gocong was next on the extension list. But the FO and coaches must see him as a cornerstone player so now is the time for him to assert himself and earn the cash.
Hope they can get something worked out with Hillis. It won't be easy considering the contracts AP and Chris Johnson just signed. But Heckert has shown a determination to lock up his core guys so I figure it'll get done.
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Jim Johnson was from the Buddy Ryan school of blitzing. he wanted everyone to be able to blitz but his linebackers had to be able to blitz. No one blitzed more than Jim.
As for Gocong, If he was a rookie, I would be like wow he is starting to show great promise. Gocong however, is not a rookie but he is starting to show promise. All I can say is congrats on your new deal, now go out and earn it. Hope this one doesn't come back to bite us but hey so far so good for the new regime.
Damn...That's a good chunk o' green for a LB that's not that great in droppin' into coverage...
Love inkin' our own guys...Love it...
I'd be interested in seeing exactly what Heckert thinks about Curry TODAY...I'd say he's worth dropping a 5-7 or even our Atlanta 4 on em'...And draft BURFICT...That falls right in line with what Heckert's been doing...Solidifying GROUPS at a time...
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Remarkable. Just an incredible pile of cash. They must see something we don't or believe he can be molded into what we need. Must be a truly tangible thang they see because that's more than I paid for my first prom date. Play up to the level CG!  
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If you guys think THIS is a lot of money wait until this offseason and what AVG NFL LBs will make there...
this may be too much for Gocong but this FO is serious about BUILDING a TEAM...imagine the MESSAGE this and the other re-signings are sending into the locker room, that's invaluable....we RE-sign our own 25-27yo vet starters instead of overpaying for FA mercenaries....if one of YOUR guys you have grown to like and played years with gets a big payday it's always accepted and actually respected more by the other players in the locker room...and should motivate all of those 2nd and 3rd year players to go all out even more...I LOVE the message more than anything
Also, Gocong was injured most of TC and is just coming into form now...he's pretty good and underrated against the run and has some rush skills...and he's versatile as I think he can play all 3 spots in this D, in fact I think WLB is the least fitting one but we have a smallish MLB-only in Dqwell and Fujita is a SLB only, so Gocong became the WLB by default....but I think he's also the 1st backup at MLB and SLB with Maiava going to WLB
I'm on board with this...next up: Dqwell, Hillis and Adams..yes, even Adams, he deserves it as he is a very good #3 S/backup nickel-dime DB/spot starter...quality DEPTH
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I think this FO is taking advantage of the cap space and signing solid transitional players. We're going to draft more LBers, and the young guys will need to develop and we also need solid depth.
This years cap space is being used effectively.
As to Hillis, I wonder how Hardesty's emergence effects his bargaining leverage. I think Hillis wants an extension but we know how greedy agents can be. OR Maybe the FO is waiting to see if the Madden curse takes hold. lol
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Wow Jango,, we agree on something.. I think that's the message they are sending..
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Exactly the right message to send to players. This is the strategy I was hoping they'd be shooting for in the off-season when the FO was quiet in the FA market.
Makes total sense. Play good here and get paid. It's that simple.
Its how you build a team for long term success.
Next, sign new deals for Hillis, DQ and I completely agree about Adams.
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Gocong isn't worth it..Jackson should have got that $$$$.
bad move by Heckart and Holgren
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LOL,, you don't think he's worth it? For sure, we are doomed
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Gocong getting paid has nothing to do with Jackson. Just because one guy gets an extension doesn't mean the other won't.
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You start over paying guys like that..you will be sooner or later.
just because Gocong got bank doesn't justify his play on the field.
what is he..the 7th highest paid LB in the league?
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so his play on the field has been bad?
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Wow Jango,, we agree on something.. I think that's the message they are sending..
yea, I know.
I just about had a heart attack after reading his post.
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The thing is that Gocong is ideal for the Eagles' defense. That's the reason they drafted him. He is a blitzer/pass rusher.
I think Gocong is our best linebacker but I would not pay him $5.6 million a year.
you are one of the local draft gurus.
Who do you think would be a likely draftee in 2012?
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You start over paying guys like that..you will be sooner or later.
just because Gocong got bank doesn't justify his play on the field.
what is he..the 7th highest paid LB in the league?
with your wisdom and insight and intimate knowledge of the budgeting concerns for an NFL team,, why aren't you working as a GM somewhere
Not for nothin, but I don't think any of us need to be concerned with the CAP or the amount of money a player gets. All we need to concern outselves with is if they can play... And Gocong has proven a whole bunch of folks on here wrong the last 3 weeks. The man CAN play the game.
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You start over paying guys like that..you will be sooner or later.
just because Gocong got bank doesn't justify his play on the field.
what is he..the 7th highest paid LB in the league?
with your wisdom and insight and intimate knowledge of the budgeting concerns for an NFL team,, why aren't you working as a GM somewhere
Not for nothin, but I don't think any of us need to be concerned with the CAP or the amount of money a player gets. All we need to concern outselves with is if they can play... And Gocong has proven a whole bunch of folks on here wrong the last 3 weeks. The man CAN play the game.
I have a feeling Jauron knows a little more about defense then we do, he is learning really quick which players he wants to keep....and has a lot of pull on how to keep them around!
They have signed Gocong for the future, not a bad deal at all.
It makes sense to me.....I have trust in this FO!
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The thing is that Gocong is ideal for the Eagles' defense. That's the reason they drafted him. He is a blitzer/pass rusher.
I think Gocong is our best linebacker but I would not pay him $5.6 million a year.
you are one of the local draft gurus.
Who do you think would be a likely draftee in 2012?
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I will go ahead and assume you meant at linebacker since that is the topic here.
Fortunately for the Browns, this is a loaded linebacker class. Vontaze Burfict (6'3" 255, Arizona State) is an animal. He is incredibly undisciplined and risky, but I firmly believe he could be the NFL's best linebacker. He is big, fast and mean.
Luke Kuechly (6'3" 235, Boston College) is a tackling machine, but I'm not a huge fan. He doesn't make enough plays for me to love him, but he is a 1st rounder. Manti T'eo (6'2" 255, Notre Dame) is similar to Kuechly but is bigger and a bit more exciting.
I also really like Zach Brown (6'2" 230, North Carolina). He is the ideal WILL linebacker and makes plays all over the field. I actually like him second behind Burfict.
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What happened to Dont'a Hightower, wasn't he an elite prospect at one point?
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He's meant for a 3-4.
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