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I CANNOT believe people are okay with him leaving the team.
If the reports about how he is acting are true I am totally okay with him leaving. If the reports about him acting even worse than what is publicly known are true I want him gone.
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Right. They realize he is important. But he's not healthy Peyton Manning important. Or anything close. We can find someone equally as good Hillis and then he can be important too.
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Alex Mack and Fujita are both tight with Michael Silver. I read his columns as much as they are posted on Yahoo! and the guy is enamored with Cal and the alumns from there. I guarantee you Mack or Fujita is the rat that alerted him to the "story". Funny how two different media outlets were reporting two completely different takes on the situation. As I said in my previous post, it's the stuff like the unattributed quotes and out of school comments such as the plane story that get my goat. @Tubby, if you dislike the guy so much, get him out of your sig, then! You look hypocritical bashing him all the time with him featured so prominently in your sig. 
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I CANNOT believe people are okay with him leaving the team. Where were you last season? Have you not seen how he dished out the punishment that our team has been facing since we've been back??? Heck, even his own teammates have spoken about how important he is.
In the last 7 games he's played, he's carried the balls 92 times for 318 yards (3.4 average) and 2 TD's.
He's had 5 100 yard rushing games with us, but in those games fumbled four times.
He's had five games where he failed to reach a 3.0 average with at least 10 carries.
I would consider a good game from a back to be 60+ yards at a 4.0 clip. Using that standard, Hillis has had seven good games. In those games, he's fumbled six times.
Would I love to keep the guy? You bet.
I also think Shurmur is an idiot who has hindered his production.
But I don't think it's the end of the world if he leaves, especially considering he's running himself out of town.
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, especially considering he's running himself out of town.
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My feelings are so up in the air as far as Hillis is concerned. His interviews and attitude last year painted a picture of a god fearing common man with great work ethic and a desire to be the best he could.
This year his interviews seem different. I have a feeling he is the same guy, but with him changing agents, and the stupid mistakes he has made in the press, I get a feeling he is a victim of his own popularity. I honestly believe he is the guy I saw last year. I don't think he is comfortable in the spotlight. I also believe that he is struggling at dealing with agents and fame. I take him as a simple guy, not simple as in stupid, but just a guy who looks at things in a simpler light. Big business is tough for many people, and I believe that it is getting to Hillis.
The injuries have just compounded everthing else. I also believe that the injuries are what stalled the contract negotiations more than him wanting a huge payday. If I was in Heckert's position, I would be handling it the same way. I think they wanted to sign him quickly, but when the injuries arose, and Hardesty healed, they had to look at the long term situation.
I think the media is in the process of ruining a good career, and Hillis not knowing how to deal with agents and fame is helping them.
I want Hillis on this team, and think it would be a HUGE mistake to get rid of him. I believe that if they do let him heal properly, he will be the same guy he was last year, as I feel that that is who he is. I look for him to return with a vengeance, and I think many bashing him now will look foolish.
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you have my vote Clem..to a point...  ....vote in a new candidate... expect him to make changes... But... do they make them as promised...and if they do...how long does it take for the change to make an affect....Are they given the time to let the changes happen ?
Or do they fail and get voted out of office next term ? Guess we will have to wait till next seasons polls....
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I think all the things you think except that I'm not sure being famous is bothering him so much as being infamous. Sure he changed agents too many times and no one knows the reasons behind that. Speculations abound regarding that and though they could be right it's also just as likely they're not.
The illness and then injury sure didn't help him. I don't know the extent of discomfort he suffered with the strep throat but when I had it it hurt to breathe deeply. Realizing the effect hard running has on breathing I couldn't imagine playing if it hurt as much as mine did.
But at that point his dedication and commitment came in doubt, mostly I believe because of the way the media portrayed it and made a distraction out of it, and once he was doubted things went downhill and I saw him become uncomfortable in interviews.
Then he had a bona fide hamstring injury and the media created a fire and then poured fuel on it so that many doubted his injury even to the extent that it seemed some in the locker room wondered if he was committed more to his contract than the team.
Everyone plays hurt; no one should be expected to play injured. But I feel his hand was forced to prove he could gut it out.
So he practices, obviously too soon, and re-injures the hamstring bad enough to get an MRI and it proved the injury. It really wasn't until that MRI that the media quit pouring doubt on him. Now he's out for an extended time whereas had he waited until he was further healed he might be playing this week.
So here he is and everyone now believes that he really was injured. Great. Meanwhile I can't blame him for being in a bad mood. Not because of all the things that were said about him. I'm sure he can let that roll off his back now. But rather because he can't play and help his team nor his contract negotiations.
Who would not be down in that situation.
When I was 30 years old I joined a fumble ball team playing 3rd base which I hadn't played since hot stove. I was tearing it up. It made me feel great to be a vital part of a team again. Then I tore a ligament by rolling over my ankle when sliding into home plate at a practice. For weeks I moped around and was genuinely disgusted with everything and in a foul mood to boot. It took some good teammates to talk me out of it.
Like you, I think Hillis really is that God fearing, aw shucks kind of guy. He's a throwback animal as a running back and I'd surely like to have him at his 100% self on the team right now. A series of unfortunate events has put a damper on his season and the team as well.
I just hope he recovers quickly and when he does I believe we'll have last year's Hillis back. If they let him near 100% before returning the tables might turn and instead of not having him at the end of our season facing the Rats and Steelers we may have a healthy, refreshed Hillis and maybe he can help us not be embarrassed as we close out the season.
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As always that was a great post Dd....the only thing that concerns me is the direction on how the future outlook on this team is going...
Not knowing what we see on the field...I often wonder what goes on beyond the doors.. As thou when the trade for Quinn with Hillis.. Did the Bronco's know more about Hillis then we originally knew ?
Might be an out reach....Was he stable then ?
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I'd all be for a Hillis return...
If I had any faith that Shurmur knew how to use him at all...
I question if that's on Hillis' mind aswell...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I think the media is in the process of ruining a good career, and Hillis not knowing how to deal with agents and fame is helping them.
I want Hillis on this team, and think it would be a HUGE mistake to get rid of him. I believe that if they do let him heal properly, he will be the same guy he was last year, as I feel that that is who he is. I look for him to return with a vengeance, and I think many bashing him now will look foolish.
Well-written... and evidence of a mind that is willing to look beneath the surface "sensationalist" storyline, and think for himself beyond the headlines. It's entirely possible that much- if not most- of this story id actually a "non-story," cooked up by our local media.... for no other reason than to garner some extra-regional (or even national) readership. Let's face it- outside of names like Holmgren, Cribbs and maybe Joe Thomas, what other Browns fans BESIDES Hillis are going to draw attention? Journalists need to "publish or perish" like anyone else.
Nice take, Dawg.
Deisle: Hey.... it's an election year! All kinds of wild things are gonna happen. But one thing's for sure.... at least each POTUS gets 4 full years to make a mark. If a ship needs to be righted, it might take more than one term. If it's all steam ahead, it could be a smooth, 8-year ride. In the Bowns' history, we've had a series of "one & done" admins... and we see where that has led.....
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I'm glad you dropped this post on us tonight.... it gives some balance to lots of the negativeity that has permeated these boards, of late. As fans, we don't ever know all the backstory to the newsnuggets that we snap up... but this post of yours supposes many things that seem to make sense. As "end-use consumers," we almost never have all the facts... and it's always best to assume the least incredible/incendiary POV.... until facts tell us otherwise.
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There have been many 'Rizzorants' on this board for many years.... Gawd knows this team has earned them, and I'd never try to keep someone from venting his spleen after a tough loss ( or tough season)... but I implore you to read these posts I've quoted before throwing one of the rare recent Browns "bright spots" under the wheels of the Greyhound.
In my book, Peyton Hillis has been nothing short of the kind of guy we Browns fans have always embraced. He's worked his arse off for the team which gave him a chance, played a full 1/2 to 1/3 of a season hurt, did everything that was asked of him, embraced a new role on a team with new leadership..... and pushed his recovery to the playing field to a point that he re-injured himself in the process.
In my book, that spells: "desire."
In my book, that spells: "Cleveland Browns Football Player."
Since the 1940's, HE is the kind of player this team was always know for. Kid's an Olde-Tyme throwback- in an era of creampuffs and primadonnas. Hire the lunchpail guys.... then pay them. You'll be glad you did.
And truth be told.... I don't think something as superficial as a video game cover photo is enough to subsantially change the core of the person he's been since he was 10 or 12 years old. Lest we (too quickly) forget: this dude was still dragging pickup trucks (set in neutral) up the street of his hometown during the offseason.... and that was AFTER he made the Madden cover.
You "rush to judgement Browns Fans" make me cringe. What TF's wrong with waiting for the full story to come out? Is another 3 months too long to wait?
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shurmur used SJAX just fine. he had over 330 carries + 40+ receptions
i think shurmur's usage of hillis has been overblown (he's barely even had a chance TO use him this year).
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As always that was a great post Dd....the only thing that concerns me is the direction on how the future outlook on this team is going...
Not knowing what we see on the field...I often wonder what goes on beyond the doors.. As thou when the trade for Quinn with Hillis.. Did the Bronco's know more about Hillis then we originally knew ?
Might be an out reach....Was he stable then ?
I can't speak for ddub, but I did want to address this one, Deisle...
At the time of the trade, it was obvious that the Donks weren't really interesed in using Hillis according to his strengths. Let's face it- he was a late-round pick-up who played behind not one, but TWO earlier-round, high-profile players during his college years.
It would take a deep-drilling draft guru (on ANY) team to believe that Hillis was anything more than what the Donks' scouting staff saw in him when he got his job. Truth be told, he could just as easily entered the ranks as an UDFA at the end of that draft.
I think the Donks had a plan, and none of it involved Hillis' services. I believe that they saw him as PT / >'trade-fodder' and when the Quinn trade dropped into their laps, they didn't hesitate to "throw in a complimentary ham sandwich" to seal the deal.
Which brings me to a point I love to make about the NFL draft scenario... it's still a wide-open game, despite the Mel Kyper-type gurus, endless stats, and microscopic scrutiny given to the college ranks.....
...sometimes, Real Football Guys just fall through the cracks. Whodathunk that someone like Josh Cribbs could have not only made a pro football team (as an undrafted free agent), but set records, as well? A MAC QB makes it big as a ST's gunner/returner... for the only team that gave him a ghost of a chance?
To answer your question.... I think he was stable... but in many ways, unspectacular. He brought his lunchpail to work, did what was asked, and stepped it up when given the chance. We had a few 'Donksboard links' after "Hammy" came here that showed the outrage Denver fans were feeling when the Brady Quinn trade went down. Apparently there were more than just a few who believed that the Donks dumped Hillis well before his value could have been measured.
Does any of this speak to his mindset? Of course not. But- a quick study of his pre-pro assessments gave no indication of any "attitude disorders." If anything, they talked glowingly about his work ethic and desire, even as they downplayed his physical/talent attributes.
For my own part, I'll continue to go with what I saw from him as a Browns player, until he gives me reason to see otherwise.
Like a small handful of posters, I want to see what Hillis might do during the 2nd half of the 2011 campaign, before I weigh in with my assessment of his drive/excution/abilities.
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shurmur used SJAX just fine. he had over 330 carries + 40+ receptions
i think shurmur's usage of hillis has been overblown (he's barely even had a chance TO use him this year).
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Exactly what I was going to say.
Shurmur's had Hillis for what?....one game where there wasn't something affecting his ability to play?
Hillis's only real problem with the Browns now is that either he or his agent has over-estimated his worth by roughly twofold.
He'll probably get a chance to play again in a few weeks and I hope he signs with us. But honestly, if he doesn't I don't think he'll be that hard to replace. It would just be a shame if we have to use a draft pick to do it when that pick could be used to improve one of several other positions on the team.
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I'd all be for a Hillis return...
If I had any faith that Shurmur knew how to use him at all...
I question if that's on Hillis' mind aswell...
Well that right there is the thing. we don't know he doesn't either. heck,he's hardly played this year...
But I can't help but feel that a healthy hillis would have made a big difference..
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If the reports about how he is acting are true I am totally okay with him leaving. If the reports about him acting even worse than what is publicly known are true I want him gone.
Truly UNREAL. Okay go ahead and be satisfied with a crappy team. Hey, as long as they all are nice guys, it's okay to continually suck!
Lastly, the Cleveland media sucks! They are painting such a bad picture of the guy. The teamates who were quoted (with names) said good things about him. They realize how important he is.... unlike some of our inhouse experts.
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If the reports about how he is acting are true I am totally okay with him leaving. If the reports about him acting even worse than what is publicly known are true I want him gone.
Truly UNREAL. Okay go ahead and be satisfied with a crappy team. Hey, as long as they all are nice guys, it's okay to continually suck!
It has nothing to do with being "satisified with a crappy team"
If and I say again IF, Hillis is actually causing a problem in the locker room, then you can't really keep him around...
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If and I say again IF, Hillis is actually causing a problem in the locker room, then you can't really keep him around...
IF he is a cancer, then it didn't happen overnight. He was the freakin hero of the city last year!
The leadership team MUST fix this. They must work with him and resolve the problem. If not then can you imagine the dangerous precedent it could set?? Anytime we get a really good player who wishes to leave the Browns for any reason (such as not liking the city of Cleveland, or the cold weather, or moronic media, or the impatient fan base, or the abundance of in-house experts we have living in our city) all he has to do is cause some problems, and boom he gets what he wishes!
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Remember Rueben Droughns? I do, have his jersey in my closet, got it because he was the first 1000 yard rusher for thje Browns in forever...
Currently there is no difference in the Careers of Droughns and Hillis...
We got them from the Donks. Where they played FB until they had to spot start at RB and had success.
They came here and had a 1000 yard season.
They had agent issues (although at different times)
And then they had injury/production issues after that...
So who on the Giants this year is the equivalent of Tim Carter...?
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I have heard the Reuben Droughns comparisons too from non-Browns fans.. only difference really is TD's.. lol.. Droughns couldn't score a TD for jack.. I rmemeber Jason Wright getting the first TD run of the season ahead of him even though Droughns got all the snaps.
but anyway... I'm almost done with all the RB's we have..
Lets go with what u say, and say we have another Reuben Droughns..
I'd then like to add we have Lee Suggs 2.0, and in all honesty.. Hardesty will NEVER be as good as what Suggs appeared to be. Haresty sux..
I'd really like to draft Trent Richardson in the 1st round and also Isaiah Pead in the 4th round.. Those two guys will do some damage together.
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If we're not going QB in the 1st, and we could somehow get both Richardson and Blackmon, I would be a happy guy... But that doesn't seem at all possible with where they are both expected to go...
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GMAFB!! You are actually comparing Droughns to Hillis?? Please don't get so engrossed into stats. Use your "eyes" and "brain". Hillis was a much better player last year than Droughns was that year. And he still is. I guarantee you that he will have a successful career
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Did you watch Droughns his 1k year? Dude ran hard as heck, just because he didn't hurdle people all the time doesn't mean he wasn't any good that year...
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I have to agree with MB. Hillis ran much better last year than Droughns did in '07.
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I have to agree with MB. Hillis ran much better last year than Droughns did in '07.
2005.
07 we had Jamal Lewis.
And I'm not saying Hillis isn't better than Droughns, I'm just not going to throw myself at a guy who's had 7 good games...
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Yes, I did see every game that year. And no way in hell did he show me as much pure talent as I saw in Hillis last year. Not even close.
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What are you, Hillis's cousin?
He's a good, not great, RB. He can be replaced. And probably will be if he doesn't come down out of the clouds with his contract demands.
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I CANNOT believe people are okay with him leaving the team. Where were you last season? Have you not seen how he dished out the punishment that our team has been facing since we've been back??? Heck, even his own teammates have spoken about how important he is.
In the last 7 games he's played, he's carried the balls 92 times for 318 yards (3.4 average) and 2 TD's.
He's had 5 100 yard rushing games with us, but in those games fumbled four times.
He's had five games where he failed to reach a 3.0 average with at least 10 carries.
I would consider a good game from a back to be 60+ yards at a 4.0 clip. Using that standard, Hillis has had seven good games. In those games, he's fumbled six times.
Would I love to keep the guy? You bet.
I also think Shurmur is an idiot who has hindered his production.
But I don't think it's the end of the world if he leaves, especially considering he's running himself out of town.
Football being a TEAM game it is hard to have good running stats when your oline is breaking down, you see your top Blocking FB dumped, there is no wr the opposition fears..so I discount statistics as any definative answer other than his production was going down.
Mangini ran Hillis into the dirt as he had NO other option left at RB. Getting Hillis help was the STATED priority yet in action we added almost nothing to the oline, released his FB and were left to rely on unreliable help. the front office deemed oft injured hardesty and one free agent pickup as Help and then were left with NOTHING when IRON MAN Hillis got hurt.
Which brings up the Coach, it was apparent something has been amiss even when Hillis was healthy how Hardesty was being inserted over Hillis. There seems a difference of opinion about Hillis sickness and Injuries..the Coach SAYS he is fine with it but he seems GRIM about it. A team with NO options at RB would be asisnine to trade in the Ham sandwich turned Hero sandwich into no sandwich.
where's the beef? I think between the Coach his RB and a front office that is cheap and stupid to keep home grown talent. Hillis is a talent at RB. make the kid happy, grow up...yet if our stupid rookie coaches and front office resorts to prior regimes we will cut a talent and shoot ourselves in the foot Again.
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What are you, Hillis's cousin?
He's a good, not great, RB. He can be replaced. And probably will be if he doesn't come down out of the clouds with his contract demands.
I think its 40 himself.... 
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Just posted so you guys could see Hillis in uniform. I think he may be on his way. I fund it very odd that during the game on the sideline, Hillis had almost no interaction, no chats, no smiling and such with anybody. He was like an island walking around. Don't think that bodes well. Saddens me if he is being eased out. 
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They showed Hillis talking to another guy in street clothes. I believe that was Hardesty. They showed them talking several times.
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They showed Hillis talking to another guy in street clothes. I believe that was Hardesty. They showed them talking several times.
Yeah, I saw Hillis 2 or 3 times talking to Hardesty. Smiling even. And the other times I saw him he was in the midst of a bunch of other people. But all of them were watching the field and not talking.
There have been enough chapters in this saga w/out people trying to read his body language on the sideline.
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You're looking WAY too deeply, Bard.
He wasn't dressed for the game, thus his job is to stay out of the way of the guys that ARE dressed.
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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News flash !... Hillis will have no problems finding work else where
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Just posted so you guys could see Hillis in uniform. I think he may be on his way. I fund it very odd that during the game on the sideline, Hillis had almost no interaction, no chats, no smiling and such with anybody.
He was like an island walking around. Don't think that bodes well. Saddens me if he is being eased out.
THey showed him on the sidelines talking to Monterio Hardesty a number of times.. ..
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He even smiled once...wonder what that means? Nothing is funny to him!
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The fact is this team is atrocious without Steinbach Hillis and Vickers.
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No doubt there...teams lose players all the time though. We (the Browns) need to find ways to fill those holes and win.
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/11/cleveland_browns_rb_peyton_hil_16.htmlEREA -- Browns coach Pat Shurmur ruled out running back Peyton Hillis (hamstring) and safety T.J. Ward (foot) for Sunday's game against the Jaguars. But he said he hopes both players will be back this season and that he doesn't have plans at this point to place either of them on injured reserve. He said Ward will have his cast changed today and have another X-ray, and "then we'll see how to proceed'' with him. Shurmur said the team should have a better idea after the X-ray how long Ward will be out, but it's unknown if and when he'll share that information. Shurmur also said that Mohamed Massaquoi (concussion) is feeling better and that he's been asymptomatic for a few days.
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
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