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Browns rookie receiver Greg Little learning what it takes to succeed Published: Friday, September 30, 2011, 8:18 PM Updated: Saturday, October 01, 2011, 1:20 PM Tony Grossi, The Plain Dealer By Tony Grossi, Mention the name Greg Little to Mike Holmgren, and the Browns' president rolls his eyes. "I like him," Holmgren said. "But I'm on him constantly." Little has -- how do you phrase it? -- a strong personality. And it does seem that managing it has become an organization-wide effort, starting at the top. "I don't think he's really on my case, it's just that he's taken a special interest in me since I was drafted," Little said of Holmgren. "He wants to have that relationship with me where I can come to him and we can talk about anything in general, NFL-wise or life-wise. That's really special. Me and [former North Carolina] Coach [Butch] Davis had that. "I think he sees something in me where I can become a great player for him and this organization." That comment might tell you a lot of things. Most of them are good. Only in his fourth NFL week, Little remains one of the most intriguing players imported by General Manager Tom Heckert. After Heckert passed on Alabama's Julio Jones and traded down to select tackle Phil Taylor, he selected Little with Atlanta's second-round pick included in the deal. On a team needing a big-time receiver, Little, until time proves otherwise, probably qualifies as the top candidate. It's just that he's so raw, we might not see him fill the role for a while. "Raw? I guess that can be defined a bunch of ways," said Browns coach Pat Shurmur. "I see a guy, though, that's really eager on Sunday and finds a way to make plays. I see him improving each week -- not just running routes, but going through the process of being a pro, which means, how you approach your preparation, how you look after your body, how you keep hydrated, how you rest. All that stuff that pros have to go through." Little left a lot of game at North Carolina because he was suspended his last season for accepting improper benefits from an agent. "Guys only know what they know," Shurmur continued, "And he's been a guy blessed with tremendous athletic ability and, I don't know, but he may have been able to just get by on that skill. But at this level, if you're going to be good consistently, you've got to learn how to do the process, and I think he's doing a good job that way." Maturity always has entered any conversation about Little. He brought it up in response to a question about how he was able to make three catches in the Browns' winning drive against Miami after having just two balls thrown to him in his previous 45 plays on the field. "A receiver's job is to make a play when he's called on," Little said. "If a ball doesn't come to you until the fourth quarter with a game on the line, it's still your job. I think that's where maturity comes in. You can't get frustrated and flustered when balls aren't coming your way. You have to step up when called on." He also said he loves the two-minute, have-to-score-or-lose game situations because "you know we're going to throw the ball." Little's eight catches match Mohamed Massaquoi for the team lead among pure wideouts (tight end Ben Watson and running back Peyton Hillis have 10 each). But Little's puny 9.3-yard receiving average doesn't scream "big-play wideout." "We've practiced some downfield throws," he said. "Coach Shurmur loves to throw the ball downfield. But I have no problem with going across the middle, catching short balls, making one guy miss and picking up a first down or a 15-yard gain." It's all part of Little's development as a receiver. As he earns the confidence of the coaches and the quarterback, his routes no doubt will lengthen and his number will be called earlier in games. "I don't like to use 'raw,' I just don't consider myself peaked," Little said. "I think I have so much to learn with being a receiver. There's just so much more I can utilize. I think the sky's the limit, as long as I continue to prepare myself as I have been. Just me pushing the receiver group and them pushing me on meticulous things. I think the sky's the limit for me." Little's smile widens when the subject of making his first touchdown catch is raised. After he punted the ball into the stands after catching a TD in preseason, all eyes will be on him when it happens in a game that counts. Holmgren, for sure, will be watching. What's he got planned? The refs can swallow their whistles. "I'm going to the Dawg Pound," Little said. web page
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If your sitting with Peen tomorrow...it's just a little bit of a walk to the pound....lol Good read Mourgrym.... I vision Holmgren and Little in conversation.. eyes rolling as Holmgren states  ...lol... I like Little...Seems to like to put big hits on Defenders...
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I thought Little's play was huge on that last drive. He helped to move the sticks and also would not be tackled in bounds and made some YAC.
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I loved the determination Little showed on that play. He just would not be denied the sideline, even with defenders hanging all over him.
His speed still concerns me somewhat ....but we'll see how he develops. He's already been better than I thought he would be.
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I think Little will play faster once the game slows down for him.
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I will give Little upside but his brain needs tobring his body with it. Not sure what his "roll" is as used thus far. But shows promise. Good luck, and a good read. 
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What's he got planned? The refs can swallow their whistles.
"I'm going to the Dawg Pound," Little said.
With our luck he will score in the "other" end zone then get flagged for running 120 yards to the other end to jump into the pound 
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There’s something about Greg Little that sets him apart from the other Browns.
Maybe it’s his body, the V-shaped back and muscles rippling over muscles. Maybe it’s his fun-loving personality, the one that keeps his teammates smiling and a few laughing as he dances near his locker following practice. Maybe it’s his attitude, a swagger that drips of stardom — and has coach Pat Shurmur and team president Mike Holmgren taking a special interest in Little.
Or maybe it’s that the rookie wide receiver just might be Cleveland’s best playmaker.
Shurmur spent a big chunk of the Browns’ bye week trying to figure out how to jump-start a West Coast offense lacking direction. There’s a lot to consider, but Shurmur may find the best solution is to get the ball more often to Little, who is ready to take on a bigger role.
“Yeah,” Little said, his eyes widening at the idea. “Any skill player on this team if you ask them, they want the ball.”
It may be time for the Browns (2-2) to force feed it to the 6-foot-2, 220-pound Little, one of those players who fit under the ’physical freak’ heading. A former running back, he’s imposing in stature and a nightmare for any defensive back — or linebacker for that matter — to handle.
“The guy’s as big as me,” said Browns middle linebacker D’Qwell Jackson.
Little’s role has steadily increased through four games, a result of his growing confidence as well as quarterback Colt McCoy’s trust that if he throws it toward Little, it will be caught.
Last week against Tennessee, Little had a team-high six receptions for 57 yards. He hauled in a 25-yarder and four of his receptions went for first downs. One week earlier, Little had three receptions on Cleveland’s game-winning touchdown drive against Miami. On each of them, Little broke tackles as he fought for yardage.
With the game was on the line, Little gave a glimpse of his potential.
“At that point in the game, it’s all about competing,” he said, quickly turning the discussion from his efforts to what the team accomplishes. “It’s all about beating the guy in front of you. That’s just kind of when your instincts take over as a football player, and you just go and not think. That’s what you see in us when we’re in those two-minute situations or just in a no-huddle offense. Guys are just going.
“We’re not jumping offsides. We’re not fumbling the ball on the snap. We’re not dropping passes. We’re just hitting it and we’re going.”
Spoken like a veteran, and not a first-year player. But Little does seem polished on and off the field.
There were some who wondered if the Browns were taking a huge risk when they selected Little in the second round. Despite a glaring need for a wideout, Browns general manager Tom Heckert passed on Julio Jones and traded down to first pick defensive tackle Phil Taylor before taking Little with the second-round pick he obtained from Atlanta.
Little was suspended for his final season at North Carolina, punished by the NCAA for accepting improper gifts from an agent. That alone may have raised red flags for many teams, but after doing an extensive background check on him, the Browns brought Little aboard. And he hasn’t given them a single reason to regret it.
Shurmur, though, has been keeping close tabs on his rookie. The first-year coach has chatted frequently with his young player since training camp opened.
Shurmur likes Little, sees his potential and doesn’t want to see him waste it.
“The extra talks are daily and it depends on what’s happened with what the talks relate to,” Shurmur said this week. “It could be those (shoe) laces are going to cost you $5,000 to whatever. I enjoy him because he can make plays, I enjoy the fact that he likes to play the game and he’s a football player. I enjoy working with him. But, the talks they haven’t stopped, they’re pretty consistent.”
Holmgren, too, sees something special in Little.
“I like him,” Holmgren said. “Don’t tell him that.”
Little appreciates the added attention. He feels a connection with Shurmur like the one he had with Tar Heels coach Butch Davis, Cleveland’s coach from 2001-04.
“I like to gravitate to my coaches and have that joking-type relationship,” he said. “One time he (Shurmur) yelled at me and was like, ’does the yelling bother you?’ and I was like, ’coach, I’ve been yelled at before.’ We have that type of relationship where he can coach me how he wants and I can take it all in stride. I really enjoy being around him.”
Through four games, Little has 14 catches for 131 yards. The Browns are beginning to realize he might be their best weapon, and one they can unleash starting Oct. 16 at Oakland.
Little won’t demand the ball, it’s not his style. But that doesn’t mean he’ll shy away from asking Shurmur to be more involved in Cleveland’s offense.
“We have a relationship where I can suggest things to coach,” he said. “Even though I am a rookie when I see things on the field he takes some consideration to it and he’s not just ’Oh, this guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about.’ Not only am I going to suggest things but I’ll ask for the ball.”
Shurmur loves Little’s desire, particularly on game day.
“Sunday is his favorite day,” he said. “When he puts that uniform on, he brightens up and he’s ready to roll. Not that he doesn’t practice hard, but there
Surrounded by reporters this week, Little didn’t need much prompting to do an impersonation of Davis, mimicking his former coach’s high-pitched Southern drawl.
He wouldn’t dare do an imitation of Shurmur, would he?
Little looked around and nodded.
“He doesn’t know about it,” he said. “But I do it in the locker room.
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I also read somewhere else that Little will start Sunday against the Raiders. Gotta think Robiske goes to the bench, right?
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Littles got game. He is going to be really good for us soon.
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I've liked what I've seen from him so far.
He seems to bring a bit of energy to the plays that involve hm. Got a little shake, and I like how he fights ffo YAC (if he's led properly with the pass).
If this is the worst we'll see from hmi as a rook, I see a good bit of upside here. It's obvious that he has reached his ceiling yet, so it will be fun to see how he develops.
Hope he develops quickly. This team is too weak at WR to wait for the "3rd-year lightbulb" every time we draft a wideout.
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Maybe they can fix him up with one of them snowdrift flags they use in winter , so other drivers can see them over the drifts , so our midget QB can find him in the crowd . 
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By Fred Greetham
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Posted Oct 10, 2011
After evaluating the Browns' personnel groupings during the team's bye week, head coach Pat Shurmur moved rookie wide out Greg Little into the starting 'X' spot.
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BEREA — Cleveland Browns head coach Pat Shurmur said he was going to look at personnel groupings during the team’s bye week. One of the first noticeable changes is rookie Greg Little is now a starting wide receiver.
“Greg Little has played over 200 snaps and he’s going to be the starter at the ‘X’ spot,” Shurmur said. “I’m optimistic about (Little) as we move forward.”
Little will replace Brian Robiskie, opposite Mohamed Massaquoi on the depth chart.
Little has 14 receptions for 131 yards (a 9.4 yards per catch average) with a long of 25 yards in four games. Little had his best game against the Titans with six receptions for 57 yards. Little said the change from starter is really not a big deal.
“I would say that I’ve been out there a lot,” Little said. “I think I have been out there the most plays of the receivers. I’ve been out there to start some games and been in on the second or third plays in others. I don’t think starting will be a big difference.”
Little appreciates the vote of confidence from his head coach.
“Coach Shurmur has confidence in me and I just want to execute on Sunday.”
Little could provide the deep threat and the yards after the catch that has been missing in the Browns’ offense.
“When Coach Shurmur calls on me to do something, I will do it,” he said. “Whether, that’s going deep, doing a short crossing pattern or whatever. I want to execute to the best of my ability.”
Colt McCoy and Little seem to have developed a good chemistry. On the game-winning drive against Miami, McCoy connected with Little three times. Against the Titans, McCoy hit Little for a 25-yard gain, which was Little’s longest of the season.
“(McCoy) knows where I’m going to be,” Little said.
Little (6-foot-2, 220 pounds) was advertised as a receiver who could break tackles and make big plays on short passes, which is key to the West Coast offense.
“I just want to be physical and run with some assertiveness and be strong with the ball in your hand,” Little said. “Any play maker in this league has to be good running after the catch and being able to break at least one tackle.”
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Hillis Speaks: Running back Peyton Hillis spoke to the media for the first time since his agent, Kennard McGuire, spoke out last week saying he advised Hillis not to play Sept. 25 against Miami. Hillis said he felt his agent had his best interest at heart.
“He knows my heart and how I was feeling,” Hillis said.
Hillis said he was too sick to play, regardless of what his agent said.
Hillis said he feels bad if Browns fans think he would sit out over his contract.
“I’m the kind of guy who feels ashamed if people think I wouldn’t play (over a contract),” Hillis said. “I treat every day like it’s my last.”
In 2010, Hillis was the focal point of the Browns’ offense and he said he doesn’t mind if that’s not the case in 2011.
“A lot more guys need to be involved (in the offense),” Hillis said.
Hillis said he feels he always has to prove his value.
“That’s the way it is,” he said. “I feel you have to prove yourself every year.”
Hillis was asked if he had any regrets about his decision to not play against Miami.
“I don’t have any regrets,” he said. “I feel I did the right thing for myself and the team. Perception is reality. I feel I play hard and give a full effort when I play.”
Hillis was asked about his value regarding his contract situation.
“I don’t deserve anything,” Hillis said. “The Lord gives me everything I have.”
Shurmur said he has talked with Hillis and wants to get ready for the rest of the season.
“I talk to Peyton every day,” he said. “He’s looking forward to playing the games.”
Shurmur said he is tired of talking about it.
“Because I keep getting questions about it,” Shurmur said. “I’d like to move on and get ready to play Oakland.”
Mack in Berea: Center Alex Mack (appendicitis) was in Berea, although he didn’t practice. Cornerback Joe Haden (knee) was kept inside and wide reciever Josh Cribbs (knee) practiced on a limited basis. Shurmur said Mack took mental reps and Cribbs is feeling ‘much better.’
“It’s too early to tell (on Mack and Haden) for (Sunday’s game),” Shurmur said. “Once we make a determination on that, we’ll let you know.”
Sam and Colt: Shurmur was a part of the development of quarterback Sam Bradford as a rookie in St. Louis last year and he is overseeing McCoy’s development here.
“It’s the same process going through it,” Shurmur said. “It’s not much different. Sam had his ups and downs and had a good stretch down there in the second half of the season.”
Shurmur said there are different parts of the game that both are better at.
“There are some things Colt does better than Sam and vice versa.”
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This is great news. Robiskie is just not a starter. Maybe not even a backup.
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This is great news. Robiskie is just not a starter. Maybe not even a backup.
It was a mater of time, not getting open, not getting separation. Decent hands yet just no speed and does not have the confidence of his QB for even when he is open he is not looked at.
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my question is,why did it take the coaching staff 4 games to figure out what alot of us knew already.....that Robiskie is not cut out to be a NFL WR.
Greg Little might be able to turn into that Anquan Boldin type WR.
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According to 3 or 4 different accounts I have read/heard from reporters, including Mary Kay Cabot, who is usually a huge QB apologist ..... the receivers are getting open.
We'll see is having a bigger body the throw to on the outside helps McCoy, or whether fans will bury yet another Browns player in the name of the QB.
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I guess it was a mix of 2 things..and nothing had to do with Robo:
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2. Little's ego....can hand a guy like that a starting gig just like that, it's common to give the vet the 1st shot at something...gotta make him earn it and keep him hungry to prove himself....he earned it after only 4 weeks, now he's got to keep it
I didn't like the Little pick since he was too much boom or bust for me in the 2nd (and we wasted 2 picks since we traded up to get him) but if he booms he was well worth it...ego/attitude and consistency are the 2 things to watch going forward
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my question is,why did it take the coaching staff 4 games to figure out what alot of us knew already.....that Robiskie is not cut out to be a NFL WR.
Greg Little might be able to turn into that Anquan Boldin type WR.
Because Little has been in the process of becoming a NFL receiver.
He has taken some steps and now we'll see if he is ready to take his next step.
We did not Draft him in the second round to set on the bench, but I don't think anyone thought that he would be ready to take on a starting role so quickly, so this is a good sign I think.
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my question is,why did it take the coaching staff 4 games to figure out what alot of us knew already.....that Robiskie is not cut out to be a NFL WR.
Greg Little might be able to turn into that Anquan Boldin type WR.
There is a simple answer to that.. you guys that thought you knew something were basing your thinking on Robos lack of production. The team based thier decision off thier ability to see what was going on on the field.. THE WHOLE FIELD, not just where the ball was thrown as the networks show it,.
I defended Robo and given the same circumstances, I'd do it again. But I bow to the folks that have the tape and can watch it with the eye from a person that knows what's supposed to happen.
That's the answer as I see it., Of course, you won't agree...,
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I didn't like the Little pick since he was too much boom or bust for me in the 2nd (and we wasted 2 picks since we traded up to get him)
 Huh?
We trade back in the first and got an extra 2...
The traded up in the first and gave up a 3...
How did we trade up for Little?
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We did not trade up to get him. He was Atlanta's second rounder.
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We did not trade up to get him. He was Atlanta's second rounder.
Right we got Taylor [giving up our 3rd] and Little and another 1st and 4th round picks next April, so Atlanta could draft Julio Jones.
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We did not trade up to get him. He was Atlanta's second rounder.
Right we got Taylor [giving up our 3rd] and Little and another 1st and 4th round picks next April, so Atlanta could draft Julio Jones.
I guess sometimes even the guys that profess to know it all make mistakes.
Or maybe they don't know it all.
Yeah, yeah, a "simple" mistake. But when it comes from someone that thinks they know it all...........
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We did not trade up to get him. He was Atlanta's second rounder.
You guys are absolutely right....brainfart on my part. We traded up for Hardesty in 2010 and Taylor and Pinkston in 2011.
I just pretended to view the Jones-trade that way (including Taylor uptrade and Little pick) and now I really thought we traded up from our 3rd to low 2nd, because bottom line we ended up with a 1st and 4th 2012 and for this last draft we got Taylor, a virtual "trade up" from our 3rd to ATL's 2nd (since "our" 3rd was used to secure Taylor) and ATL's 4th...we really "lost" value this last draft....looking at just last draft we traded down from 6 to 24 for a 4th and a small trade up from high 3rd to low 2nd...for 2011, we got 1 more player out of this which ended up being Marecic...needless to say, the real benefit of this big trade will come next April
So while we didn't trade up for Little it "felt" that way because we didn't have a pick until the 4th
Anyway, with Little now officially a starter...do you guys realize that almost our entire 2011 draft class is starting now? Taylor, Sheard, Little, Marecic, Skrine (3rd CBs play 50% snaps and by Shurmur's account he's the outside-CB backup not Patterson), Pinkston...that's 6 rookie starters...add to that Haden, Ward, Hardesty (similar to Skrine), McCoy and Lauvao from 2010 and you can see that Heckert was a big upgrade at GM....now, many are far from being even good or AVG NFL starters but they have NFL quality at least and still uspide left...right now no busts in the top 100
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I didn't like the Little pick since he was too much boom or bust for me in the 2nd (and we wasted 2 picks since we traded up to get him)
We did not trade up to get him. He was Atlanta's second rounder.
You guys are absolutely right....brainfart on my part. We traded up for Hardesty in 2010 and Taylor and Pinkston in 2011.
I just pretended to view the Jones-trade that way (including Taylor uptrade and Little pick) and now I really thought we traded up from our 3rd to low 2nd, because bottom line we ended up with a 1st and 4th 2012 and for this last draft we got Taylor, a virtual "trade up" from our 3rd to ATL's 2nd (since "our" 3rd was used to secure Taylor) and ATL's 4th...we really "lost" value this last draft....looking at just last draft we traded down from 6 to 24 for a 4th and a small trade up from high 3rd to low 2nd...for 2011, we got 1 more player out of this which ended up being Marecic...needless to say, the real benefit of this big trade will come next April
So while we didn't trade up for Little it "felt" that way because we didn't have a pick until the 4th
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I didn't like the Little pick since he was too much boom or bust for me in the 2nd (and we wasted 2 picks since we traded up to get him)
We did not trade up to get him. He was Atlanta's second rounder.
You guys are absolutely right....brainfart on my part. We traded up for Hardesty in 2010 and Taylor and Pinkston in 2011.
I just pretended to view the Jones-trade that way (including Taylor uptrade and Little pick) and now I really thought we traded up from our 3rd to low 2nd, because bottom line we ended up with a 1st and 4th 2012 and for this last draft we got Taylor, a virtual "trade up" from our 3rd to ATL's 2nd (since "our" 3rd was used to secure Taylor) and ATL's 4th...we really "lost" value this last draft....looking at just last draft we traded down from 6 to 24 for a 4th and a small trade up from high 3rd to low 2nd...for 2011, we got 1 more player out of this which ended up being Marecic...needless to say, the real benefit of this big trade will come next April
So while we didn't trade up for Little it "felt" that way because we didn't have a pick until the 4th
You should go into politics.
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He wouldn't make it in politics. First he admitted he was wrong. The he said what he really thought that made him wrong. Then he explained what happened that made him think wrongly and why it "felt" that way. Far too honest for politics. 
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Yeah, TopDawg is just another stalker of mine...his only purpose on this board seems to be evolving into Daman v.2.0 He even stopped posting his CFB bets when I wanted to go all peeing match with him as he claimed to be a 75% capper ATS (pretty much impossible over the long haul)  ...that would have been fun...since then he barks at me at every stupid opportunity....guess I have to start treating him like a dog, if you know what I mean...and I fully expect him to bark even louder at the start of this treatment Meanwhile, we didn't trade up for Little and I should stop trying to explain my thought process on a ugh-ugh board...they ugh-ugh back anyway 
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Anyway, with Little now officially a starter...do you guys realize that almost our entire 2011 draft class is starting now? Taylor, Sheard, Little, Marecic, Skrine (3rd CBs play 50% snaps and by Shurmur's account he's the outside-CB backup not Patterson), Pinkston...that's 6 rookie starters...add to that Haden, Ward, Hardesty (similar to Skrine), McCoy and Lauvao from 2010 and you can see that Heckert was a big upgrade at GM....now, many are far from being even good or AVG NFL starters but they have NFL quality at least and still uspide left...right now no busts in the top 100
back to the important part of that post. and you might not need to put in the disclaimer on Skrine if he starts for Haden this week.
Heckert has definitely done an admirable job building through the draft so far in his tenure here. Most of the consistent contenders have 2 main things in common: 1. Good QB play 2. Good draft picks
It seems obvious, but it's also something we have not had since the return. Let's hope that these guys continue to grow and the draft picks in the future solidify the weak spots and depth.
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I didn't like the Little pick since he was too much boom or bust for me in the 2nd (and we wasted 2 picks since we traded up to get him)
We did not trade up to get him. He was Atlanta's second rounder.
You guys are absolutely right....brainfart on my part. We traded up for Hardesty in 2010 and Taylor and Pinkston in 2011.
I just pretended to view the Jones-trade that way (including Taylor uptrade and Little pick) and now I really thought we traded up from our 3rd to low 2nd, because bottom line we ended up with a 1st and 4th 2012 and for this last draft we got Taylor, a virtual "trade up" from our 3rd to ATL's 2nd (since "our" 3rd was used to secure Taylor) and ATL's 4th...we really "lost" value this last draft....looking at just last draft we traded down from 6 to 24 for a 4th and a small trade up from high 3rd to low 2nd...for 2011, we got 1 more player out of this which ended up being Marecic...needless to say, the real benefit of this big trade will come next April
So while we didn't trade up for Little it "felt" that way because we didn't have a pick until the 4th
Anyway, with Little now officially a starter...do you guys realize that almost our entire 2011 draft class is starting now? Taylor, Sheard, Little, Marecic, Skrine (3rd CBs play 50% snaps and by Shurmur's account he's the outside-CB backup not Patterson), Pinkston...that's 6 rookie starters...add to that Haden, Ward, Hardesty (similar to Skrine), McCoy and Lauvao from 2010 and you can see that Heckert was a big upgrade at GM....now, many are far from being even good or AVG NFL starters but they have NFL quality at least and still uspide left...right now no busts in the top 100
Considering we went from Dwight Clark( who blew two entire drafts..we have our kicker)to Pete " Stooge" Garcia, who never let character stand in the way of a bad pick( we even picked a guy arrested for theft who was jailed after we drafted him) to Opie who threw $$$$ to secure questionable free agents and whose drafts were in the end poor and $$$ at DA for 8 games of top performance. then to the ultimate yes man Kokinis who with Mangini orchestrated horrible trades and a draft that would make Dwight Clark proud.
WE had npwhere to go but up and our new GM should be commended.
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Yeah, TopDawg is just another stalker of mine...his only purpose on this board seems to be evolving into Daman v.2.0
He even stopped posting his CFB bets when I wanted to go all peeing match with him as he claimed to be a 75% capper ATS (pretty much impossible over the long haul) ...that would have been fun...since then he barks at me at every stupid opportunity....guess I have to start treating him like a dog, if you know what I mean...and I fully expect him to bark even louder at the start of this treatment
Meanwhile, we didn't trade up for Little and I should stop trying to explain my thought process on a ugh-ugh board...they ugh-ugh back anyway
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a virtual "trade up" from our 3rd to ATL's 2nd (since "our" 3rd was used to secure Taylor) and ATL's 4th...we really "lost" value this last draft....looking at just last draft we traded down from 6 to 24 for a 4th and a small trade up from high 3rd to low 2nd...for 2011, we got 1 more player out of this which ended up being Marecic...needless to say, the real benefit of this big trade will come next April
I don't really get what you're saying. You try to say we lost value but you also admitted 1/2 of the value isn't even realized to the 2012 draft...?
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there's also the chance that Phil Taylor ends up being as good or better than Julio Jones. both players have played well in their rookie years. so, that would also be considered a benefit to the trade down (as I value DL over WR)
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