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Soon, in this very thread, we will hear things like,,,you never pass on a Franchise QB

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they are foolish in that not one of those three guys can make a difference without that Dang line.. NOT ONE OF THEM,,,,,,

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Sorry if I sound a little annoyed,,, But geez,,, we need to address the foundation of this team

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Now if he can land thomas in the first,, we really and truely have the makings of a very very good if not great Oline... It may take a year to gel,, but I believe the foundation will be there,,

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your correct .. BUT if we pass on Joe in rnd 1 and take a gaurd in 2 AND OR 3 ... we will stillahve improved the FOUNDATION alot and have a shot at a solid OL in 08 .... plus then we can take a LT in rnd 1 or 2 next year if the opportunity presents itself ..

U see heres your problem ... especially with me skippy ... I am the #1 advocate of OL(DL also) ... I've preached it since day 1 on the board ... and i have NEVER EVER wanted the "sexy" pick ... NOT ONCE ... matter of fact for the last two years we've been at exact ends of the spectrum before the year started on how good our OL will be .. and we both know whos been right ... ....

so i am not one of these dolts that changes from OL to skill player as the draft gets closer ... yet i still want the skill guy this year .. whys that?? its really really simple .. QB IS BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION ON A FOOTBALL TEAM ... and its not even close .. and even though u dont like it ....its A FACT ...

U DONT PASS ON A FRANCHIOSE QB .... period ..

sorry skippy, but its true ... fortunatly for U and many others BQ will go to Detroit .. so we will have a shot at Joe .. and if thats the case I will be dissapointed but THRILLED at the same time .. when u get either BQ or Joe its a cause for CELEBRATION .... even though many wont see it that way .. well thats their problem .. their lack of football acumen wont affect how good those two will be .. .. the only problem here .. and it is a MAJOR ONE is we pass on either Joe and/or BQ for anyone else .. then were SCREWED till Opies gone as he just dont get it ...

B .. i agree all coaches will say that football is won on the trenches .. but TALKS CHEAP ... and then u see how some FRANCHISES continue to ignore the OL and/or DL ... like ours until Opie showed up .. (sorry Vers .. the draft is the way to go l agree .. but he has brought in one or two OL man every year .. thats HARDLY IGNORING it .. it isnt the right way to build it but thats not IGNORING IT . ) ..

so although they say the OL and DL is where games our won their ACTIONS say they believe different ... no???

all those who believe were courting BQ to generate trade interest .. u guys are hillarious .. if we make it known we want BQ all were doing is generating interest in Detroits pick ... there going to want to get ahead of us to take him .. not trade with us .. *LOL* ...

our best move for trading is PRAYING that someone thinks Gruden wants BQ or Calvin ... casue then they may trade up with us to get them ... but this is a BAD DRAFT to trade down in ... we need PLAYMAKERS ... and we are ASSURED one at 3 ....

although trading down is popular .. its not the year to do it ... we need PLAYMAKERS and DIFFERENCE MAKERS ... and Joe/BQ and Calvin all fit that description ..

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sorry skippy, but its true ... fortunatly for U and many others BQ will go to Detroit .. so we will have a shot at Joe

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I am so confident Detroit will not take Quinn, I already made a sig bet on it.

That's good for you Diam, I think Detroit will trade down or Take Thomas, Peterson, or Johnson. Probably Thomas....

JMO

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If the Browns do what the average fan wants..and the offense bogs down, I fear many will go the way of this..

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we need PLAYMAKERS and DIFFERENCE MAKERS ... and Joe/BQ and Calvin all fit that description ..

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(sorry but anyone that wants AP over either of these two just don't get it .. ) ....

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I guess I "just don't don't get it"

I want and believe that AP makes us a better team right NOW, while I would not be upset AT ALL with Thomas, I just don't feel he makes as much as an IMMEDIATE IMPACT as AP does. I will readily admit that I could be wrong on THomas's Immediate impact, as I DO understand how he improves TWO positions by allowing us to move Shaffer to the RT position, but......I beleive it WILL TAKE TIME for Thomas to adapt to the NFL LT demands. AP Improves us from the day he steps on the field.

I would not be upset AT ALL if we take Joe Thomas over AP, a little disappionted yes, but only a little .

I just feel Quinn will take to much time to develop into the QB you feel he can be. Will he eventually be the Franchise QB you want him to be, maybe, probably even, but we don't have the luxury of waiting on him to develop no matter what type of line we put in front of him.

Switching coaching staff's (which is what will happen if Romeo doesn't noticabley improve THIS YEAR), will only delay that time a QB needs to develop.

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Will he eventually be the Franchise QB you want him to be, maybe, probably even, but we don't have the luxury of waiting on him to develop no matter what type of line we put in front of him.

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IF THE BROWNS DON'T FIX THE OFFENSIVE LINE RIGHT, NOTHING ELSE ON OFFENSE MATTERS.

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I have been preaching that since 1999. If you build it they (the wins) will come. Not just the O-line, but the D-line as well

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LMMFAO...That's ME..........................TODAY

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hmmm I thought your voice was a little deeper than that

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and Peterson isn't a PLAYMAKER or DIFFERENCE MAKER??????

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I guess I "just don't don't get it"

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admitting it is the first step ... theres hope for u after all ..

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I want and believe that AP makes us a better team right NOW,

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while I would not be upset AT ALL with Thomas, I just don't feel he makes as much as an IMMEDIATE IMPACT as AP does.

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Switching coaching staff's (which is what will happen if Romeo doesn't noticabley improve THIS YEAR),

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1. thats just an ASSumption ...
2. if we take Joe or BQ that will give RAC more wiggle room .. cause they will take longer to develop ..
3. were going to IMPROVE for a WHOLE LOT OF REASONS regardless of anything else we do this off season .. here a short list ..

A. our division is COMING BACK TO US .. name one team in our division that is going to improve??? NONE ..... they've all ALL READY LOST KEY PLAYERS ... and the Stilers are getting KILLED having lost Porter, hartings and hiring a new coach .. we will have a realistic chance of winning 2 possibly 3 games in our division ..

B. along the same lines .. WE'VE IMPROVED with Stien ... thats HUGE all by itself .. and were not done ... so were MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND THERE MOVING BACK ..

C. our out of division schedule will be easier .. I dont even know who we play this year but it has to be EASIER THAN LAST YEARS .. we played a VERY TOUGH OUT OF DIVISION SCHEDULE last year ..

D. All our KIDS will have another years experience .. for KW, DQ, KW2 (fingers crossed), Jones, Pool and even Brey that will be HUGE .. i HIGHLY DOUBT either Frye or Anderson is are starting QB next year .. we either get BQ or aquire a vet IMO .. but if they are .. they to will have another years experience ..

were going to be a better football team (possibly much better .. no not playoff better but IMPROVED ... ) playing a weaker schedule ... RAC's job will be EASIER THIS YEAR .. does that mean he makes it?? No ... but it is not near as doom and gloom as most on here or in the media want to make it out to be ,..

BQ/Joe or BUST should be are motto ...

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I fear many will go the way of this..

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Was that soup?

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Its really quite simple .. the QB touches the ball on every play ... that oughta end the debate right there ..

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The center touches the ball on every play also

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So does a Ref.

We need to buy one of those.





I'm in a quandry here. Diam makes a lot of sense in taking the QB. True, we can take the LT and quickly build the line for the long haul. But, if we do take the LT, can we get a QB one or two years from now? Whereas if we take the QB, we can likely still get an LT next year. Is that too late?

Part of me is all in favor of concentrating on the OL. The LT would, due to the other moves drafting him makes possible, set us up to have an above average line in '08.

The other part is if the QB is truely a franchise QB, the improvements made in the line thus far, with the addition of a first-day guard, could be enough to give him a fighting chance from opening day. That would make him an excellant pick. By '08 the line could be further improved, plus having a year together, and the QB would have a year under his belt.

In that scenario, '08 could be a very competitive season for the Browns.

However, if we build the line exclusively this year and Charlie proves to not have what it takes, even with a better line, where are we in our QB search? There are no free agent QB's to speak of and we may not be in a position next draft to take one. It could require us to trade up for a QB and still have to wait an additional year for him to get his feet wet. Plus, trading up means losing valuable draft picks of which we need everyone we can get.

If Quinn truely is a franchise-type QB then it's almost a no-braineer to take him and finish the line next season. LT's can be had in the second round if need be. Maybe not the "top 5" talent we seek, but surely better than "here, let me take that touchdown back" Shaffer.

I agree also that the easier schedule and the upheaval of our divisional opponents should gain us a better win/loss record this upcoming season. The defenses we'll face won't be nearly as brutal as those we faced early last season. That may help both the OL and the QB.

Quinn/Thomas. Thomas/Quinn. I just can't get a grip on it.

If we pick AP, then I'm afraid building for the future will have been the most smoke Savage has blown thus far.

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...are we just gonna keep saying "We ignore the O-line" until we take a draft and spend all 7 picks on offensive linemen?

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However, if we build the line exclusively this year and Charlie proves to not have what it takes, even with a better line, where are we in our QB search? There are no free agent QB's to speak of and we may not be in a position next draft to take one. It

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And do what the first four rounds?

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well since u asked

1) Adrian Peterson
2) Quentin Moses
3) Ryan McBean
4) Jay Alford

improved running game... young help on the defensive line... and 5-7 are offensive line prospects that could either help and become starters, or become reliable backups.

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and 5-7 are offensive line prospects that could either help and become starters, or become reliable backups.

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And do what the first four rounds?

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Don't encourage him!

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U seem to forget we going to draft a CB..day one..

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U seem to forget we going to draft a CB..day one..

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The center touches the ball on every play also

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So does the Ref.... Maybe we should draft a Franchise Ref.

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And do what the first four rounds?

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