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He does not at all suck. He's a really good football player.

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11. Browns 3-3 QB Ryan Tannehill Texas A&M
Colt McCoy has the Browns at 3-3 and he has thrown 8 touchdowns and only 4 interceptions but a completion percentage of 56 when you throw beyond 5 yards twice a game? He still has plenty of time to right the ship and I want Colt to succeed but my confidence in the young man is reaching bottom.

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

If we can't go up for a Barkley or even Jones then I'd just assume rather suffer through another year of McCoy...Don't stretch for a QB just because we may need one...I hate that...It's exactly what Minny did with Ponder and Tenn with Locker...Hell even Jax did it with Gabbert...

I would be jumping all over if we could somehow land Claiborne at Corner and Burfict...Solidify one side of the ball and get another End...I would then back that up with a DAY ONE starting RT in Round 2...IF value is there...Or get that DE...Even a FS could be in play in 2...

DO NOT REACH FOR A QB.....

I don't buy this Holmgren brilliance in developing QB's...He's not even a HC anymore...

Right now Tannehill is my 3rd ranked QB and rising. He is a tad raw but he is well coached and he has everything you want in a QB.

Barkley is the best college QB in this draft but he is limited physically. If he had a stronger arm and was a couple inches taller, he would be ahead of Luck, but he doesn't and has fallen to 4th for me. I still think he is a strong top 10 talent.

Jones scares me the most but damn that boy has an arm and he has about as quick of a release as I have seen in a very long time. I have him 2nd because I love the physical skill set but man I keep getting that gut feeling with him, and it isn't a good feeling. He just seems destined for Miami.

I think the big 4 are likely to all go in the top 10.

I still have Griffin ahead of Weeden as well. they are early 2nd late first talent. frankly they are more talented than several of last years first rounders.

I'm no draft guru by any means.

But I've seen things written that say that Luck and Barkley don't have the strongest arms.

So what makes them different from the McCoy argument that McCoy doesn't have a strong arm?

Is it that their arms are stronger than McCoy's, but not as strong as say Landry's? Are they strong enough to make all the throws?

I guess I'm just confused when people say that Luck (and some say Barkley, too) is the most surefire guaranteed stud, but that he doesn't have a strong arm.

I'm no guru, either. But, the reason I prefer Barkley over Luck (Yeah, I said it), is Luck's constantly throws to receivers that are wide open, and he only reads half the field a lot.

Barkley on the other hand, is already reading the entire field, looking off DB's, and making NFL throws (Throwing unopen receivers open).

I'm sure Deep will be along to tell me what I'm wrong about here, but that's what I see...

Barkley - Drew Brees - May take a few years to get there but could possibly be a top tier QB

Luck - Peyton Manning - Self Explanatory, However Luck is 100x the athlete Manning is, which is where the Elway comparisons come in.

IMO

Barkley does nothing that makes me think "wow, this guy is a franchise QB." He plays like your average USC QB. He will be just as average in the NFL. He has the tendency to throw some passes that make me think WTF and not in a good way.

I don't see Peyton Manning in Andrew Luck at all.

Andrew Luck is overrated.

I'm not saying he's not good, but everyone should stop with the Peyton Manning comparisons. He's probably more of a Phillip Rivers type.

I'm not saying Luck is going to come in and run his own offense or anything...

But as "annoyed" as some people are by everyone saying Luck will be great...

So are the people saying he won't...

I'm not saying anything, I'm just saying...

Good answer Senator.

I'll just throw in my two cents...

First and foremost, Luck and Barkley have much stronger arms than Colt. I'd say Luck's arm is average for an NFL starter, and Barkley's is slightly above average.

I definitely have Barkley has my #2 QB and to be honest, I don't get the criticisms. For one, he is incredibly smart. He is also one of the most accurate passers to enter the draft in recent years. He doesn't have a Matthew Stafford type arm, but it is not nearly as bad as some people are making it sound.

I think Barkley can be a Drew Brees type player, and while I don't have a good comparison for Luck, I think the latter can be slightly better.

Ya if we were in a position where luck wasnt reachable (I even think 3 firsts is too low of a price to be honest, so we probably wont be able to snag him), I think Barkley has the tools. I want Colt to pan out so we can hit on a WR or something but if we're in position to grab Barkley it probably means Colt didn't pan out :P

I'm not.

#ihatesecrets

honestly, I don't think we end up in position to draft Luck, Barkely or Landry. I think Miami, Indy and Seattle all end up with worse records and I think all 3 draft a QB.

yes, I think Indy is drafting a QB even if they miss out on Luck. they know how they have built their team and they know they won't have the opportunity to draft this high if Peyton stays healthy for a couple of seasons.

LOL

Its ACCEPTING not excepting... and that is a mistake that a guy named Pit used to make every single time and he posted here a lot.....

I usually don't go for spelling and grammar smack unless it is something funny.. and I knew some people would get the joke.

And on a side note, "Pit" was in reference to the dog breed, not that black and yellow team from PA...

I'm up to speed now

#mulligan

How did I miss this thread? Nice job Mourg

Again, I trust your gut feeling with Tannehill but he's too raw to go in the 1st normally, but stranger things have happened....haven't seen enough of him, will try to catch some Aggies games. What scares me most is his 7/9 TD/INT ratio against ranked teams...if he can't solve decent to good CFB teams he's not ready for the big show...1.5years QBing in College also is simply not enough experience, he's too raw and too much of a gamble at this point

L.Jones is this year's version of A.Smith, Rodgers, Gabbert = a shoutgun QB...he has the best arm but he's so raw with the rest, he needs a complete overhaul and you never know how he's going to come out of it or if he can adjust

Barkley is as day 1 ready as Luck but I simply don't see much upside and playmaking skills...he looks like a pro style version of McCoy with better arm and better mental skills (reading Ds, progressions etc)...so he IS Colt's ceiling which would be an upgrade obviously....the question is: how much upside is left in there? I'm warming up to him but he just does not have that Top QB feeling to him, more like "what you see is what you get"

Someone mentioned Foles and he's a sleeper guy to look for...and I obviously am the only Weeden fan around. Scouts love him and on tape he's really up there with the rest...if we can't get 1 of the higher rated ones I'd rather gamble a 2nd/3rd on Weeden/Foles than reach Ponder style

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How did I miss this thread?

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You were too busy in all of the Colt bashing threads?

Missouri and A&M play saturday at noon on FX. USC and Stanford at 8. So get a pretty good look at the QBs tommorow.

Foles looks just like DA imho.

Weeden combination of age and system really kills his stock. 29 year old rookie QB reminds me of the movie unnecessary roughness.

I guess this is the defacto 2012 draft thread... almost seems like we should have a draft section of the forum year-round.

Anyway, I'm not an expert by any means, but a few weeks ago I officially (in my mind) gave up on Colt and got interested in the QBs coming out.

What's everyone's opinions on Robert Griffin QB Baylor? Upon first glace, he looks to have a lot going for him. A high TD-INT ratio (22-2) and completion % (78%) would indicate that he's pretty accurate with the football and doesn't make a lot of bad decisions. At 6-2, 220 he has good size and is being touted as a dual-threat as he can run the ball as well. Apparently, he quite smart off the field as well.

Obviously, I don't see him going in the top 10, but I definitely think we'll have an opportunity to get him if Heckert and the rest of the staff grade him high.

EDIT - updated the stat numbers for 2011 only.

before this season, I would have laughed about drafting Griffin. he was the prototypical college running QB.

but, this season, he has been more of a QB who can run. he is always looking to pass, gets his passes to the right spot and can move around to buy time (find passing lanes). and, he has yet to have a bad game. then again, he's yet to play a tough defense. the Oklahoma game could be the bell-weather game for his draft stock.

Griffin reminds me of Jeff Garcia except Griffin doesn't make my skin crawl. On the short side very good mobilityboth inside and outside the pocket but has to work to find throwing lanes. Garcia has a better arm but Griffin has better legs.

Griffin is weird to me, people are lazy and want to compare him to Vick. However it doesn't really fit.

Jacory Harris hasn't been to bad this year. He'd be an interesting project but he is very inconsistent.

This QB class in my opinion will go down as one of the very very rare, elite classes.

I am usually the guy taking pot shots at the QBs like Vince Young and Matt Leinart and lets face it there really havent been a lot of talent coming out over the last decade. They just keep stacking everything against the defense so your crappy QBs can look average and your good QBs are unstoppable.

Even last years class, that so far has looked pretty good, was a class of potential starters not a class of potential stars. Cam just lucked into having Chud coach him.

So I agree, just say no to projects at QB.

What do you think? I don't have us drafting a QB because Luck is the only one I want badly and think will be a stud. I like Landry Jones but he has some concerns

1a Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State 

1b Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa 

2 Ryan Broyles, WR/PR, Oklahoma 

3 Donnie Fletcher, CB, Boston College

4a Jay Howard, DT, Florida

4b Mitchell Schwartz, OT/G, California 

5 Tony Dye, SS, UCLA

6 Troy Woolfolk, CB, Michigan

7 Aaron Corp, QB, Richmond

If this does go down as one of the elite QB drafts as Mour says, and we pass on an elite QB, then we're idiots.

2nd round go with a linebacker instead of broyles. Reiff and Blackmon are really good, both have a real shot of top 10, Blackmon top 5.

A reason why I picked Broyles instead of a LB.

I want to see more of Gocong, DQ and Kaluka together. Also Broyles would be a monster in the slot. I feel like teams will need 3 WRs. I would love a group of Blackmon, Little, Broyles, Momass, Cribbs and Robiskie.

Not a big fan of any of the first three guys. I could buy Blackmon depending on where we pick, but meh.