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Ouch. It's bad when you're ruled out on a Tuesday.
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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EREA -- Browns coach Pat Shurmur ruled out running back Peyton Hillis (hamstring) and safety T.J. Ward (foot) for Sunday's game against the Jaguars.
But he said he hopes both players will be back this season and that he doesn't have plans at this point to place either of them on injured reserve.
He said Ward will have his cast changed today and have another X-ray, and "then we'll see how to proceed'' with him.
Shurmur said the team should have a better idea after the X-ray how long Ward will be out, but it's unknown if and when he'll share that information.
Shurmur also said that Mohamed Massaquoi (concussion) is feeling better and that he's been asymptomatic for a few days.
Well as I always mention,halfway through the season the Browns find out what their bigger needs will be next season.
Hillis will be not what he wants for a payday..Mo .this guy is having concussion problems and I really wouldn't count on him to do anything..those head injuries are scary.
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After the way this season has gone, I bet Hillis is wishing he had signed an offer with the Browns.. I don't even know what that offer was but I bet it's more than he's going to get next year from us or anybody else.
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I wish I had typed my comment better..no even on the open market he's not going to get a huge payday.
I also suspect the Browns will bring in another back.even Hardesty is not a long term answer.
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that may actually work in our favor....suppose he hits fa and gets offers substantially lower than what our "low" offer was. We may have the opportunity to be good sports and put that offer back on the table so to speak.
Then we get a Hillis who is more humble and shows up knowing he got a break and a fair deal.
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At this point, any contract he gets is going to have a much lower number in the first year or two of it with loads of performance escalators... and I would expect it to be heavily backloaded.
The shine is off his celebrity. He's last year's news and just another chapter under "Madden Curse"... he completely missed his chance to cash in.
Had he been playing (instead of sitting at home with strep throat) and performing he'd still be in a position of strength.
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Hillis' situation is going to be used like crazy by agents in the future. They are going to point to the fact he did not hold out and struggled during the year with injuries as a reason he got a lesser offer.
And, then they will point to Chris Johnson's deal when he held out.
It's not apples to apples by any means, but it is going to be done and I expect a bunch of players to go for it.
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What are you, Hillis's cousin?
He's a good, not great, RB. He can be replaced. And probably will be if he doesn't come down out of the clouds with his contract demands.
What did he do to you? Steal your girlfriend?
He can be replaced? LMAO!!!!! Ding! Ding! We have a new in-house expert who beats them all.
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Peyton's injury history shows that he can be replaced. If he can't stay healthy, then his value plummets.
Now, I am fully in favor of keeping him a Brown. I want to sign him to a reasonable contract and keep the biggest positive offensive spark from last year on the team. I don't want to have to draft a RB high in the draft when we have so many other needs. I also do not want to pay top dollar to a RB with his injury concerns and playing style. Hopefully, sanity reigns and the FO and Hillis both realize that they are both best served by staying together. For the kids sake (errr fans).
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Shurmur just announced Hillis would be out once again this Sunday against the Bengals.
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Shurmur just announced Hillis would be out once again this Sunday against the Bengals.
Hillis is done for the year, I bet.
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Hillis is not going to take a chance with his carrier for a Team that doesn't care if he stays or goes !
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Ya know Water, if you'd have said that last year, people would have destroyed you.
This year, after everything we've seen from him.......I can't say for sure that isn't true. The only compelling evidence against that thought are two-fold, and one of them is also somewhat damning:
1) He wants to play to win a football game.
2) He wants to play to show he deserves the money he wants. I mean afterall, he's on his third agent............
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Look I love the guy ( man crush ) , He has been a blue collar /lunch box kinda Brown I crave .. I happen to believe that his situation had been screwed up since the end of last season .. Agents , new Coach , Tom Terrific and the like .. Hope things work out by the end of the year and he stays in Orange & Brown .. Have my doubts !
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I have had enough of Hillis' faking an injury to gain a huge contract from the Browns.
I have no idea why the refs removed all my posts in this thread...good GOD !
I have the opinion that Hillis and his agent have agreed to faking an injury because they want a huge payday from the Browns and they are willing to screw over the Browns in order to get that fat payday.
I guess I'm not allowed to have an opinion on this message board...
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Yeah ... because being considered injury prone is the surest way to get a big contract. Having other teams look at you like you're a prima donna is a great way to land the biggest possible deal. Having Ogbonnaya come in from nowhere and rush for 90 and 115 yards in the last 2 games, with over 5 yards/carry, is a really great way to show the team that they can't live without you.  Really .... are you serious? 
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YT...are you so naive to believe that Hillis and his agent are not pulling another Shaun Rogers on Heckert and the Browns?
Come on, man....
I would not doubt Hillis and his agent are already talking to other teams...you really believe that agents do not talk about player contracts through various contacts they have with the franchises?
Hillis is kicking us Browns fans square in the teeth and some of you are standing there, taking it, believing that Hillis could not play because he had strep throat and he "reinjured" his hammy.
Hillis is faking injury in an attempt to extort a huge payday from the Browns or another NFL team, willing to reward him and his agent for using the "I'm injured" tactic again.
Tell me this YT...did you believe Shaun Rogers was hurt, his last season with the Browns?
Hillis is faking it...
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YT...are you so naive to believe that Hillis and his agent are not pulling another Shaun Rogers on Heckert and the Browns?
Come on, man....
I would not doubt Hillis and his agent are already talking to other teams...you really believe that agents do not talk about player contracts through various contacts they have with the franchises?
Hillis is kicking us Browns fans square in the teeth and some of you are standing there, taking it, believing that Hillis could not play because he had strep throat and he "reinjured" his hammy.
Hillis is faking injury in an attempt to extort a huge payday from the Browns or another NFL team, willing to reward him and his agent for using the "I'm injured" tactic again.
Tell me this YT...did you believe Shaun Rogers was hurt, his last season with the Browns?
Hillis is faking it...
Im starting to feel this way as well
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If Hillis doesn't play the rest of the year, and all teams have to go on is one year where he played very well, how can that be healthy for his contract status?
I think if the dude wants top dollar, he needs to go out and ball. He would have had a monster game on Sunday with the way the offensive line played.
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Like most issues, there isn't a black or white way to see this. I think the true argument is what percentage is behind the factors keeping him from playing.
- His hammy isn't 100% yet. It's not a fast healing injury.
- He's being overly cautious about coming back and getting a "real" injury that could affect his contract in 2012 (ACL tear)
I'm hope for his sake, it's more hammy-related. I worry it's the latter though.
But really, I could see his dilema....the current team isn't giving you an extension for what you think you could get on the open market (forget the argument about if that's true or how much he's asking for). So, do you ball your ass off now and risk ruining that contract from another team OR milk a hammy injury, which won't hurt your contracy numbers*, and coast your way to a new team?
*A hammy injury wouldn't be a red flag for other teams IMO. Once it's healed, it's over. It's not like an ACL tear, back/neck surgery or a concussion. Those can hurt the players ability to perform going forward, a hammy isn't like that.
Right now....I think it's 50 - 50. He's hurt...but isn't really upset about being out.
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YT...are you so naive to believe that Hillis and his agent are not pulling another Shaun Rogers on Heckert and the Browns?
Come on, man....
I would not doubt Hillis and his agent are already talking to other teams...you really believe that agents do not talk about player contracts through various contacts they have with the franchises?
Hillis is kicking us Browns fans square in the teeth and some of you are standing there, taking it, believing that Hillis could not play because he had strep throat and he "reinjured" his hammy.
Hillis is faking injury in an attempt to extort a huge payday from the Browns or another NFL team, willing to reward him and his agent for using the "I'm injured" tactic again.
Tell me this YT...did you believe Shaun Rogers was hurt, his last season with the Browns?
Hillis is faking it...
Im starting to feel this way as well
Tubby...no one on this board was a bigger Hillis fan than I...
I loved the guy and what he stood for, but little did I realize how low he would go to get his money.
I have stayed silent on the Hillis injury issue the entire season, allowing myself to be played for a sucker by Hillis and his agent.
I did not want to believe this guy was scum...but I'm sorry to say, he is just that, scum...willing to kick the Browns fans in the teeth in an effort to get huge payday.
It was not until I found out that Hillis had the same agent Shaun Rogers had, that the light finally came on in my head. I said to myself, I have seen this tactic used before...not that long ago.
I had no use for Shaun Rogers because he refused to putout for the Browns, almost daring them to trade him or cut him. He was a cancer that the Browns carried for two seasons, when they should not have.
My biggest concern with the Hillis situation is the trend it could be starting in the NFL. As far as I know, this is the only agent daring the NFL to do something about the tactic he is using.
This tactic will be used again and again by other agents if the NFL allows it happen again. It will be a growing problem, unless addressed by the NFL.
Hillis makes me sick to my stomach because he obviously doesn't give a damn about the Cleveland fans who voted his sorry butt onto the cover of Madden 12.
IMO, it's time for Browns fans to call Hillis out and give him exactly what he has given us, this season...only the fans will be telling the truth about Hillis and not lying about being injured.
Also, it's not a bad time to let the national media know that "Browns fans" are not fools and we know exactly what Hillis and his agent are trying to pull.
No better time to take the Hillis situation nationally and allow everyone a chance to see what kind of guy, Hillis really is.
If we could vote Hillis off the cover of Madden 12, I would start the petition myself. He sure doesn't deserve that honor, which was given to him, courtesy of Browns fans.
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I have had enough of Hillis' faking an injury to gain a huge contract from the Browns.
I'm not 100% sure of this, but I think they can medically examine him and tell if he's faking a Hammy..
Point being, I don't believe he's faking it at all..
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YT...are you so naive to believe that Hillis and his agent are not pulling another Shaun Rogers on Heckert and the Browns?
Come on, man....
I would not doubt Hillis and his agent are already talking to other teams...you really believe that agents do not talk about player contracts through various contacts they have with the franchises?
Hillis is kicking us Browns fans square in the teeth and some of you are standing there, taking it, believing that Hillis could not play because he had strep throat and he "reinjured" his hammy.
Hillis is faking injury in an attempt to extort a huge payday from the Browns or another NFL team, willing to reward him and his agent for using the "I'm injured" tactic again.
Tell me this YT...did you believe Shaun Rogers was hurt, his last season with the Browns?
Hillis is faking it...
Im starting to feel this way as well
Tubby...no one on this board was a bigger Hillis fan than I...
I loved the guy and what he stood for, but little did I realize how low he would go to get his money.
I have stayed silent on the Hillis injury issue the entire season, allowing myself to be played for a sucker by Hillis and his agent.
I did not want to believe this guy was scum...but I'm sorry to say, he is just that, scum...willing to kick the Browns fans in the teeth in an effort to get huge payday.
It was not until I found out that Hillis had the same agent Shaun Rogers had, that the light finally came on in my head. I said to myself, I have seen this tactic used before...not that long ago.
I had no use for Shaun Rogers because he refused to putout for the Browns, almost daring them to trade him or cut him. He was a cancer that the Browns carried for two seasons, when they should not have.
My biggest concern with the Hillis situation is the trend it could be starting in the NFL. As far as I know, this is the only agent daring the NFL to do something about the tactic he is using.
This tactic will be used again and again by other agents if the NFL allows it happen again. It will be a growing problem, unless addressed by the NFL.
Hillis makes me sick to my stomach because he obviously doesn't give a damn about the Cleveland fans who voted his sorry butt onto the cover of Madden 12.
IMO, it's time for Browns fans to call Hillis out and give him exactly what he has given us, this season...only the fans will be telling the truth about Hillis and not lying about being injured.
Also, it's not a bad time to let the national media know that "Browns fans" are not fools and we know exactly what Hillis and his agent are trying to pull.
No better time to take the Hillis situation nationally and allow everyone a chance to see what kind of guy, Hillis really is.
If we could vote Hillis off the cover of Madden 12, I would start the petition myself. He sure doesn't deserve that honor, which was given to him, courtesy of Browns fans.
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I said at the start of the year I noticed a difference in him and was laughed at. I noticed his ego, and his general attitude had changed and got laughed at as well. When I questioned it people bashed me upside the head, now I can see I was right with my gut feeling on the guy. Last year he was an "awe shucks I’m just glad to be here type of player", this year he is trying to be Hollywood. And it’s no secret that he got that cover because of the Browns fans. Hell it could have been McCoy and we would have voted just to get that orange helmet on the cover.
I feel in a weird way we did this to ourselves by going above and beyond in voting him to the cover of the game. I think the minute we did that his head went bang! I think he started to value himself above the team, and thought the fans would back him and there would be a huge outcry from the fan base to resign him. Much like we did with Cribbs. I really wanted to be wrong in the worse way about him, but it appears we have lost him. I could see him signing with Pitt, Baltimore, or even the Gals just to get back at the organization, the team, and the fan base.
Thanks for the memories Peyton, your fathead will continue to hang in my man-cave even though your dedication to this team has deteriorated.
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I have had enough of Hillis' faking an injury to gain a huge contract from the Browns.
I'm not 100% sure of this, but I think they can medically examine him and tell if he's faking a Hammy..
Point being, I don't believe he's faking it at all..
Absolutely. Shurmur said he had an MRI that showed the injury. 
Now, is he giving it his all to rehab it? Is he maybe not fully stratching it out when he does compete at practice? Who knows. But there's no disputing that there was an injury, and hammies can be reinjured pretty easily.
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Anyone who thinks Hillis is faking because of a long rehab has never had a pulled hamstring. I have and it took a long time to heal.
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Let's assume for one second that this injury is real (I have no proof one way or the other). What does that tell nfl teams? It tells me that he is injury prone and cannot be relied upon. Out most of this season with a hammy, played injured at the end of last season and was unproductive during those last 4-5 games. How about before he came to the Browns? He got thrust into the starting lineup in Denver, had 2-3 very good games then tore his hammy and was out the rest of the season.
When I look at Hillis I see a strong powerful Rb who can be productive for perhaps 8 games a season. Not a guy I want to give a big contract to.
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Please never say this again.
So making a joke about me having a 6'5" fathead of the guy on my wall in my mancave is somehow off limits?
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Same here. I pulled mine two years ago training for our X-mas flag football game. I played in the game 2 weeks later and it affected my play enough that I didn't win the MVP trophy again (we still won though). I don't think my hammy was 100% until the end of Janurary too.
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I have had enough of Hillis' faking an injury to gain a huge contract from the Browns.
I'm not 100% sure of this, but I think they can medically examine him and tell if he's faking a Hammy..
Point being, I don't believe he's faking it at all..
Absolutely. Shurmur said he had an MRI that showed the injury.
Now, is he giving it his all to rehab it? Is he maybe not fully stratching it out when he does compete at practice? Who knows. But there's no disputing that there was an injury, and hammies can be reinjured pretty easily.
His big pay day hinges on seeing the field again this year. You can bet he is working to get there.
I was worried about him when it was announced he was working out in the off-season back in Arkansas with his buddies. Something tells me he was not really in football shape and we were on borrowed time with him and an injury.
I want him re-signed because I believe he still has gas in the tank. They'd better demand he attend to his off-season conditioning in a serious manner, though.
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To me, a pulled/torn hammy is just a bad luck injury. I don't think it adds to someones resume of being "oft-injured". It can happen to anyone. And it can be reinjured quite easily if the player/team force playing too soon.
Once it's fully healed, the player should have learned the lesson of warming up and streaching properly before activity. So, it may not come up again, ever. As far as the offseason goes, we'll see how that plays out then. As of now, he's a Brown and I want him healthy ASAP.
It may hurt his contract status a little.....but also, it's 6-8 games of less pounding on his frame too. So, while it stinks he's out, he's also going to be that much more fresh in 2012.
I'm no Hillis apologist. I think he's jaking it a bit.....but I can't prove anything either. I'm hoping he comes back healthy enough to bust the Ravens and Steelers in the mouth.
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Absolutely. Shurmur said he had an MRI that showed the injury.
OK,, so if that's the case, whats with all the bull some folks are throwing around about him faking the injury? If they can see it on an MRI,, sounds to me like the case is closed....
Like you say, if he's dogging the rehab,,, I"m sure the trainer, Coach, GM and President of the club all know it.
I could be wrong (and have been plenty of times) but Hillis just doesn't strike me as the kinda guy that would dog it.. He seems to WANT to be out there.
Right now, fairly or unfairly, he's sitting on the sidelines watching his stock plummet. I'll bet anyone on here that if he could, he'd be out there playing....
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Published: Friday, November 04, 2011, 12:08 PM Updated: Friday, November 04, 2011, 3:59 PM
Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer
"BEREA, Ohio -- Browns running back Peyton Hillis will be out at least a couple of weeks after re-injuring his hamstring in practice today, a source said.
An MRI this afternoon revealed that he significantly aggravated the muscle.
It happened early in practice on a run up the middle.
Hillis came up limping on the play, grabbing at his left hamstring.
He fired the ball to the ground, then threw his helmet down in frustration.
He limped over to the sidelines and stood talking to one of the team trainers with his head down and his hands on his hips. He then limped halfway down the practice field for further examination by the trainer.
willing to give the effort.
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Right you are Damon.
How is it so many people missed this news back when it was reported. It was posted on the board. That's where I first read it.
This article, that was written on November 4th, confirms the injury by an MRI. This was major enough news for me that I didn't forget it, hence, I wrote a reply to mac which was essentially just humor at mac's expense, since I couldn't believe that anyone on this board would not remember that report after his re-injury that he had an MRI and it showed a bad hamstring.
Yet there's an ongoing discussion on whether or not Hillis is faking and why he may or may not be.
My curiosity is whether he tried to practice, obviously too soon, because he really felt like he could compete or if he did it because of pressure from fans and media who spew all the nasty stuff about "lack of toughness and/or commitment" and he was trying to prove that he is committed.
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The hammy issue with Hillis could be considered chronic given his history in that regard.
I think he's really hurt and would destroy his chance of a big payday if he does not make it back this season and does so in a meaningful way.
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Anyone who thinks Hillis is faking because of a long rehab has never had a pulled hamstring. I have and it took a long time to heal.
Dave...wrong...I have had a pulled hammy and "I played with it".
It comes down to the players desire, whether they play with a regular occurring injuries or take advantage a situation such as Hillis is doing.
In high school, we had players who had strep, who played...come on, man...I don't know, maybe we were tougher in HS than Peyton Hillis is as a Pro.
...do you need any more evidence that Hillis and his agent cooked up this little deal to screw over the Browns?
Dave, Hillis' own teammates are miffed because Hillis is screwing around when he could be getting treatment for his "mega pulled hammy".
Do you believe Hillis' teammates are being unfair to Hillis?
I have seen enough and read enough from reliable sources to put together the whole picture about what is going on with Hillis.
....he has the same agent Shaun Rogers had...dave, do you believe Shaun Rogers was hurt his last season with the Browns, or using your judgement, do you believe Rogers was just a disgruntled player looking to do anything he could to get out of Cleveland...did I mention that Rogers and Hillis have the same agent?
There are times when we must rely on our own experiences and apply that knowledge to a situation, in order to figure out what is "really" going on.
As a lifelong Cleveland sports fan and especially as a Browns fan...I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP FROM PRIMA DONAs like Hillis.
We fans are aloud to have an opinion and I can tell you Hillis is lying...he is faking injury just like Shaun Rogers did.
If Hillis was serious about wanting to play for the Browns, he would have been listening to his teammates and doing all he could to get treatment to get back on the field....Hillis obviously "is not" doing all he could to get back..as teammates have pointed out, in there own way.
My hope is Heckert and Holmgren nail Hillis and his agent, if at all possible.
This is twice it has happened to the Browns...when will some Browns fans finally "get it"...after the 5th or 6th time a player represented by this agent pulls the I'm injured" scam?
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There are degrees of injury ... strains, pulls, tears ... you have no idea to what degree Hillis is injured. My experience was that I had a pretty severe pull and was unable to run full-out for weeks. It can easily be a 6-8 week deal if the pull is bad enough, A partial tear is even worse.
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I have had enough of Hillis' faking an injury to gain a huge contract from the Browns.
I'm not 100% sure of this, but I think they can medically examine him and tell if he's faking a Hammy..
Point being, I don't believe he's faking it at all..
They did an MRI a few weeks ago after he re-tweaked it... kinda hard to fake an MRI.
He'll be back when he's back.
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mac, give it up. You regurgitate this crap everywhere. Read the "gems" you posted on PFT. Hillis is not faking. They did an MRI and he has a pulled hamstring. Andre Johnson from Huston has missed just about the same amount of games for get this "An Injured Hamstring." No one is sitting out faking an injury to get more money. No one. Hillis lost money by sitting out. Everyone knows that. This idiotic notion that his he faking an injury to get a bigger pay check is just that....idiotic. In fact unless he comes back for the other remaining games and rushes for 150+ each game he won't even get the money the Browns already offered him.
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What I don't get from this whole debate is the "just like Sean Rogers and his agent played the browns with fake injuries"
Yeah, they played us so well that they picked up a 1 year $4 million contract when it was all over.
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