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OK,, here is one of those things that make me know for sure that the Federal and State govenments simply don't have a clue.
Every couple of years, we get a form from each state in which we either do or have done business.
It's the exact same form from each state. The only difference is, they are sent out by each state but all must be completed by us and returned to a central location at the US Department of Labor.
(it's a business location idenificaton form by the way)
Each form asked the same questions, each form has the exact same wording
Yet yesterday, we got 11 of them to complete and send in with 11 different self-addressed postage paid, envelopes all addressed to the same exact place with no distinquising marks on the outside of the envelope. (we probably have more in our PO Box today)
The name of the form is:
Industry Verification Form, BLS 3023-NVS
Form Approved, O.M.B No. 1220-0032
What trips me out is that my partner (who handles all this knda stuff) will have to complete this form for 27 different states. Some of which we no longer do business in.
He has to send it out to the same location and it's all paid for by the Government of either the states or Federal.
Now if you think about it, how many companies are there out there that do business in multi states. How much money does it cost to print these forms, envelopes and pay for postage.. Now you gotta multiply that by the number of states..
Then look at it annually. It's Oodles of dollars that could probably be cut way way down. To what, I don't know, but if it was ONE form for all, sent into ONE location where the business would have to pay for postage.. you do that math.
None of that takes into consideration the burden it places on small and large business alike to research the correct answers and the fill out the forms.
And for what purpose? Statisical analysis?
Probably wouldn't save more than a couple of million dollars but hey, couple million here, couple million there,, pretty soon, you are talking some real money here..
This is waste that nobody talks about because it's "too small". Well, get a lot of "too small' expenses together and before you know it,,, it's a mighty big hole.
Just sayin
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Best rant I read today. Lots of little bits become bigger and bigger. This sounds like lunacy. I am not only for cutting junk like this, but I am reminded of what the financial advisor told me that I consider wise: It's not enough to save; it is not a goal as an end unto itself. You must do something decisive with the savings to make a difference. Save as an investment, pay off cards, pay down debt, etc. Cutting to cut is pointless in itself. I suggest dedicating some money be applied directly to our debts without the Congress being allowed to touch it. Just me, but I surely hope the Damanshot feels better after venting. Crazy rant skills! 
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Seems to me that you could have one form with check boxes where you check off all the states where you do business.... as for postage, why can't you file it electronically? Somewhere at the other end is a person (or a bunch of people) who has to take this form and input the information into a database, if they had an electronic form, all of that could be done by fewer people... of course I'm now contributing to unemployment and the demise of the Postal Service...  And you are right, the savings for this would probably be negligable in the grand scheme of things but this problem exists in all phases of government... it's not a situational problem, it's a systemic problem and if it was fixed systemically, the savings would be considerable.
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Not only the cost to the government(s) but the cost to the businesses that lose the productivity of the poor guy/gal who has to fill out that useless form.
How many people simply check whatever box they see first on those forms and send it in with totally false or incorrect info? Just fill in something and get it done NOW.
I just made a new post that should probably get moved here...same general issue of wasted money...another issue that politicians would poo-poo as not significant to the overall government spending budgets.
Yet the politicians focus is on raising more tax "revenue" when the real - and immediate - savings is right under their noses.
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Totally and utterly amazing...if it weren't expected. We are led by blithering idiots.
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While the savings is negligible in terms of US blown money, it could be a couple of million to a food bank.
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Yup, that's kinda my point.
and you brought up a side to this I hadn't given a moments thought too.. Someone on the goverment payroll is physically sending this out, and someone else is receiving it back.. (actually several somebodys)
Those are jobs that could go away and we wouldn't feel a thing. And I didn't even mention the cost of Benefits for those people or the costs of Vacations and Holiday pay and retirement etc etc....
Ya know, the savings still aren't much in the grand scheme of things, but I've always been taught that every little bit helps. If the US and State Governments took that thinking and expanded on it, soon, we'd find ourselves on the right side of the debt issue as a nation.
All politicians want to do is tell us about saving billions and that's fine. But what I've noticed is that we save a billion on this and drop 10 billion on that and the net is 9 billion debt. But they ONLY talk about the 1 billion in savings.
And believe me, I'm not snarking at Obama or any one party or person in particular.. Every damn one of them do it to one degree or another.
Bard is also right in his approach I think.
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Totally and utterly amazing...if it weren't expected. We are led by blithering idiots.
The reason for this and many of our other problems is that we keep reelecting these "blithering idiots." Vote the bums out!!!
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You know ..... I bet a lot of other businesses and industries feel the same way about certain useless regulations too. In this case though, I'm sure that the government has a good reason for proceeding as they do. 
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And believe me, I'm not snarking at Obama or any one party or person in particular.. Every damn one of them do it to one degree or another.
Government inefficiency isn't a D or R thing, it's a systemic problem.. I know, I used to work there.
I've told my stories before of managing federal government construction projects but the one incident that I will always remember was near the end of a DoJ renovation project. On the table was a change order for about $11,000 (the project was $4.5 million)... the change order was for adding a projection screen in each of the 3 conference rooms. The nice powered projection screens that recess into the ceiling.
At the table were 3 people from the construction company, the lessor who owned the building, his attorney, me, 3 people from GSA, 2 people from the DoJ facilities group and 1 or 2 people from each of the DoJ divisions, anti-trust, environmental and one other than I can't remember... we discussed this issue for close to 2 hours.... 15 or 16 people at a cost of probably $2,000/hour and that doesn't include the cost of everybody that prepared for the meeting, etc... in the end the government settled to pay the change order for $9,800... and they considered it a win for them because they had negotiated them down. 
That is when I realized that one of the big differences between government and business is that government doesn't consider "opportunity cost" when they calculate cost or savings.. they never think about the TIME and SALARY it takes to save a few bucks and in the end, they are usually actually LOSING money, even though on paper, it looks like they saved money. In business if your time isn't actively contributing to making money (or saving money) and you aren't using that time efficiently, then you aren't any value to the employer... the government doesn't think like that.
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And believe me, I'm not snarking at Obama or any one party or person in particular.. Every damn one of them do it to one degree or another.
Government inefficiency isn't a D or R thing, it's a systemic problem.. I know, I used to work there.
I've told my stories before of managing federal government construction projects but the one incident that I will always remember was near the end of a DoJ renovation project. On the table was a change order for about $11,000 (the project was $4.5 million)... the change order was for adding a projection screen in each of the 3 conference rooms. The nice powered projection screens that recess into the ceiling.
At the table were 3 people from the construction company, the lessor who owned the building, his attorney, me, 3 people from GSA, 2 people from the DoJ facilities group and 1 or 2 people from each of the DoJ divisions, anti-trust, environmental and one other than I can't remember... we discussed this issue for close to 2 hours.... 15 or 16 people at a cost of probably $2,000/hour and that doesn't include the cost of everybody that prepared for the meeting, etc... in the end the government settled to pay the change order for $9,800... and they considered it a win for them because they had negotiated them down.
That is when I realized that one of the big differences between government and business is that government doesn't consider "opportunity cost" when they calculate cost or savings.. they never think about the TIME and SALARY it takes to save a few bucks and in the end, they are usually actually LOSING money, even though on paper, it looks like they saved money. In business if your time isn't actively contributing to making money (or saving money) and you aren't using that time efficiently, then you aren't any value to the employer... the government doesn't think like that.
However, when talking about gov't. employees, you have to remember: they get paid no matter what.
So, for them, having a 2 hour meeting, with all the prep time associated with it - means nothing. But, they got to go back and say "we saved $1200."
They don't give a rip about what they cost over and above the $1200 - to you, the construction company, etc.
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Yup, it fits in quite nicely into my thread 
Gees, is this dumb or what.
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as for postage, why can't you file it electronically
Sorry, I forgot to respond to this part of your post.. I certainly don't know for sure why we can't file it electronically. But my guess is, if they sent it to us using the USPS and want a response sent USPS, then they are probably not wanting to take the business away from the USPS. Not sure if that's the reasoning, but it could be.
Each time I hire someone in Ohio I have to go on a website and let them know I hired someone. I have to give them a ton of info about the new employee.
Every employer in the state is supposed to do it, but I'm not sure they all do. In fact, I'm not sure every employer in the state even knows about it.
When I forget to do it, Nothing happens. They don't call and yell at me, they don't penalize me or the company. They simply don't do anything if we decide not to comply.
Again, if you are going to give me things I have to do because it's important and not just "make work" then shouldn't there be a penalty if I don't do it?
Heres the thing, once the person is on payroll for a while (the longest period is 13 weeks) I have to report it to the state anyway. So basically, I'm reporting it twice.. Wastes my time. (the 13 week timeline is because I have to report employee earnings quarterly anyway for tax purposes so if someone starts work on the last day of the quarter, the state will know it within the time it takes my company to do it's filings)
Oh, by the way, it's done over a web based portal for Ohio. It's rather cumbersome but it does work. Like a lotta sites that were developed by website developers, they think it's easy to use because they developed it, but for a person that might only use it 1 or two times a month, it's like I said, cumbersome.
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How does this happen?
Simply put - the idiots running this country don't have a clue about what's going on in this country. Even simpler: Gov't is too big, and this is proof.
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We need to stop all foreign aid.
We simply can't afford it anymore. Most of the people we give it to treat us like crap anyway. If and when we get things in order, we can give aid to those who would appreciate it.
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I've said it before....."All politicians should be taken out and cracked in the head with a 2x4".....and repeat if necessary.
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sooo, how exactly does one go about voting no confidence in the next election?
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I don't agree with that, but I do agree we need to start looking more closely and cutting it back by about 50%.
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Whatever it is, it's a short drive
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This will fit well here... MAPLE Act would sting syrup fakes October 26th, 2011 12:01 AM ET Syrup makers falsely passing off products as authentic maple syrup might soon find themselves in a very sticky situation. Senators Patrick Leahy from Vermont and Susan Collins from Maine introduced legislation last week that would make the fraudulent sale of maple syrup a felony offense, the senators said in a statement. “I have been alarmed by the growing number of individuals and businesses claiming to sell Vermont maple syrup when they are in fact selling an inferior product that is not maple syrup at all,” Leahy said. The bill is called the Maple Agriculture Protection and Law Enforcement or MAPLE Act and if passed, would increase the punishment for selling imitation maple syrup to a five year maximum penalty. Currently, the sale of fraudulent maple syrup is only a misdemeanor, punishable by up to a year in prison. Leahy said that simply isn’t enough to protect consumers and producers of authentic maple syrup. “We need to make sure that those who intentionally deceive consumers get a trip to jail, not a slap on the wrist,” Leahy said. Leahy said the bill will increase consumer confidence and protect the economic livelihood of New Englanders. “Fake labeling not only hurts this growing agricultural industry, but also defrauds consumers who have the right to know exactly what they are purchasing,” Collins said. The MAPLE Act is co-sponsored by Senator Olympia Snowe from Maine and New York Senators Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand. web page Our country is going to hell in a handbasket but at least when we get there.... we will have good syrup.
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Actually, I think the Vermont and Maine (and even Ohio) people have a point about fraudulent sales.......However....a felony???? prison terms??? Really??? How a bout a fine....say 120% of the gross fraudulent sales. That's money into the system and it hits people where it REALLY hurts...in the wallett and therefore accomplishies the same thing.....Everyone should be happy....
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It's good to know that SOMEBODY is on top of this heinous rip-off! We don't need to jail sryup counterfeiters. Ruining them financially will suffice, I think. Jail time should be reserved for criminals who are actually dangerous.
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Yep, good thing they have their priorities straight.
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Actually, I think the Vermont and Maine (and even Ohio) people have a point about fraudulent sales.......
Don't we already have laws regarding fraudulent advertising and misrepresentation of a product?
Can we put fraudulent lawmakers who claim to be acting in our best interest but aren't in prison for 5 years? Now that is a law I could get behind.
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Not that legislation needs developed for this, but certainly, if they are calling it syrup and it isn't, that's pretty much against the law anyway right?
So why do they need politicians in the mix.. call the govenment agency responsible for policing truth in advertising....
So yeah, this is another example of a waste of time...
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However if the fake syrup was being made by illegal immigrants, then the government would subsidize it and place heavy taxes on real syrup because Michelle Obama says it's bad for you. 
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However if the fake syrup was being made by illegal immigrants, then the government would subsidize it and place heavy taxes on real syrup because Michelle Obama says it's bad for you.
And demand that we pay their heathcare ... and provide transportation home and back when they want to visit their relatives. "crazy:
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Everytime they make a new law, they create a whole new class of criminals.
" Have you ever been convicted of a felony? " If so explain.
They want to make the authenticity of Maple Syrup a felony. Just who determines the authenticity? Vermont, and Maine? They'd be the most biased, because they are known for it, and would most want to monopolize it.
At what point will someone stop the power grab of this goverment?
Today it may be Maple syrup. Tomorrow it could be anything.
How you walk your dog, ( walking it wrongly would be a felony)
What you feed your children.
When your children start school, or how many hours a week they must attend.
Whether you walk on the correct side of the yellow line as you walk down the street? ( step over this line, you are a felon. ) Maybe only in prisons, for now.
What clothes you wear
Whether you wear a scarlet letter, or identification papers or tags, tattoo's to identify you, or the dreaded mark of the beast under your skin.
At what point will someone stop the power grab of this goverment?
What's next? no sugary soda's , no alcohol? NO BATH SALTs because some teenagers use them to get high? What's next, no Duct tape, it contains chemicals,
This is not an overreaction, because, Maple syrup, and felony, are in the same paragraph. Maple syrup, and felony.
This is business monopoly using goverment to outlaw competition, on display. No, No, it is just Monopolizing the Language, to say only WE!!! can use the words real ( insert state name ) maple syrup.
The goverment has no business regulating this stuff. Unfortunatly they have to, because we don't want snake oil salesmen telling us this cures acne, cancer and takes stains out of your carpet, anymore.
But guess what? It's not a felony. Vote NO!
Of Course they are democrats. Democrats want to put everybody in jail. Right? Jail or worse.
Everytime they make a new law, they create a whole new class of criminals. When was the last time a Democrat politician did something good for this country?
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Chuck Schumer is a democrat.
The others, I don't know. It sure seems like democrat thinking though. Don't enforce the laws you have, make a new law and create a whole new class of criminals.
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However if the fake syrup was being made by illegal immigrants, then the government would subsidize it and place heavy taxes on real syrup because Michelle Obama says it's bad for you.
the very thought of that just ticks me off to no end. There are so many stories like this out there. Been going on for decades. Waste and more waste.
this isn't a party thing, it's strickly a lack of control thing. If the federal govenment suddenly switched from being run by Politicians and was instead run as a business managed by strong execs, the first think they'd do is order an audit and the things they'd find would shake us to our core. I'm absolutly positive of it.
Sometimes I think that if all the bull were cut out of the budget, it would just about balance out.,
I have little doubt that if you cut out the junk, we'd be able to help those REALLY in need in this country instead of those that take and take and actually make a living by living off of the rest of us.
At the same time, my guess is we'd be able to strengthen our armed forces, take better care of our veterans, rebuild our infrastructure (bridges, roads etc.)
And we could probably do it while either leaving taxes as they are.
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I got this via email today from a friend of mine. It's obviously not entirely accurate and it's not meant to be "political statement' from me as such. But then again, it's not entirely inaccurate either. It is old... Just take it with a grain of salt and good humor and you'll understand Quote:
Sometime this year, we taxpayers will again receive another 'Economic Stimulus' payment.
This is indeed a very exciting program, and I'll explain it by using a Q & A format:
Q.. What is an 'Economic Stimulus' payment ?
A. It is money that the federal government will send to taxpayers.
Q.. Where will the government get this money ?
A. From taxpayers.
Q. So the government is giving me back my own money ?
A. Only a smidgen of it.
Q. What is the purpose of this payment ?
A.. The plan is for you to use the money to purchase a high-definition TV set, thus stimulating the economy.
Q. But isn't that stimulating the economy of China ?
A. Shut up.
Below is some helpful advice on how to best help the U.S. economy by spending your stimulus check wisely:
* If you spend the stimulus money at Wal-Mart, the money will go to China or Sri Lanka .
* If you spend it on gasoline, your money will go to the Arabs..
* If you purchase a computer, it will go to India , Taiwan or China .
* If you purchase fruit and vegetables, it will go to Mexico , Honduras and Guatemala ....
* If you buy an efficient car, it will go to Japan or Korea .
* If you purchase useless stuff, it will go to Taiwan .
* If you pay your credit cards off, or buy stock, it will go to management bonuses and they will hide it offshore.
Instead, keep the money in America by:
1) Spending it at yard sales, or
2) Going to ball games, or
3) Spending it on prostitutes, or
4) Beer or
5) Tattoos.
(These are the only American businesses still operating in the U.S. )
Conclusion:
Go to a ball game with a tattooed prostitute that you met at a yard sale and drink beer all day !
No need to thank me, I'm just glad I could be of help
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
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