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What if Joe comes out and the story was McQueary went up to Joe and said ... "Hey Joe ... yeah my dad was in town and I wanted him to come by and visit you because boy he's a big fan. Yup ... he's real thankful that you let me get this position so I gave him a tour of the facilities and ... oh by the way ... I saw coach Sandusky there last night with some boy from one of his charities - they were kinda fooling around ... I don't know but uh ... I didn't know if you knew he was there or not ... anyways - just wanted to stop by ... don't forget that meeting tonight!"
#1 - While it could have gone that way....it could have also gone 9,999,999 different ways. McQuery could have only talked about Browns football, the Bigfoot monster truck or how I used to have blonde hair when I was a kid. Technically, it's all possible.....but unlikely. Just like it's probably unlikely McQuery glazed over what he saw in that shower.
#2 - If it did go down with no details or anything negative....why the hell did JoePa meet with the AD the very next day? He reported something about Sandusky and a boy in the shower.....so therefore, he HAD to have known a very good portion of what McQuery saw.
#3 - He's JoePa. He's the biggest entity on that campus and maybe even the state. And this was happening to a guy within his own program. Not a the assistant to the traveling secretary of the grounds crew. This was his longtime friend, defensive coordinator and heir-apparent to his head coaching position. And this wasn't the first time there were accusations with Sandusky and young boys during JoePa's tenure too. Heck, Sandusky retired earlier due to prior accusations....you don't think a minor mention of him being in a shower with a young boy from an eye witness wouldn't raise GIGANTIC red flags!?
I'm not someone fighting for JoePa to be burned in effigy, hanged or sued to the poorhouse. IMO and to what I've heard/read about the facts, he knew and he knew multiple different times....and he never did enough to stop it. He is guilty. Now, he's at least as guilty or slightly less guilty as McQuery, the AD and the president....but here's the deal, he's "JoePa". He is PSU. This entire timeline happened under his watch with him at the steering wheel. It was his boy that was doing it too.
Look, his motto was "Success with honor". I don't see a lot of honor in what he did (or didn't do). He got fired and that's fair. He'll have to live with his inactions and he agreed as much.
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I'm mad that PSU let a Child molester do his deeds on their campus
I'm mad that PSU covered it up
I'm mad alleged good men failed to act
I'm mad at Spainer
I'm mad at McQuery
I'm mad at the AD
I'm mad at Sandusky
I'm mad at Paterno
I'm mad at PSU
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I will just once more say that I am revolted by what has come out.
I would be 100% in favor of the death penalty for child molesters. I would be more than willing to pull the switch myself.
I don't see how Paterno didn't have some idea what was going on ...... but it appears that he is not going to be charged. The campus police did investigate after he reported this ..... at some point ..... but I am still disgusted that this was so badly fumbled at every level.
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If you thought that was revolting, read this. Hope it's not true. http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandus...ark-madden.htmlIn April, Pittsburgh radio host Mark Madden wrote a story revealing Penn State for much of the cover-up of Jerry Sandusky's alleged child rape that has been exposed in the past week. While it didn't raise many eyebrows back then, six months later it looks to be incredibly accurate. On Thursday morning, just hours after legendary head coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier were fired by the school's board of trustees, Madden was asked on WEEI's The Dennis and Callahan Show what he believes the next piece of news will be. What he said was twice as shocking as anything that's been released thus far. "I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak." After the news spread, Madden later explained via Twitter why he went public with the rumors. "I normally abhor giving RUMORS credence," Madden wrote. "But whole Sandusky scandal started out as a RUMOR. It gets deeper and more disgusting all the time. One of state's top columnists investigating. That adds credence. I am NOT rumor's original source. [Why does] Sandusky deserve benefit of doubt?" Madden also spoke more definitively on Dennis and Callahan to the cover-up efforts at the school and beyond that he expects will be made public soon. "The other thing I think that may eventually become uncovered, and I talked about this in my original article back in April, is that I think they'll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told that he had to retire in exchange for a cover-up," Madden said. "If you look at the timeline, that makes perfect sense, doesn't it? "My opinion is when Sandusky quit, everybody knew -- not just at Penn State," Madden added. "I think it was a very poorly kept secret about college football in general, and that is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55. [That's] young for a coach, certainly."
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Well if Joe would had done things differently, he would have still kept his job. Figures how much he knew about this. And just kept this to himself or didn't report as much as he should had. Really sad. But feel bad for those young men who were abused and their families. As their lives are changed forever.
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hazy line there though. some have intimated that the whistleblower laws in PA are the reason that McCreary has not been fired. since he was the one who reported the incident, he cannot be fired for reporting the incident.
that may seem a bit (alot?) hypocritical w/ what happened to JoePa, but the higher up the chain you go, the more responsibilities you have and the higher the standards you are supposed to be held to (and he wouldn't be protected by this particular law).
Yeah, A lot hypocritcal.. Joe Pa did the exact same thing that McCreary did, he told his boss.. Should he have gone further when nothing else happened.. YEAH,, he should have and so should have McCreary.
Neither did it, both did the exact same thing and ones fired the other is protected.
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yeah, there have been a few articles intimating as much. and, here's the thing. the more that comes out on this story, the worse it is getting. not better. i truly want most of this to be media spin and an overexaggeration because I don't want to live in a world where this type of stuff happens and is allowed to happen. but, at this point, it does not look good.
if what is in that story proves true, then I hope the Big10 has the stones to throw Penn State out of the conference. again, if what is in that story (and the others about administrators knowing and doing nothing) are true.
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I found an article that details how the explanation of the 2002 even went north up the chain. http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday;_ylt=AhzZreIqWdoQLvSpu_IQeF7jvbYFUsing grand jury testimony, Ganim traces how the incident was described in progressively watered down terms at each new step on the chain of command: • McQueary: Anal rape. • Paterno: Something of a sexual nature. • Vice President Gary Schultz (head of campus police): Inappropriately grabbing of the young boy's genitals. • Athletic Director Tim Curley: Inappropriate conduct or horsing around. • PSU President Graham Spanier: Conduct that made someone uncomfortable. • Second Mile President Jack Raykovitz: A ban on bringing kids from Sandusky's charity to the locker room. Theres more to the article with much more information...but thats a chain of how it went north... sickening, all of it. I truly feel bad for McQueary and Paterno as they were just bludgeoned with a moral dilemma that they acted poorly upon. That seems to me where itd be like seeing a close relative doing that...its reprehensible, and just a dilemma at the root of it for everyone. It's sad and its gross and its terrible, and it just makes it seem like sport is just not important at this point in time. I wouldnt want anything to do with it at any point...and the situation, id want even less to do with it than that. I feel like anyone that says definitively what they would do in a situation like that is wrong...Not in the fact that would do it differently than it was done...but until you see something like that...you have NO idea whatsoever how youd act on it. Its a thing you cant prepare for, even thinking about how you would react, you cant prepare for something that shocking.
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I feel like anyone that says definitively what they would do in a situation like that is wrong...Not in the fact that would do it differently than it was done...but until you see something like that...you have NO idea whatsoever how youd act on it. Its a thing you cant prepare for, even thinking about how you would react, you cant prepare for something that shocking.
I agree with you, though I don't think anyone else will.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-mones/the-perfect-crime_b_1088470.html
On the surface, the Penn State scandal would seem to be another example of an institution of trust failing in its moral obligation to protect children. In fact, what the tragic web of human actions and inactions behind this outrage really shows us is that child sexual abuse is close to the perfect crime.
As the choruses of bloggers and essayists who have rushed to print in the last week have reminded us, perpetrators can rely on the majority of children to tell no one about their sexual abuse; most will carry the secret to their graves. Child molesters, especially trusted and respected adult authority figures like priests, coaches and teachers, gain control of their prey gradually rather than resorting to violent assault. They know how to target children with low self-esteem or poor parental support, and then spend weeks or months working their way into the child's life with gifts, praise, and outings. First physical touching, the stroke of a knee or a hug, becomes a normal part of the 'relationship', and when the more invasive forms of abuse begin, the child's fate is sealed.
The Penn State tragedy is also a powerful reminder that child molesters can also count on the inaction of adults -- and not just those in positions of authority. In my more than thirty years of representing child abuse victims, I have sadly seen that most people do exactly what the Pennsylvania Attorney General has accused two Penn State administrators of doing: either they avoid asking the difficult questions or they choose to look the other way. Countless times I have heard, 'I felt something was going on but I just didn't know what to do,' or 'it wasn't my place to say something.'
The scandal at Penn State also shows us that even when abuse is reported to civil authorities, the system cannot be relied upon for decisive action. According to the grand jury report in 1998, a mother reported to the University Police that Sandusky showered with her 11-year-old son. When confronted, Sandusky admitted he was wrong for showering and hugging the boy in the shower. The police told Sandusky not to shower with any child again, and took no further action. Case closed. Would a cop who catches a criminal trying to break into a bank tell him not to do it again and send him on his way?
Most Americans are outraged that Penn State turned a blind eye to a pattern of child sex crimes in its athletic program, and at the heart of their indignation is the righteous certainty that they themselves, along with their family, friends, neighbors and co-workers, would have handled things differently. They would have gone straight to the police. Immediate action would have been taken. But statistics suggest the exact opposite is true: in any one year, according to the National Center for Victims of Crime, about 90,000 cases of sexual abuse are reported, yet almost all experts agree that 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys are sexually abused. The fact that such vast numbers of child sex crimes go unreported paints a disturbing picture of mass denial and apathy. Every day, all over America, people are choosing to look the other way when confronted with something suspicious between an adult and a child. When are we going to recognize this and begin to take responsibility?
While the national dialogue has rightly zeroed in on the alleged rape of a 10-year-old boy in a Penn State shower room, it is the stories of the other 7 victims which raise the more complex and disturbing questions about our collective responsibility. The grand jury report shows that from 1994 through 2008, Sandusky surrounded himself with young boys, not only inviting them to sleep at his house on numerous occasions (where several of them were allegedly molested), but purchasing most of them expensive gifts like golf clubs, a computer, dress clothes, a snow board and hockey equipment. At various times these young boys regularly accompanied him to Penn State football practices along with Philadelphia Eagles and college bowl games, and also to restaurants, family picnics, golf outings, tailgate parties, and even church. During all these years, is it really possible that absolutely no one in Sandusky's life -- which I am sure is filled with decent people -- had any inkling that Sandusky was up to something with all these young boys? With all these victims (and I believe more will come forward), no one in 14 years observed anything that made them the least bit uncomfortable? Really?
If it is true that not one of what must have been scores of people saw any red flags in Sandusky's dealings with children, then the sexual abuse crisis is dramatically worse even than I thought. Have we failed to learn anything from the sexual abuse scandals that have swept our country over the last decade? Has it not been made clear that individuals and institutions are universally too slow to act? How much more education do we need about such an obvious public health crisis? I thought we had finally gotten past the tragically mistaken idea that child sexual abuse is a crime committed only by slovenly strangers in filthy raincoats -- never by our respected friends and co-workers. It seems the Sandusky case may prove me wrong.
Paul Mones is a children's rights attorney who represents victims of sexual abuse throughout the nation. He lives in Portland, Oregon. (www.paulmones.com)
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It is....for the victims , having to go through that and having to go through it again, and For Sandusky as well. It makes you wonder how some people end up with warped personalities such as that. How does one end up with such a twisted sexual libido?? No doubt some twisting in the genetic code.
It wouldn't surprise me if Sandusky decides it best to just fall on the sword.
While I loath the actions, it's hard for me to say I hate people like that since my feeling is there is something pretty twisted in their brain.
Something isn't working right.
I agree with you that I have great sympathy for the victims and hope they get justice.. I also have some sympathy for the Sandusky family because they will have to live with what he did too... and yes I even have some sympathy for him, as twisted as he is...
However, I don't accept that this is something genetic...
How can you have sympathy for Sandusky? Even if he is a sick man that likes little boys he still knew right from wrong. He knew he would be ruining the lives of the victims he acted out on. He could have thought about his desires while knowing he could not act out on them because of the harm he would cause. I don't have any sympathy and feel that he should go to prison for sex offenders. Let the prisoners know he violated children and he will get his justice.
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All Christians should, according to principles of their faith, have sympathy and forgiveness for Jerry Sandusky.
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We should ..... if he repents ....... but, unfortunately, I have trouble doing so in cases like this. That does not mean that he should escape legal punishment though.
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Am I the only person that felt super uncomfortable during the Interview with the one victims mother?
I wouldn't have done that interview, if I was the parent, or the news broadcaster...
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That does not mean that he should escape legal punishment though.
Of course not.
Personally, as sick as it is, I feel a little better when I think of the fact that Sandusky will soon learn what being a victim of rape is all about.
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I would argue the principles of the faith dictate that you have sympathy and forgiveness even if he doesn't repent.
I believe you would argue wrongly. Forgiveness is there for those that TRULY repent and ask forgiveness. No more, no less. Ask forgiveness, repent, and change your ways - you're all set.
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It's good to see her face this thing head-on though. A lot of parents of kids who have this happen to them (and not done by the parents themselves) try and just ignore it and think it will go away. That's the worst thing you can possibly do.
There were two very good interviews I heard this week, one was Heath Evans who was with Jim Rome, he has a foundation where he funds counseling care for kids who are sexually abused.
The other is with Theo Fleury, who was abused by his youth coach. If you don't know who he is, he's a guy who was a pretty good hockey player in the NHL, but known for all sorts of different problems. It was revealed later that his coach had done those things. He has offered to sit and talk with any of these victims from the case.
I highly reccomend hearing both interviews.
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We should ..... if he repents ....... but, unfortunately, I have trouble doing so in cases like this. That does not mean that he should escape legal punishment though.
Sympathy and forgiveness are two different things. I have sympathy for a lot of people who do wrong and evil things, sympathy for whatever it was in their past or in their brain that led them to do such things... Forgiveness requires them to repent... and really, I have no reason to forgive him, that would be up to the victims.
And everybody has trouble doing it, because we are human.
As for the law, I can have sympathy for somebody on a personal level and still hope he gets punished to the full extent of the law, that doesn't have anything to do with sympathy OR forgiveness.
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One of the few people on ESPN First Take I actually listen to talk is Jon Ritchie...
He was recruited to PSU by Jerry Sandusky...
ESPN Video: Jon Ritchie, who was recruited by Jerry Sandusky, reacts to Penn State scandal.
After reading the grand jury report, I think in the end this thing probably boils down to those who did nothing because they were duped, those who did nothing because they were in denial, and those who actively engaged in some form of whitewashing it.
Curley and Schultz look terrible in the grand jury report. They look like they lied to cover their backsides.
Paterno ... I have no idea what the guy knew. I don't think he's going to come away from this untarnished, but maybe the guy never realized it was happening. Denial is a very powerful thing.
McQuery I defended initially in this thread. But after finding out he was 28 ... look, I can honestly understand just fleeing. I know people will think that's terrible, but you just saw one of your superiors, who is regarded as a saint in the community, having sex with a ten year old. That's a lot to process. But sooner or later ... at 28 years old you have a strong enough sense of right and wrong and your place in the world. If he did, in fact, spill everything to Joe Pa, and then see Joe Pa shrug it off ... man, if that was me, I'd lose faith in the world. I'd probably get really depressed.
Look, there is no way in hell that word wasn't around town on this. Reading the grand jury report, the guy had been investigated and banned from the local high school. People knew. They collectively ignored it. Some probably to keep Happy Valley happy, others because they didn't want to or couldn't believe it. Either way, it's kind of twisted, and I bet it gets worse.
They shouldn't have fired Paterno over the phone. They should've sat him down and said 'quit or your fired'. The guy's done enough to warrant the ultimatum face-to-face.
Seriously ... how the hell are they going to play football on Saturday? And if you're an incoming freshman, how hard are you thinking about transferring? If you're being recruited, how interested would you be in playing for Penn State?
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Penn State suffered its first decommitment since the firing of coach Joe Paterno when ESPNU 150 offensive tackle Joey O'Connor of Windsor, Colo., backed away from his pledge Thursday evening.
O'Connor, a four-star recruit that was the top prospect in the Nittany Lions' class, called the Penn State staff to let it know it was no longer in his "best interest considering the scandal and uncertainty surrounding the program."
Joey O'Connor decommits from Penn St.
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I would argue the principles of the faith dictate that you have sympathy and forgiveness even if he doesn't repent.
One of my dearest lifelong friends is a Baptist Minister. He teaches to love the sinner, hate the sin.
He is so much a better man than I am.
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Well in my religion, there is a heaven and hell. I can't say where I'll end up one day, but I'd be hard pressed to find any reason why Jerry Sandusky (if found guilty) won't be in hell. And if he's guilty, that's exactly where he should end up.
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I found an article that details how the explanation of the 2002 even went north up the chain.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday;_ylt=AhzZreIqWdoQLvSpu_IQeF7jvbYF
Using grand jury testimony, Ganim traces how the incident was described in progressively watered down terms at each new step on the chain of command:
• McQueary: Anal rape.
• Paterno: Something of a sexual nature.
• Vice President Gary Schultz (head of campus police): Inappropriately grabbing of the young boy's genitals.
• Athletic Director Tim Curley: Inappropriate conduct or horsing around.
• PSU President Graham Spanier: Conduct that made someone uncomfortable.
• Second Mile President Jack Raykovitz: A ban on bringing kids from Sandusky's charity to the locker room.
Theres more to the article with much more information...but thats a chain of how it went north...
sickening, all of it.
I truly feel bad for McQueary and Paterno as they were just bludgeoned with a moral dilemma that they acted poorly upon. That seems to me where itd be like seeing a close relative doing that...its reprehensible, and just a dilemma at the root of it for everyone.
It's sad and its gross and its terrible, and it just makes it seem like sport is just not important at this point in time. I wouldnt want anything to do with it at any point...and the situation, id want even less to do with it than that.
I feel like anyone that says definitively what they would do in a situation like that is wrong...Not in the fact that would do it differently than it was done...but until you see something like that...you have NO idea whatsoever how youd act on it. Its a thing you cant prepare for, even thinking about how you would react, you cant prepare for something that shocking.
Well said...I agree.
Earlier I said sometimes people pass things along in the hope it just goes away....and lets be honest, we've all done that.
It's one thing to say we would do this or that, it's another if you are actually thrust in to a situation that would seem surreal.
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I don't get the big hub-bub here. The Catholic church has been doing this for far longer, with far more involvement by top authority. They actually spend time, effort, and energy assisting these animals get away with it, and set them up to do it again.
Bring that up and you get laughed out of town.
I just figured most fine, upstanding citizens were OK with this kind of behavior. Or maybe it's OK for priests but not football coaches? Help me, I am confused.
Me, personally, I'd snap their necks and watch them die.
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Well in my religion, there is a heaven and hell. I can't say where I'll end up one day, but I'd be hard pressed to find any reason why Jerry Sandusky (if found guilty) won't be in hell. And if he's guilty, that's exactly where he should end up.
I don't know where he should end up....I hope he ends up in Heaven.....I believe in redemption.
"Forgive us of our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us"
The way I read that is if we aren't forgiving of others, God isn't going to be forgiving of us.
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You know .... I am thinking about this whole situation, and I have to wonder if Penn State Football could face an NCAA Death Penalty? If this involves boosters as well as the assistant coach, plus if institutional negligence is proved, there could be an outcry for such a move.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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You know .... I am thinking about this whole situation, and I have to wonder if Penn State Football could face an NCAA Death Penalty? If this involves boosters as well as the assistant coach, plus if institutional negligence is proved, there could be an outcry for such a move.
not sure the NCAA has jurisdiction to do so. they'll have a 'death penalty' of sorts from the dearth of recruits the next few years though.
but, depending on what comes out and how Penn State reacts to them, it is possible for the Big10 to disassociate themselves from PSU.
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I found an article that details how the explanation of the 2002 even went north up the chain.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday;_ylt=AhzZreIqWdoQLvSpu_IQeF7jvbYF
Using grand jury testimony, Ganim traces how the incident was described in progressively watered down terms at each new step on the chain of command:
• McQueary: Anal rape.
• Paterno: Something of a sexual nature.
• Vice President Gary Schultz (head of campus police): Inappropriately grabbing of the young boy's genitals.
• Athletic Director Tim Curley: Inappropriate conduct or horsing around.
• PSU President Graham Spanier: Conduct that made someone uncomfortable.
• Second Mile President Jack Raykovitz: A ban on bringing kids from Sandusky's charity to the locker room.
Theres more to the article with much more information...but thats a chain of how it went north...
sickening, all of it.
I truly feel bad for McQueary and Paterno as they were just bludgeoned with a moral dilemma that they acted poorly upon. That seems to me where itd be like seeing a close relative doing that...its reprehensible, and just a dilemma at the root of it for everyone.
It's sad and its gross and its terrible, and it just makes it seem like sport is just not important at this point in time. I wouldnt want anything to do with it at any point...and the situation, id want even less to do with it than that.
I feel like anyone that says definitively what they would do in a situation like that is wrong...Not in the fact that would do it differently than it was done...but until you see something like that...you have NO idea whatsoever how youd act on it. Its a thing you cant prepare for, even thinking about how you would react, you cant prepare for something that shocking.
Well said...I agree.
Earlier I said sometimes people pass things along in the hope it just goes away....and lets be honest, we've all done that.
It's one thing to say we would do this or that, it's another if you are actually thrust in to a situation that would seem surreal.
While that may be true regarding lesser situations, It doesn't hold water in regards to the magnitude of what happened here.
There is very little wiggle room for right and wrong in this situation. From what we know so far, a lot of people did the wrong thing and any excuse for what they appear to have done is feeble.
And for the quote above your's about having NO idea what we would all do in that situation, and your agreement. Bull crap. If you ( and I don't mean you personally, Peen) don't know what you would have done faced with this particular situation, you better take a real good look inside, in my opinion. I find far too many people using that line of thought. That is a sad commentary.
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I believe you would argue wrongly. Forgiveness is there for those that TRULY repent and ask forgiveness. No more, no less. Ask forgiveness, repent, and change your ways - you're all set.
In the eyes of the Lord,,, yeah.. in the eyes of the law.. maybe after serving 20 years....
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I don't understand how anyone feels bad for JoPa or McQuery.... or really any of the adults that had ANY knowledge that this was happening... especially McQuery I'm just sickened when I think that he SAW a child being raped and ran home to daddy... just sickening in my opinion that they did nothing...
I feel sorry for the victims...
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I don't understand how anyone feels bad for JoPa or McQuery.... or really any of the adults that had ANY knowledge that this was happening... especially McQuery I'm just sickened when I think that he SAW a child being raped and ran home to daddy... just sickening in my opinion that they did nothing...
I feel sorry for the victims...
Jay, that's an important thing that has kinda been overlooked.
Why didn't McCreary step in and tell Sandusky to knock it off and pull him off the kid.. (and beat the hell out of him)
And the other thing that ticks me off,, McCreary told his boss,, he's safe,, Joe Pa told his boss, and he's fired.
double standard all the way.
This isn't excusing anyone.. but damn it, if you are going to apply punishment, apply it evenly
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ESPN Radio has been talking all week about how Penn State likely kept McQuery on because they were afraid of a lawsuit from firing the "whistle blower"
Not saying it's right, but there's your explanation as to why Joe Paterno was fired and McQuery was not.
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Who gets fired at Penn State and when is really way down on my list of concerns with this situation.
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And for the quote above your's about having NO idea what we would all do in that situation, and your agreement. Bull crap. If you ( and I don't mean you personally, Peen) don't know what you would have done faced with this particular situation, you better take a real good look inside, in my opinion. I find far too many people using that line of thought. That is a sad commentary.
I posted an article earlier from a child's rights lawyer, who I think brings up a valid point:
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Most Americans are outraged that Penn State turned a blind eye to a pattern of child sex crimes in its athletic program, and at the heart of their indignation is the righteous certainty that they themselves, along with their family, friends, neighbors and co-workers, would have handled things differently. They would have gone straight to the police. Immediate action would have been taken. But statistics suggest the exact opposite is true: in any one year, according to the National Center for Victims of Crime, about 90,000 cases of sexual abuse are reported, yet almost all experts agree that 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys are sexually abused. The fact that such vast numbers of child sex crimes go unreported paints a disturbing picture of mass denial and apathy. Every day, all over America, people are choosing to look the other way when confronted with something suspicious between an adult and a child. When are we going to recognize this and begin to take responsibility?
Everyone and their mother is saying that they would've immediately pulled Sandusky off of the kid in the shower and sounded the alarms, but statistically, that's not what's happening in the world.
It it had been me instead of McQuery, I probably would have fled the scene. I believe that I would have done more than he did in the aftermath, but in that initial moment, I probably would've been overwhelmed and needed time to process that. Would I be in the wrong? Yeah. But when I think about it honestly, that's what I think I would've done initially.
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Especially when you note that, it wasn't some random guy he saw in the shower, It was someone he's known for a long time, like Jon Ritchie, possibly a father-figure type...
The only question I have, is that McQuery passed it up to JoePa, who passed it up to the Higher Ups at PSU...
WHO THEN LET SANDUSKY CONTINUE TO BE ON CAMPUS?!?
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I agree Daman... I get furious anytime I think of Sandusky but I get equally furious at McQuery for doing NOTHING when he witnessed a child being raped...
he has been put on administrative leave but I personally think he should have been fired ASAP.
I heard some of the talking heads suggesting that he hasn't been fired because he is a witness and needs to testify against Sandusky.... but I am praying they build a strong enough case that they can prosectue McQuerry for doing NOTHING while a child was being raped... just unbelievable to me.
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I can not say with 100% certainty what I would do if I was in that situation because I never have been... but I pray that I would have the humanity to at least scream for help... I work with children and have seen kids after they have been beaten, raped, and sodomized... anyone who does this to a child is just awful, but I don't think I could live with myself if I just stood by and did nothing to attempt to stop it... I don't know if I'd be able to stop Sandusky but I sure as hell could have pulled a fire alarm which probably would have stopped it really quickly and gotten the authorities to campus almost as quickly.
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Well, anytime I see stats thrown around, especially to that extreme, I don't just take it at anyone's word. I have no idea how they determined the 1 in 4 and 1 in 6 stats, that sounds ridiculously high. That said, just because the majority of people might be acting similarly, doesn't make it any less sickening. There are also a lot of people who would have gone right at this guy to help that kid. No doubt in my mind about that.
Again,my concern in all of this is how it was handled, and not just by the guy who witnessed the incident. It is troubling how everyone seems more concerned about their own well being and not wanting to compromise their own comfort level than they are about helping a defenseless child. Although a physical confrontation would have been best at the moment so you could remove the child right then and there, the very least you do is leave and immediately call the cops.
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I might not have been able to physically stop him, but I'd have thrown every chair, helmet, and large item I could get my hands on at that guy. I'd have kept him busy enough so the kid could at least get away. Fire alarms would definitely have been pulled. A well timed kick to the crotch would also have been in order.....
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A question for you guys who seem so understanding of him just running off and those of you who say you might have done the same thing.
Do you feel you would do the same thing if you saw a woman getting raped on the street or you walked in on this guy raping a little girl? Just curious. And if somebody told you about it and they knew who had done it, would you just go tell your boss about it and go on your merry way?
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