DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk K-9 Consensus How many QB's in the league would you give up a 1st & 2nd round pick for?

How many QB's in the league would you give up a 1st & 2nd round pick for? multiple choice
	Tom Brady
	Ben Roethlisberger
	Josh Freeman
	Peyton Manning
	Phil Rivers
	Sam Bradford
	Eli Manning
	Mike Vick
	Jay Cutler
	Matt Stafford
	Aaron Rodgers
	Matt Ryan
	Cam Newton
	Drew Brees
Votes accepted starting: 10/20/11 10:38 PM You must vote before you can view the results of this poll.

You'll need a calculator to tally up the Eli votes.

Who's giving up a picks for Brady and Brees but not Rodgers?

Why would someone want to trade for Stafford he is made of glass

Jerry D'Angelo is shocked by these results.

Why isn't the starting QB in Denver on this list?

I almost threw Carson Palmer on this list just to see the reaction.

Brady, Brees & Rodgers. Newton, Ryan & Rivers close behind. Still gotta see more from Freeman & Bradford. Couldn't take Stafford or Peyton Manning due to the injuries.

Assuming we are talking about right now, I couldn't select any QB over 30 to give up that much primarily because even with good QB play, we are still a .500 team.... and I just can't stand Ben R., I used to be a big Matt Ryan pimp but now I'm not so sure, Rivers is the QB equivalent of Marty Schottenheimer... I'm less concerned about Staffords injuries so the only 2 I picked were Rodgers, who I'm not sure why he isn't getting 100% of the vote.. and Stafford.

I could see Brady playing 5 more years if not more, and if you put him on this team I think we at least make the playoffs this year...

The only one I went for was Rogers. he's proven on the field, not a jerk off the field, young enough to be here long enough for the rest of the team to mature.

Payton Manning of course would be great, but I don't think he or Brady would be around long enough for us to catch up. Same could be said for Brees as well.

The rest..ehh..

You're trying to tell me only 1 in 5 (~20%) would give up a 1 & 2 for Aaron Rodgers? And that's the HIGHEST pct of all the QBs???

Good lord, only Browns fans. We're enamored with our precious draft picks and 3rd round scrap heap QBs I guess. *shakes head*

This just underscores how many around here undervalue the importance of having a franchise QB. Maybe because we haven't had one in so long? I dunno.

Matt Ryan getting 5 votes makes me laugh.

The dude is mediocre.

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You're trying to tell me only 1 in 5 (~20%) would give up a 1 & 2 for Aaron Rodgers? And that's the HIGHEST pct of all the QBs???

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The only thing that I can figure is that people gave up on the list before they got that far.

Personally, if the Packers would do it, I would give them 3 or 4 1st round picks for Rodgers. I bet that they wouldn't trade him for 5 or 6 1st rounders though.

I voted for Brady, Manning (if healthy), Rivers, Rodgers, and Brees.

These results are shocking me. There is not nearly enough emphasis on the QB position.

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You're trying to tell me only 1 in 5 (~20%) would give up a 1 & 2 for Aaron Rodgers? And that's the HIGHEST pct of all the QBs???

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No. The poll allows you to pick more than one. It is possible that every single person that voted picked Rodgers and some other combination of a few QBs. That's what I did. I picked Rodgers AND Stafford but you are counting those votes as if they were two different people and one of us didn't pick Rodgers. Your analysis of the results is completely off.

So calm down.

agreed. i clicked all but three

I picked more than one as well.

Is DC correct on this? I didn't realize the percentages were based on total votes and not total responders...if true that's kinda retarded and very misleading for a poll which allows multiple responses per person.

I'm not voting at all, but Matt Ryan would probably get my vote,
Can it count that I would have given those picks for Eli Manning after his, ... the year before he came out of college at Mississippi St. ( Or was it Ole Miss)?
M Ryan looked real good last year. Youth plays a factor in the decision too.

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Is DC correct on this? I didn't realize the percentages were based on total votes and not total responders...

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You dare to doubt me?

As of this post there are 168 total votes registered (not total responders, TOTAL VOTES), 31 for Rodgers, which works out to the 18% shown...

Yeah I see that now thanks DC. I wasn't so much challenging you as it was just a question in disbelief at how it works .

As it is the percentages are basically worthless....Rodgers has 33 votes, but how many people actually responded? We have no way of knowing. Just very misleading.

To me, saying 33 out of X people would be willing to give up a 1st and 2nd rounder for Rodgers would make a LOT more sense. Similarly 30 out of X would give up a 1st and 2nd for Brady etc etc.

If you read the actual posts, I count 6 people who said who they picked, all 6 included Rodgers...

The only way to get the stats you want is to include each QB as a separate question with just a yes or no selection... then you could see if anybody actually said no to Rodgers...

But considering the responses are 6 for 6, I think it's a safe bet that most included Rodgers and then a couple others.

I picked Rogers and Stafford only....and I'm having second thoughts about Stafford.

I said yes to:

Tom Brady
Josh Freeman
Phil Rivers
Matt Stafford or maybe Bradford?
Aaron Rodgers
Cam Newton
Drew Brees

Freeman might have been a bad choice, but he looked amazing last year. And Cam.....goodness, I'd really enjoy having him under center making plays for us.

*Dynamic, instoppable QBs that look like they'll be first ballot HOF QBs until they fizzle out once the league figures out how to stop them.

That will be the quest for Cam... as the NFL figures him out and adjusts will he be able to counter-adjust.

This is where he actually needs to LEARN to PLAY QUARTERBACK...

Mike Vick never did, he just let his talents get him to a certain point...

If Newton can actually learn to be an above average QB, his talents will push him above that...

Picks are conservative for me, like Brady, Brees, and Freeman, Newton as well. What can you do to help me win now? But what a weird idea. Cin. cleaned up, and the Raiders got desperate. Could have Kitna for that.

Daman,

I should have put a j/c at the top of my first post, I guess, as I wasn't responding to you at all . My response was born out of misunderstanding how the poll worked i.e. making the percentages out of total votes instead of total voters. It makes them look artificially low if/when anyone votes for more than 1 QB (which most have).

Sorry about any confusion.

Ahh,, OK,, No Problem

Almost all of them except Bradford, Eli Manning, Vick and Cutler.

Franchise QB > first round draft picks.

I picked Cutler, Stafford, Rodgers, and Newton.

The others are too old or not very good or I hate them (Roethlisberger and Rivers.)

I think Cutler would do pretty well behind an NFL line. I was a hater when he was in the draft, but he´s got a monster arm and is a smart and tough guy.

I think what people might be missing , is that even if you get your hands on a bad quarterback, who you find out is bad, you might still be able to get high value for him from another team who has yet to find out he is bad.

Therefore, going after the quarterback is the way to go, and all of the opinions that you have to build the team first and install the quarterback as the final piece of a team with great everything else are wrong.

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and all of the opinions that you have to build the team first and install the quarterback as the final piece of a team with great everything else are wrong.

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Independent of where the Browns are now, I don't think the QB has to be the last piece simply because the learning curve of a QB says it's going to take about 3 years before they really hit a stride and a level of consistency any way..... I just don't think the QB should be the first piece or even an early piece

Drafting a QB and starting him the 2nd game in the history of an Expansion team: Bad Idea

Drafting a QB midway through a Rebuild, Letting him sit a year, then starting him: Good idea

Drafting a QB and letting him sit for 4 years, then starting him a few years after reaching a Conferance title game: A Luxury

Why not?

Peyton Manning was an early piece in Indy. He had Marvin Harrison when he arrived ..... but Harrison wasn't yet the Harrison he would become when teamed with Manning. Faulk arrived with Manning.

The Colts went 3-13 the year before Manning .... 3-13 in Manning's 1st year .... and 13-3 in his 2nd.

The Lions went after Stafford as the centerpiece of their offense, then built other parts of their team.

The Bengals were expected to suck this year, but drafted Andy Dalton and are sitting at 5-2.

The Cardinals show how important that franchise QB is ..... looking at before and after Warner. They have had 3 seasons where they didn't have a losing record, and all 3 were with Warner. (8-8, 9-7, 10-6)

The Texans were a 2-7 win team before Shaub arrived. While not yet a contender, they have won 8 games 3 times with him at the helm, and 9 games once. This is with lousy defenses to boot.

The Packers have one of those more complete teams ..... but they lost guys left, right, top, bottom, and middle last year. Their one constant? The QB. They won a Super Bowl.

Look at the Eagles when McNabb arrived.

Look at the turnaround in Buffalo when Kelly arrived.

Look at the 49'ers under Montana and Young.

Hell, a team we all know and hate drafted a guy named Elway and went from 2-7 to 9-7 and broke a 3 year playoff drought. (and eventually, our hearts)

QBs make a huge difference .... even turning modestly talented teams into contenders just by adding them to the mix.

Look at the Steelers, with their mix of guys at the position .... Maddox, Stewart, Tomczak ......

Then they plugged Roethlisberger in and they have had 1 8-8 season ..... 5 playoff seasons .... 3 Super Bowl appearances, and 2 Super Bowl wins.

Yeah, the QB is not only important ..... not only vitally important ..... but I would say that he is the single most important factor in winning a championship, or not.

Look at the teams that have won Super Bowls:

Green Bay - Rodgers
Saints - Brees
Steelers - Roethlisberger
Giants - E. Manning
Colts - P. Manning
Steelers - Roethlisberger
Patriots - Brady

I would argue that Rodgers, Brady, Roethlisberger, Brees and Peyton manning are 5 of the top QBs in the league ..... and possibly THE top 5 QBs in the league.

We need to find one for our own ... and we need to keep trying until we do find him.

But Brady was drafted in the 6th round!

This proves the QB position is meaningless!

And Manning only had Faulk for the 98 season, he was traded to STL and they drafted James in 99.