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With many speculating that if the NBA were to miss this whole season, there would be a possibilty that teams could be loss. Do you think the Cavs could be one of those teams? Obviously, we have a great owner but the current product is not going to sell tickets. Could the Cavs be in jeopardy? Your thoughts?
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With many speculating that if the NBA were to miss this whole season, there would be a possibilty that teams could be loss. Do you think the Cavs could be one of those teams? Obviously, we have a great owner but the current product is not going to sell tickets. Could the Cavs be in jeopardy? Your thoughts?
No.
Dan Gilbert has the fans behind him. We might be tired of the world rebuilding, as they are constants with the Tribe and Browns, but nobody is pointing the finger at Gilbert, he got screwed by the franchise player and not even a year later had 2 of the top 4 picks in the draft, by a pretty shrewd trade before the deadline.
They also got a possible franchise point guard in the draft, plus I think Cavs fans have grown to like coach Scott.
Attendance was near the top of the league last year, and yes some of those tickets were bought in advance before the decision, but the also had tremendous single game and walk-up sales.
I just don't see how the Cavs would even be mentioned in that kind of talk. I honestly think all teams will be back.
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Admittedly, I'm not an nba fan.
However, what is the thought process behind this: may miss a season, and some teams will be lost.
Is it because the owners of a few teams don't have the money to handle a season without income? (and without most expenses I would guess). If so, what would having the season do for them?
Again, just speculating here - but if a team is so bad off financially that they can't handle not paying players and expenses without a season, does that mean that with the poor ticket sales they'd be able to handle it?
Are the fringe teams living off of t.v. contracts?
What I'm asking is, why would missing a season mean the loss of some teams?
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With many speculating that if the NBA were to miss this whole season, there would be a possibilty that teams could be loss. Do you think the Cavs could be one of those teams? Obviously, we have a great owner but the current product is not going to sell tickets. Could the Cavs be in jeopardy? Your thoughts?
No ... teams in jeopardy would be teams like Sacramento, New Orleans, the Clippers, Memphis ... teams that are struggling to pull 50% attendence and have talked about moving anyway.
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When did the Clippers struggle to get attendance and talk about moving?
The Staples Center holds 19,060 people for basketball, the Clippers have had at least averaged 14,000 people since 2000-2001. And they are in the second biggest market. And they have one of the best young players in the league.
The other teams, New Orleans, Sacramento, Memphis, I agree with and would throw in the Bobcats as the fourth.
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I agree the Clippers are in good shape as far as money is concerned. Just because they are overshadowed by the Lakers they have a strong fan base
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With many speculating that if the NBA were to miss this whole season, there would be a possibilty that teams could be loss. Do you think the Cavs could be one of those teams? Obviously, we have a great owner but the current product is not going to sell tickets. Could the Cavs be in jeopardy? Your thoughts?
No ... teams in jeopardy would be teams like Sacramento, New Orleans, the Clippers, Memphis ... teams that are struggling to pull 50% attendence and have talked about moving anyway.
I think a team like Sacramento needs to stay there or needs to be no longer. Why would you need three NBA teams in the LA area. If they move at least put it in a city that needs it.
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I say we contract the Clippers, Grizzles, and Bucks and combine them all with the Cavs... PG - Irving/Jennings SG - Gordon/Mayo SF - Gay/Casspi PF - Griffin/Thompson C - Bogut/Verajao 
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If you are playing fantasy why wouldn't you contract say the Thunder, the Magic, Knicks, Bulls etc and get the best players in the NBA?
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j/c interesting that KG (one of the highest paid players of the past 15 years) is one of the guys the finger is being pointed at for killing the momentum of negotiations (this from Woj who is definitively pro-player in most articles): Quote:
As one league official said, “We were making progress, until Garnett [expletive] everything up.”
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With many speculating that if the NBA were to miss this whole season, there would be a possibilty that teams could be loss. Do you think the Cavs could be one of those teams? Obviously, we have a great owner but the current product is not going to sell tickets. Could the Cavs be in jeopardy? Your thoughts?
No ... teams in jeopardy would be teams like Sacramento, New Orleans, the Clippers, Memphis ... teams that are struggling to pull 50% attendence and have talked about moving anyway.
I think a team like Sacramento needs to stay there or needs to be no longer. Why would you need three NBA teams in the LA area. If they move at least put it in a city that needs it.
Sacramento is in northern California, 352 miles from LA. Thats almost 150 miles more than the distance from Cleveland to Pittsburgh, 100 miles more than the distance from Cleveland to Cincy, and 9 miles more than the distance from Cleveland to Chicago. I mean, 7 football teams (Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Cincy, Detroit, Chicago, Indianapolis, Buffalo) in a 350 mile radius ... who needs em right? 
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I think he was talking about the fact that the Kings almost moved to Anaheim.
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Ah, gotcha. That makes more sense then. My bad 
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I like that the majority of basketball fans aren't taking sides, but rather pointing the finger at both and saying get it done.
I know I'm in the minority around here, but I want basketball, and it's going to suck without it.
The only positive is that it gives Kyrie Irving more time to heal his foot. I'm sure he could play if the season started on time, but if he can score a few extra months off before going through the grind of an nba season (esp those 4 in 5 nights stretches) it can maybe pay off down the line.
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i think there's plenty of us that want to see the NBA. it's just the non-NBA fans like to pipe up during a lockout and state that they don't like the NBA anyway.
also, they haven't started talking BRI yet, I think it's false hope right now.
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I love the game of basketball, but the way the game is setup right now, I hope they cancel the whole season. The owners really need to hold their ground, or small market teams like the cavs have no hope of ever of winning anything. I know I don't want to see all the stars on 10 teams, and the rest getting young guys, and washed up veterans.
If the owners don't come out on top, they need to contract quite a few teams, and just let the players have their way. Just have warm city teams, and big market franchises.
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I kinda thought they had it set up where small market teams could compete.
Now though, Lebron circumvented the system, then Carmelo did, and soon Dwight Howard and Chris Paul will.
I don't blame David Stern for what happened with us and Lebron. I think there is a lot of blame to be thrown around, but it's hard to put it on him when his system was set up for us to be able to pay him more.
Maybe they should do away with the sign and trade. If you want to leave, you lose the perk of getting that max salary. You sign for whatever it is you could sign for without the team you're bolting from getting involved.
Seriously, how hard was it for the Cavs to put together a contract for a guy that went on national television and humiliated them, all while not giving them any kind of heads up?
You know, I always hated Orlando when we were good, I couldn't stand their fairweather fans, but I honestly hope Dwight doesn't leave. He will probably be a Laker though.
I think the only way to truly stop this is to put in a hard cap and do away with the sign and trade. Good luck selling those players on that.
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I wonder if a hard cap might be the compromise to the players desire for a ridiculous 52% of revenues.
Maybe this thing washes out as a hard capped 52% of revenues, with a revision of the sign and trade rules. That would be a pretty good compromise.
If I were on the owners side, I would push for an end to guaranteed contracts. That is one thing that the NFL got right, and the NBA/MLB got completely wrong. Why pay (and be forced to play) someone who is not performing up to the level of their pay? I don't think that it is too much to expect a guy making superstar pay to perform like a superstar.
Now, one thing that I don't get is this ......
There has been a lot of talk about contracting a couple of teams. If I were the players union, I would do everything I could to keep all of the teams around so that no one loses jobs. It seems almost like a foregone conclusion that the league will contract. Those jobs will never come back. The economy sucks right now. Maybe if the players give a little now, they could save those jobs, and next time the labor agreement comes up the economy will almost certainly have to be better than it is right now.
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And I'm supposed to believe guys like James, Wade, and KEVIN GARNETT care about jobs in the NBA?
Bottom tier NBA players are getting SCREWED.
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Maybe if they cared a little more about the middle tier guys, they might have been able to add enough talent to win it all last year. 
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With many speculating that if the NBA were to miss this whole season, there would be a possibilty that teams could be loss. Do you think the Cavs could be one of those teams? Obviously, we have a great owner but the current product is not going to sell tickets. Could the Cavs be in jeopardy? Your thoughts?
No ... teams in jeopardy would be teams like Sacramento, New Orleans, the Clippers, Memphis ... teams that are struggling to pull 50% attendence and have talked about moving anyway.
The Clippers will never move. The Lakers keep the arena running and then some.
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The Clippers ain't movin. Donald Sterling is filthy rich, and like candy said, they have the Lakers to feed off of.
They do fill that building as well. I love how Bill Simmons put it.
People at the arena are either there to see whatever team is playing the Clippers, or there are divorced dads taking their kid to a game for the 3 hours every saturday they get them, lol.
My cousin who just moved out of LA said pretty much the same thing. The Clippers are there for transplants to watch their team, or for the big group of people who just can't stand the Lakers.
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the players have a choke hold on the league. How can midwest teams compete, when they can't attract free agents, unless they overpay, and it's almost impossible to hold on to young talent. All of the money is tilted towards the large markets, wherever the superstars reside. Sacramento is getting 12k fans per game, while teams like the knicks, celtics, lakers are selling out every game. Plus they get all the national tv games. Too many haves, and have-nots in the league.
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Know what? Screw them.
Yeah I pretty msch agree with that.
I hope they have a season just so I'll have a fantasy sport to play during the winter months. That's pretty much all.
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I question anyone's masculinity if they like the NBA more than the NHL. Dump the Cavs and get a hockey team in here.
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I question anyone's masculinity if they like the NBA more than the NHL. Dump the Cavs and get a hockey team in here.
I question anyone's masculinity for band-wagon jumping...I guess each their own eh joe?
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Does Baltimore have a hockey team?
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I question anyone's masculinity if they like the NBA more than the NHL. Dump the Cavs and get a hockey team in here.
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I question anyone's masculinity if they like the NBA more than the NHL. Dump the Cavs and get a hockey team in here.
Wow, you've turned into super troll!
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Why can't you like both? I love both leagues, I think both have too long a regular season, but their playoff seasons are by far the most fun in all of sports.
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Why can't you like both? I love both leagues, I think both have too long a regular season, but their playoff seasons are by far the most fun in all of sports.
it's tough. between the job, the family, and following 1 league closely, I don't have time to love both. I picked the NBA (but I did love the NHL when I was younger and had more time).
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Why can't you like both? I love both leagues, I think both have too long a regular season, but their playoff seasons are by far the most fun in all of sports.
it's tough. between the job, the family, and following 1 league closely, I don't have time to love both. I picked the NBA (but I did love the NHL when I was younger and had more time).
I don't watch every game, but with the NHL i catch a game a week and watch the highlights on NHL network.
NHL Network and NBATV are both incredible channels. They show equal amounts of highlights for all games. You get as much coverage of a T-Wolves/Bucks game as you do a Knicks/Heat game. They truly push the whole league.
With the NHL Network they show more than just one Ovechkin highlight like bspn does.
I usually flip between NHLN and NBATV before I hit the sack. I also love that NBATV televises one game a week that is purely chosen by a fan vote.
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"Instead of treating the players like partners, they're treating them like plantation workers."
-Union attorney Jeffrey Kessler
Really? This is one of the dunces the players have representing them? Keep them locked out.
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If plantation workers were guaranteed millions in wages, no matter whether they actually did their jobs as expected or not, we'd have people lining up to be plantation workers today.
Kessler is an idiot. I hope they miss the entire season. That's just hundreds of thousands, or millions, that players will never recover.
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I hope they miss the entire season.
not picking particularly on you but I see this alot. anyone who truly loves watching the NBA cannot wish to miss the entire season. i don't think they can even fix the system entirely and i definitely don't think missing the season will get them any closer to doing it.
I hate the empty rhetoric and the senseless bickering that is going on with all this nonsense as well, but I am still hopeful that they figure out they are losing more money than they are gaining (cannot believe this is not being brought up more) and they come to some sort of agreement by Thanksgiving (which would mean the season starts in early January).
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I was of the belief that they'd get this thing fixed so that bball would be back for the marquee Christmas day games (probably the biggest moneymaker of the regular season)
Now? I don't know when we will see games again. I don't even know if next November is viable.
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that's the other thing, once they cancel the season, the pressure is off to get a deal done until next september.
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