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The offense Denver is running simply cannot comeback from a large deficit. We saw that against Detroit. If it gets down by more than say, ten or fourteen points, the game is effectively over, and it is likely to become a blowout.

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I feel the same way about the Browns' offense!

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He's so polarizing that there's hardly any middle ground with the guy.

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Hard to argue with that.. But in the end,, what matters? Wins do. And when you boil it all down, the team wins with him in there.. you can chalk it up to anything you like... But they are winning. Isn't that the bottom line?

To tell you the truth, I'd take that here in Cleveland over what we've been seeing.....

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He's so polarizing that there's hardly any middle ground with the guy.

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Hard to argue with that.. But in the end,, what matters? Wins do. And when you boil it all down, the team wins with him in there.. you can chalk it up to anything you like... But they are winning. Isn't that the bottom line?

To tell you the truth, I'd take that here in Cleveland over what we've been seeing.....

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Please. If Browns fans hate McCoy, they'd ride Tebow out of town on a rail. The guy won a game completing 2 passes. Do you think that would fly against the Ravens or the Steelers or the Bengals? With this crowd?

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But they are winning. Isn't that the bottom line?

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No, because this debate is SO MUCH BIGGER than just a W.

Vince Young was just a winner.

Colt McCoy was just a winner.

Teams that score a defensive TD win 87% of the time.

The Donks have played a cupcake schedule in a cupcake division.

The Donks have had to adapt an offense to fit a guy who offers up footballs that wobble more than a drunk on a three-day bender.

This big picture is so much bigger than just the W. All the factors have played a substantial role in the team wins.

Again, that's not to take away from what he did, because as a passer, he had his best game yesterday. Still, to see McGahee run through holes where I could get 4 yards per carry (he's averaging 5) and to see the windows Tebow is throwing into while defenses adapt to what they are doing, this is a perfect storm for the Donks. The waters are further muddied because as McGahee himself has stated in to a microphone in front of a camera, Tebow is getting the credit while the team is doing the work. He should get credit for what he's done, but he's getting a disproportionate amount of the credit.

No, D, it's SO much bigger than just the W.

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The waters are further muddied because as McGahee himself has stated in to a microphone in front of a camera, Tebow is getting the credit while the team is doing the work. He should get credit for what he's done, but he's getting a disproportionate amount of the credit.

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Horsefeathers.

All the headlines read how Tebow brought the Donks back in spite of completing like 3 passes in two games (hyperbole, yes ). It's all over the net. Hell, it's even filled in these forums.

Tebow is getting the headlines AND the credit, and when his own teammates are grumbling, well, where there's smoke, there's fire.

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And if we brought in Jim Perjimison off somebodys practice squad and put him in at QB and went 3-1 in our final 4 games,

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Dude, STHU. Jim Perjimison is TWICE the QB McCoy could ever hope to be! He has Shurmur giving him plays in one side of his helmet, and Jesus HIMSELF is giving him defensive reads in the other. Don't you DARE disparage him like that!

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Jim Perjimison is TWICE the QB McCoy could ever hope to be!

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People who are concentrating on the Broncos defense and McGahee running the ball for the success of the Broncos are making me laugh.

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Why does the idea of a team thats running the ball well, and playing out of its mind defense, making the job easier for a Rookie QB, make you laugh?

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I understand that, but people that complain about people giving CREDIT to the D and Willis then go and do the opposite by basically saying it's all Tebow...

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People who are concentrating on the Broncos defense and McGahee running the ball for the success of the Broncos are making me laugh.

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Why does the idea of a team thats running the ball well, and playing out of its mind defense, making the job easier for a Rookie QB, make you laugh?

Rolthlisberger in 04, Sanchez the last two years, It's the same basic theory...

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A single player can't win a game by himself.

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After todays game, no.

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After todays game, no.

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Are you Sure?

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After todays game, no.

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Are you Sure?

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After todays game, no.

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After todays game, no.

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Ahhhh....foot in mouth disease??



Ahhhhh....Broncos win.

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Are you serious? Or are you trolling?

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Trolling?? Now you want to call me a troll?? LOL


I will admit it's been fun to watch your disdain for Tebow turn in to near stroke each week.....lol.



Now it's about how the Pats won't be as forgiving.



If the Broncos lose, that will be your I told you so moment.



Get over it and admit it. Tebow and his teams win.



It would be nice if Coltmeister and ours did.

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Ewww.....Grateful....dude....that had a decidedly creepy sound to it, like a David Koresh feel to it. *shudder*

I'm a spiritual person who believes something set the wheels of the Universe in motion, and don't believe the views of most organized religions, but that made me wanna come to your house and try and lightning-bolt-proof your roof for ya.

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Sorry Toad, I got it from here.......

Tim Tebow’s Gospel of Optimism
By FRANK BRUNI
Published: December 10, 2011

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CAN God take credit for the victories of a thick-set N.F.L. quarterback who scrambles in a weirdly jittery fashion, throws one of the ugliest balls in the game, completes fewer than half of his passes and has somehow won six of his team’s last seven games?
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That’s a question that actually hovers over the miraculous success of the Denver Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow, and at this blessed juncture it’s a silly one, because the answer is unequivocal: Yes. Tebow is powered by conviction and operating on faith, and so are the teammates he’s leading. And you needn’t be an evangelical Christian (as he is), a seriously religious person or even a football fan to be transfixed and enlightened by his example. I speak as a football fan only when I say the following, which I never expected to: The mile-high messiah has a gospel for us all.

You’re most likely familiar with his story, but just in case: the Broncos were 1-4 when the coaches benched the first-string quarterback and started Tebow, and there was a sense that they did so because they’d lost hope for the season and figured that they might as well silence his pesky, persistent advocates by letting him try and watching him fail. Although he had been a superstar at the University of Florida, his physique and style of play weren’t supposed to translate to the pros. That, at least, was the conventional wisdom. And as a lifelong Broncos loyalist with a knot in my stomach, I shared it.

Tebow won his first game, despite a 15-point deficit with three minutes to go. He won all but one of the next six, often in squeaker finishes involving late comebacks. The Broncos are now 7-5 and have a good shot at the playoffs, especially if they knock off the Chicago Bears this weekend. They’re favored to do precisely that, partly because the Bears’ starting quarterback, Jay Cutler, is out with a bum thumb. During a conference call with reporters last week, Tebow was actually asked by a Chicago scribe to pray for the woebegone digit.

Which brings us back to religion. With Tebow there’s no getting away from it. He uses the microphones thrust in front of him to mention his personal savior, Jesus Christ, and has said that heaven is reserved for devout Christians. He genuflects so publicly and frequently that to drop to one knee in the precise way he does has been given its own word, along with its own Web site, where you can see photographs of people Tebowing inside St. Peter’s, in front of the Taj Mahal, on sand, on ice and even underwater.

That zeal doesn’t go over so well with many football enthusiasts, me included. Tebow performs a sort of self-righteous bait-and-switch — you come for scrimmages and he subjects you to scriptures — and the displeasure with that is also writ colorfully on the Web, in Tebow-ridiculing Twitter feeds and Facebook pages, one devoted entirely to snapshots through time of Tebow in tears. An emotional man, he has traveled a weepy path to this point.

But the intensity of the derision strikes me as unwarranted, in that it outdoes anything directed at, say, the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, accused repeatedly of sexual assault, or other players actually convicted of burglary, gun possession and other crimes. In a league full of blithe felons, Tebow and his oppressive piety don’t seem like such horrendous affronts at all.

Besides which, to get lost in the nature of his Christianity is to miss the ecumenical, secular epiphanies in his — and the Broncos’ — extraordinary season. Their sudden turnaround isn’t just thrilling. It illustrates the limits of logic and the shortcomings of the most quickly made measurements and widely cited metrics.

In sports as in politics, business and so much else, we like to think that we’ve broken down the components of achievement and that, looking at those components, we can predict who (and what) will prevail. But if any football analyst at the start of this season had said that a quarterback averaging under 140 yards of passing a game — that’s Tebow’s sorry statistic — would have a 6-1 record as a starter and be considered the linchpin of his team, few people would have bought it.

BUT Tebow tends to have his worst 45 minutes of play when it matters least and his best 15 when it matters most. And while he makes many mistakes, their cost is seldom exorbitant. These aren’t so much skills as tendencies — inclinations — that prove to be every bit as consequential as the stuff of rankings and record books. He reminds us that strength comes in many forms and some people have what can be described only as a gift for winning, which isn’t synonymous with any spreadsheet inventory of what it supposedly takes to win.

This gift usually involves hope, confidence and a special composure, all of which keep a person in the game long enough, with enough energy and stability, so that a fickle entity known as luck might break his or her way. For Tebow that state of mind comes from his particular relationship with his chosen God and is a matter of religion. For someone else it might be understood and experienced as the power of positive thinking, and is a matter of psychology. Either way it boils down to stubborn optimism and bequeaths a spark. A swagger. An edge.

It’s easy to be pessimistic about optimism. When peddled generically by unctuous politicians, it can seem the ultimate opiate, a cop-out and fallback when there’s nothing more substantive to sustain you. But optimism can have an impact. It’s what radiates from Tebow and fires up the Broncos. And therein lies a lesson about leadership with a resonance beyond football.

After Tebow took over, the Broncos didn’t add a whole, half or even quarter roster of better players. But he told his teammates, “Believe in me.” And he must have done so with a persuasive charisma. They clearly have a renewed belief in themselves — and are performing better than before.

The Broncos are the talk of the league. More and more people are watching. And you could indeed say they’re tuning in to find out how far God can take a team. Because that’s just another way of saying how far grit can.

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It would be nice if Coltmeister and ours did.

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really nice..