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Title: 19.01.2 - Exemplary Conduct.
Individuals employed by or associated with member institutions for the administration, the conduct or the coaching of intercollegiate athletics are, in the final analysis, teachers of young people. Their responsibility is an affirmative one, and they must do more than avoid improper conduct or questionable acts. Their own moral values must be so certain and positive that those younger and more pliable will be influenced by a fine example. Much more is expected of them than of the less critically placed citizen.
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Good decision. Had to be done. JoePA was a great coach, sad to see it end like this but it needed to be done.
In a way you are right.
Again, I don't think Peterno did anything wrong and doesn't deserve to go out like this.
But....what we are seeing is the institution bolstering the fortress to insulate as best as possible against legal actions by cutting ties with everyone even remotely tied to this scandal.
Cutting lose a legend helps in that effort.
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I'm a little confused (not a shock I bet) JoePa got the info on Sandusky, turned it over to his AD and then did nothing else.
Right?
I'm no guru and I think child molesters are at the lowest rung of the ladder.. But what exactly did JoePa do so wrong that he deserves immediate termination?
He reported it to his supervisor.. Was he supposed to go around his boss to the board of directors or president of the University? Or maybe the press.
I'm not in any way excusing anyone from this. But this looks more like the U of P protecting thier butts and cutting thier losses.
Having said all of that, it may actually be for the best to put this behind them and move on.
Joe.. you will be missed..
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who else thinks it's awfully convenient that this came to light the day after JoePa got to 409wins?
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You said Joe Pa will be missed? You are confused my friend. A regular human would have called the authorities. You may need some counseling , I am serious.
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So...you're not really leaving, are you??
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So...you're not really leaving, are you??
Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that he is.
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Even the best of people get in the middle of terrible situations. Should he have done differently? Sure. A lot of people feel that way about past events in their life, and while they're not on the level of child molestation, I believe him when he says not doing more is one of his deepest regrets.
Nobody should forget that the children here are the true victims. Football is football, a pleasant distraction. At least, not in Penn State (or Cleveland).
And that's what I'm talking about students, there's nothing like showing your support better then a good old fashioned riot. I know it's been talking about before, but I'll never understand why anybody would want to just destroy. Tip of the hat to "Ryan Smith, Brennan Pankiw and Jared Hook, who were identified by Getty as the guys walking around with shopping carts and trash bags gathering glass and debris from the windows of the damaged stores and buildings."
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He passed it up the ladder
There is no ladder!
Everyone who knew about it should be fired, period.
Passed it up the ladder. Give me a break. This isn't a NCAA violation about tattoo's or paying players. There's no, "Well, I told them, so it's on them."
This is sexually abusing CHILDREN!
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I guess my comment at this point is directed at the Big Ten Conference. We've now had 2 pretty big scandals involving member schools of the Big Ten.
This is NOT about football. This is NOT about NCAA violations. The two aren't even related.
I'm so tired of seeing people bringing the Ohio State scandal up. That has NOTHING to do with this.
Ohio State and Jim Tressel looked the other way about some tattoo's and NCAA violations. No big deal. Got caught, Tressell lost his job, no big deal.
This is a guy SEXUALLY ABUSING CHILDREN! This is NOT and NCAA issue. This is bigger than sports.
Not only should he be fired, but he should, at the least, be on trial. If this indeed was part of a coverup, then he should be in prison with Sandusky AND everyone else that knew about this and ignored it.
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This whole thing is sickening, and I won't be returning to this thread.
In all seriousness, it is just sad all the way around. Just plain sad.
What I was thinking on the way to work is that every decision made, from back when the shower incident happened, to the cover ups, ALL the way up to the firing of JoePa, was made w/ Penn State's interests put first. And it is coming to bite them in the butt. Heck it is coming to CRIPPLE them . . .
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Not only should he be fired, but he should, at the least, be on trial. If this indeed was part of a coverup, then he should be in prison with Sandusky AND everyone else that knew about this and ignored it.
Seriously? He should be put in prison along with Sandusky for reporting it to his boss? That clearly sounds like a cover-up to me. We do not know all of the facts yet, but what we do know is that he reported it as he was required to do.
Here's the part that I really don't like about it. Penn State needs to just clear house right now, end of story. Right now, Paterno isn't being fired for what he did, he's being fired in order for the university to try and save face because he is the most recognizable person there. Notice how the reports all say Paterno and president are fired.
If he was fired for what he did, and not a media ploy, why isn't McQueary immediately fired? After all, he is the person who supposedly directly witnessed it and only did the same thing that Paterno did, followed procedure and reported it on up the chain. If you were to pick one person who absolutely should have called the cops, it was him. He is the person who directly witnessed it, there is no third party he-said, she-said. Yet, he still remains employeed.
Then you have the athletic director Curley, who is on a "leave-of-absense" while the trustees create a committee to look into a cover-up. Why is he not directly fired too? He's allowed to dictate his own punishment and thusly not be directly fired? If you are going to cut off one head, then you must cut off them all.
This just shows how cowardly Penn State is right now. Let's just cut off the head of the most recognizable middle man and let the individual who ultimately saw the incident and the individual who was ultimately the responsible party keep their jobs? Also, let's fire our university president at the same time, that will shut some people up and distract them.
Easy solution, you create an investigation and let JoePa keep his position until the investigation is completed just as you are doing with others, or you just clear house. You can't have both.
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He passed it up the ladder
There is no ladder!
Everyone who knew about it should be fired, period.
Passed it up the ladder. Give me a break. This isn't a NCAA violation about tattoo's or paying players. There's no, "Well, I told them, so it's on them."
This is sexually abusing CHILDREN!
Unbelieveable that some people think "passing it up the ladder" is enough
Exactly, the least Joe should have done is told McQueary to call the police. If anyone comes to me and says one of my workers was seen doing unspeakable acts to a young child the first thing I would have said is "If what you are telling me is true then call the police. I'll inform my superiors but you are the witness you should call the police."
These people were worried about their program. And after I read the grand jury report I believe they looked the other way and didn't do enough. I won't say Joe should be in jail but he deserved to lose his job for not doing enough or doing the bare minimum when the safety of young children are involved. I also think more may come out as to why the Monster "retired" in 1999 after a sting operation between campus police and a mother of a child after she suspected inappropriate things were going on. I have a hard time believing Joe didn't know about that and his "retirement" soon after that incident just seems fishy. In the end we will know more and all of these guys looked the other way. McQueary is garbage IMO. How that Monster was still coming around the program bringing more children with him and McQueary still kept his mouth shut. SMH
Also, if you want to look at the University's side, they need to start moving forward now. Getting rid of Joe (and next should be McQueary) as well as the president is a start. They do have to play football. They will be playing football next year. The NCAA isn't going to give Penn St. the death penalty over this (even though the scandal its self is kind of a death penalty) they will need to start working their image back because they do have to go out and recruit players for next year and the year after. The Human side of this does come first but Penn St does still have to operate its business and sports is part of that business.
I also agree that the comparison to OSU and Jim Tressel should not be made. Entirely different situation.
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I have a hard time buying this latest thing about how joe wasn't told of a full sodomy rape.
The guy witnesses it first hand. The following day after talking with his father, they decide to tell Joe Paterno, and you don't fully tell him what you saw, but rather offer a vague description. Excuse me, what?
Sounds like damage control to me.
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Seriously? He should be put in prison along with Sandusky for reporting it to his boss?
I said he should be put on trial for it.
And if he was part of a coverup, yes, he should be in prison.
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Seriously? He should be put in prison along with Sandusky for reporting it to his boss?
I said he should be put on trial for it.
And if he was part of a coverup, yes, he should be in prison.
I know you won't believe this, but I really do understand your anger.. to a great degree I agree with you.
Punish those who committed crimes... absolutly.
But to date, I'm not sure anyone has been convicted of anything. I think it's premature for terminations. Should he be fired if he is proven to have been involved in any way to cover up a crime.. Yeah,,
But punish first and prove it later isn't the way it's supposed to work. Joe Paterno, given the way he's lead his life otherwise, at least deserves the same rights as anyone else would.
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Didn't Joe Paterno admit to being told about an incident in 2002?
The fact that the alegations were there, never reported, and mostly that he STILL allowed Sandusky around the program is enough for me to fire him.
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The grand jury report isn't enough?
No,, conviction is what the standard should be.
As has been said a million times, you can get a ham sandwich indicted by a grand jury..
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Didn't Joe Paterno admit to being told about an incident in 2002?
The fact that the alegations were there, never reported, and mostly that he STILL allowed Sandusky around the program is enough for me to fire him.
Why didn't the cops step in back in 1998, when Sandusky was taped TWICE by police while having a conversation with the mother of one of the victims and ADMITTING to a crime? Maybe the police department involved should also be punished. If the police stepped in back in '98, 2002 never would have happened
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The point isn't what happened before. The point is about what Paterno knew, and the lack of action taken.
I understand you're a Penn State fan, but this is bigger than sports.
I'm a diehard Kentucky fan. If this came out about John Calipari, I'd be calling for his head, too.
It's bigger than sports, people need to realize that.
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The point isn't what happened before. The point is about what Paterno knew, and the lack of action taken.
I understand you're a Penn State fan, but this is bigger than sports.
I'm a diehard Kentucky fan. If this came out about John Calipari, I'd be calling for his head, too.
It's bigger than sports, people need to realize that.
Read my previous posts, I said he SHOULD be fired...but i think there are multiple people wrong in this case
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sorry, but that is not the way it works in big business (and yes, universities are big business).
if you sully the name of your university, then you are fired. this scandal may have long lasting effects on the university and some of it is from the direct actions (or rather inactions) of Joe Paterno (the face of the university).
I find nothing wrong with his firing. It is up to the board to determine the best course for the school. They have decided. The End.
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Didn't Joe Paterno admit to being told about an incident in 2002?
Yes he did, And all I'd ask is let the case run it's course before terminating him.
The fact that the alegations were there, never reported, and mostly that he STILL allowed Sandusky around the program is enough for me to fire him.
Fired, maybe, but you were talking about putting him on trial and convicting him. What would you do if it later was reported that Paterno fell on his sword for someone else that should have taken his report to the board of the university? I don't know and I'm not saying that's what will come to light, but now he's fired, the stigma is attached forever,, you can't put that poop back in the horse... I would rather we be sure, then I'm ok with convictions, jail, whatever punishment one can exact on him.
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You fire him now, put him on trial for what he knew, if found guilty of a coverup, he goes to prison.
That's all I'm saying.
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You fire him now, put him on trial for what he knew, if found guilty of a coverup, he goes to prison.
That's all I'm saying.
That's not the way it works.
First you do an investigation. Then you try and determine who knew what, and if someone broke the law. If it appears that someone broke the law, and you have evidence that supports that position, then you charge them and you put them on trial.
The entire case is vile and disgusting, but that doesn't change the legal system, nor does it change the steps they take to build a case. You are skipping the entire investigation.case building steps.
That's dangerous. You are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Plus, let's say that type charged him today for ... something ..... went to trial, but because of the haste of the case, you couldn't prove your case. He walks. Then, while finishing your investigation of someone else, you find evidence that proves that he was guilty of something. Double jeopardy would prevent you for charging him with a crime again, when he was already found not guilty. Rush to judgement is always dangerous, but especially so in a case like this. You want to make sure that all guilty parties are convicted ..... but you also want to make sure that no innocent people are smeared with the filth of the case.
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Anyone who thinks he did enough and shouldn't be fired is an absolute moron.
If someone told me that my friend was molesting or raping a kid I would urge that person to call the police...if they didn't I would. F procedures...this going way beyond freaking procedures.
And he never even talked to Sandusky about what he was told? He's either lying or didn't care.
There really shouldn't be a debate about this.
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Anyone who supports Paterno, supports rape. That means the students rioting and protesting and Penn State. Those students are all perverts. Penn State isn't doing enough, McCreaery needs fired as well. Or it looks like they support rape.
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Anyone who supports Paterno, supports rape.
I support a great deal of what Paterno has stood for over the years, and I DON'T support rape. Your statement is false.
And for someone who was done and leaving, you sure post a lot; very little of which is worth reading.
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Anyone who supports Paterno, supports rape.
That's like saying anyone who supports the ratbirds is a rotten, smelly, hypocritical traitor.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
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That's like saying anyone who supports the ratbirds is a rotten, smelly, hypocritical traitor.
Those two aren't even close to the same.
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You fire him now, put him on trial for what he knew, if found guilty of a coverup, he goes to prison.
That's all I'm saying.
So if you are accused of killing someone,, you should be fired from your job, put on trial, if found guilty, go to prison..
Great.. What if you were found innocent? Like I said, you can't put the poop back in the horse..
There is an order to things for a reason....
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If I was on trial for muder, yes I would absolutely be fired from my job.
Most on here would be as well.
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If I was on trial for muder, yes I would absolutely be fired from my job.
Most on here would be as well.
Then I take it you believe that being accused is enough to wipe a persons life out?
What happened to Innocent until proven guilty.. I thought that was a mainstay of the american judicial systems...
When did it change.
Did you not hear about this thing called Suspension from a job.
They could have very easily suspended JoePa until the outcome of whatever proceeding took place.
There wasn't a need to fire him.
I'm not weeping for him, he's a million years old and has a bankvault full of money so he'll be fine.
But my guess is that the one thing that would be worse punishment for him than being jailed would be fired from a job he loved and that was in love with him.
No No my friend, there were other avenues available. He didn't have to be fired.,, he could have been suspended.
In the end, the result would have been the same I think,, but at least he could return if something came to light that cleared him.
If being accused of something is grounds for dismissal,,, wow.. the world is warped.
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You should be fired for letting a suspected child abuser around your program
I say yes, if you disagree, I'd say you are the one that is warped.
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What happened to Innocent until proven guilty.. I thought that was a mainstay of the american judicial systems...
When did it change.
Innocent until proven guilty applies to the eyes of the law. It says nothing of public opinion or that of your employer.
And if you really want to get into that ... we don't really have 'innocent until proven guilty'. It's a myth, IMO. You don't lock away people you perceive as innocent, or restrict their travel or force them to stand in front of a judge in an orange jumpsuit. I'm not saying we shouldn't do those things ... I'm just saying it's not the M.O. of 'innocent until proven guilty'.
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I'm astounded that McQueary is still employed by PSU as I type this. Ultimately - besides Sandusky of course - he's the person MOST at fault for what this has all become, yet he's still a part of the university?
And he's the recruiting coordinator? Seriously, what young man is going to get a letter from/ speak to/ or visit him recruiting wise and be able to take him seriously? It's a joke.
Dude needs to be gone yesterday and if he's a part of that coaching staff come Saturday afternoon I have some real hesitation about the PSU Board of Trustees.
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Come on guys - this is getting out of hand.
First of all - Paterno was fired due to all of this. Did he do what he was legally required to do? Yes. Should he have followed up on it years ago? Yes.
But, he did follow protocol. He reported it when he found out about it. Blame the AD, or the president. Blame McQueary - cripes - he SAW it happen and didn't say anything till the next day?
Top - let's say you and I worked together. I report you to our supervisor because I say you were diddling with a kid. Supervisor needs to take charge, and report MY report to their manager/boss. You don't just go hang someone (the first supervisor) because 10 years later you find out it was true. Do you?
I posted a link about rumors that are circulating about sandusky - which if true, make this even worse than it is, if that can be.
How's about we blame the dude that did it????? Did Paterno KNOW it to be true? No, at the time, he didn't. McQueary did apparently. Why isn't he fired? Why isn't HE facing charges?
On a different note - I know what I'd do if I witnessed what McQueary did. I have a guess as to what YOU would've done. So why didn't the guy stop it first of all - and call the cops himself??????
Or, top - let's say you're my boss. I come to you and say "yesterday, I saw this guy doinking a kid in our place of business." What do you do? You're not the top dog at this business - you have an unconfirmed report from me - so do you go to your boss? Or do you fire ..........oops - he doesn't work there. Or do you call the cops yourself?
I'd call the cops. Hindsight is 20/20. But, lets say you went to the boss boss, told him what I told you. 10 years later we find out it was in fact true. Would you be fine with going to jail for it? You - as in you're Paterno.
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And if you really want to get into that ... we don't really have 'innocent until proven guilty'. It's a myth, IMO. You don't lock away people you perceive as innocent, or restrict their travel or force them to stand in front of a judge in an orange jumpsuit. I'm not saying we shouldn't do those things ... I'm just saying it's not the M.O. of 'innocent until proven guilty'.
Not saying anything about the PSU incident - but YES - you DO lock up alleged criminals prior to a trial. Not dui people, not petty theft people, but yes, violent criminals? Locked up till the trial, absolutely. And face it - aside from getting caught in the act, people don't just got locked up because of someone's accusations. There has to be SOME semblence of proof.
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Legend
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And if you really want to get into that ... we don't really have 'innocent until proven guilty'. It's a myth, IMO. You don't lock away people you perceive as innocent, or restrict their travel or force them to stand in front of a judge in an orange jumpsuit. I'm not saying we shouldn't do those things ... I'm just saying it's not the M.O. of 'innocent until proven guilty'.
Not saying anything about the PSU incident - but YES - you DO lock up alleged criminals prior to a trial. Not dui people, not petty theft people, but yes, violent criminals? Locked up till the trial, absolutely. And face it - aside from getting caught in the act, people don't just got locked up because of someone's accusations. There has to be SOME semblence of proof.
Like I said, I'm not saying we shouldn't do those things.
But I was pointing out that those things do not fit under the idea of 'innocent until proven guilty' We don't actually have that. It's merely a saying.
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