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After watching that debacle at the end of today's game (the Rams game), where Shurmur played for a FG from inside the 10 yard line with over 2 minutes left in the game and where the FG would have only given us a 2 point lead, I think it is finally time to make the call and fire Shurmur. His playcalling has been terrible all season and even with some decent calls early in this game, he blew it on 2 of our approaches to the redzone. The idea of a HC/OC rolled into one was bad from the start, but it is apparent that this guy is in way over his head on both accounts. Fire him now.
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Colt just said he does not have the option to audible.. cmon now.. I know he was like what the heck when Shurmur called a run w/ Smith.
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Colt just said he does not have the option to audible.. cmon now.. I know he was like what the heck when Shurmur called a run w/ Smith.
Just what we'd been talking about Turk! Let the kid play!!!!!
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Shurmur needs to hire a play caller/offensive coordinator this offseason.
I am tired of firing coaches all the time. We need to let him grow into the job, but he needs help so that he can coach the team ..... not just call plays.
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LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Colt needs to have some options as the starter. Like the playcalling is that wonderful and we are getting pounded in the box. Just no adjustments I see. Colt has to be able to have some leeway. The call going in at the end with the dive was really tame. 
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With the exception of mangini, all of our coaches have gotten ample time to prove they were competent. If you know a guy isn't capable of doing the job, giving him more time isn't going to make him a better coach. I would give him another year at the most, but what I've seen, it doesn't appear this guy has a clue.
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I don't want to see Schurmur fired. today. Or at all really.
but today really really really stinks!
And He deserves all of the blame for the loss today. at least 96% of it.
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1% the missed fg
1% the fumble by cribbs, or Alex smith take your pick
1% the Colt can't get a TD in the third quarter, after the Rams fumble, on the next 2 drives
1% the special teams with 2, 80 yard punts by the rams, and one of them a punt for only 35 yds by the Browns right afterward. (late in the 2nd quarter)
and 96% Schurmur putting all his eggs in one basket, playing for a field goal at the end of the game.
Dropping the basket, breaking all the eggs, not even giving the team the opportunity to score a touchdown with the pass.
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Look, all this complaining about play calling really breaks down to one thing ...... Shurmur does not trust McCoy.
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Look, all this complaining about play calling really breaks down to one thing ...... Shurmur does not trust McCoy.
So Colt is still gonna have a job while he doesn't then...
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Look, all this complaining about play calling really breaks down to one thing ...... Shurmur does not trust McCoy.
Let the kid play! Im not sure we can trust what Shurmer does or does not trust at this point!
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When it comes down to 1st year Head Coach or 2nd year QB, the hand picked rookie Head Coach is gonna win.
We'll have at least 1 new QB here next year IMHO.
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When it comes down to 1st year Head Coach or 2nd year QB, the hand picked rookie Head Coach is gonna win.
We'll have at least 1 new QB here next year IMHO.
The scary thing is while he is a rook head coach, he's not a rook play caller and it's the play calling that's being called into question.
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But it's not just the play calling.
McCoy has been unable to make certain throws this year .... throws that an NFL QB has to make. I have long said that any NFL QB could make the throws that McCoy makes most often. He struggles with the throws that set elite NFL QBs apart from the backups and also rans. I am certain that Shurmur sees this, and maybe he just refuses to force McCoy to do things that he cannot do?
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I thought other than at the end he called a better game this week.
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We were in McCoy's range of the endzone and we ran a TE.
It just doesn't get a whole lot more inept than that.
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But it's not just the play calling.
McCoy has been unable to make certain throws this year .... throws that an NFL QB has to make. I have long said that any NFL QB could make the throws that McCoy makes most often. He struggles with the throws that set elite NFL QBs apart from the backups and also rans. I am certain that Shurmur sees this, and maybe he just refuses to force McCoy to do things that he cannot do?
That can't be used to explain the play calling at the end inside the 10 yard line.
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I don't want to see Schurmur Fired . Period. I do want to spell out the biggest argument against Schurmur right now. The biggest argument against Schurmur is how many points this Browns team is scoring. The Rams, this lousy Rams team with no great defense held the Browns to 12 points today, I think 23, or at least 20 points is the NFL Average. the Dolphins held the Browns to 17 I think. the lousy Dolphins. the Lousy Bengals and 1st game Qb, Andy Dalton, who got injured, and their defense always stinks, held the Browns to ? points. Every game, lousy teams, win or lose are holding the Browns to low point totals. They won 1 game 6-3. I think this is the biggest argument against keeping Schurmur, and I really like Schurmur... ( Cept for today) Schurmurs' Browns equal LOW POINT TOTALS PERIOD! No disputing that. That's his biggest problem . I Got BANNED for a week from this board in 06 when Crennel went for the field goal. DON'T PLAY FOR THE FIELD GOAL YOU STUPID COACH, ANY COACH, PICK ANY BROWNS COACH, THEY ALL DO IT. It's stupid ! 
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McCoy has fumbled the ball a lot this year. He sucks at pocket awareness. Having him try to hang in the pocket was probably seen as an unnecessary risk by Shurmur.
I'm not saying that I necessarily agree, but I am just offering a potential explanation.
It doesn't say much for the QB when the Head Coach puts more faith in the 4th string RB and the 3rd string TE than in the starting QB.
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I think it's an absolute shame that Mike Holmgren fired a coach who had this team on the up and up and brought in a guy who makes Romeo Crennel look like Bill Belichick.
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The Browns Fans should be allowed to have a plaque in Cleveland Browns Stadium, right outside of the Coaches office, and on the plaque should be at least 2 things.
1. Don't use the prevent defense.
2. Don't play for the field goal.
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Shumer did not fumble a punt run back or botch a snap on a FG attempt
that the game right there...........
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I think it's an absolute shame that Mike Holmgren fired a coach who had this team on the up and up and brought in a guy who makes Romeo Crennel look like Bill Belichick.
I'm so sick of hearing this.
The only thing "Coach" had on the up and up was the number of times he used "process" in his pressers.
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Shurmur needs to hire a play caller/offensive coordinator this offseason.
I am tired of firing coaches all the time. We need to let him grow into the job, but he needs help so that he can coach the team ..... not just call plays.
Correct me if I'm wrong (as if I need to tell you that) But didn't holmgren say they woould probably hire an OC next season? I thought for sure I heard him make mention of that.
I also remember him saying that the guy they wanted wasn't available so rather than go with thier second or third choice, they stuck with Shurmur doing the playcalling.
It's been a while so I could very well have some of the details wrong.
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You don't need to hang in the pocket when you are on the 7 yard line.
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In the redzone. colt rolls right throws the ball, it is underthrown and nearly picked.
In the redzone Colt throws the fade into the corner, the pass is underthrown and nearly picked.
Giving the ball to Alex smith was a dumb dumb and I mean really dumb move but I cant fault him for running the football. Our Defense was playing great and Colt nearly threw a couple picks in the redzone already. I hate the playing it safe stuff, but I understand it when the earlier throws were really bad.
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He did say that they would hire an OC ..... but that did not mean that Shurmur would not continue to call plays.
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I think it's an absolute shame that Mike Holmgren fired a coach who had this team on the up and up and brought in a guy who makes Romeo Crennel look like Bill Belichick.
I'm so sick of hearing this.
The only thing "Coach" had on the up and up was the number of times he used "process" in his pressers.
Coach Shurmur would not beat the Patriots or Saints and come within a Chansi Stuckey fumble away from beating the Jets with last year's roster.
Period.
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5 wins. Period.
Do you remember that?
Do you remember opening losses to TB and KC?
Or is your memory only selective for your beloved "Coach"?
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We won't ever know if we fire him halfway through year one ... in case you forget ... through this point in his first year Mangini had 1 game that he didn't lose. I don't even know if I can call it a win because it looked so bad.
We aren't playing well at all. BUT at least our bad play comes from a lockout, rookies, and youth mistakes ... not washed up vets who provide no hope for the future AND no hope now.
I'd very much like to see what Shurmur can do to finish the year.
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5 wins. Period.
Do you remember that?
Do you remember opening losses to TB and KC?
Or is your memory only selective for your beloved "Coach"?
The AFC West champion Chiefs and 10-6 Bucs (in a division that featured the Falcons and Saints...both playoff teams)?
The fact that President Holmgren gave Coach and over the hill Jake Delhomme, a career backup and a rookie QB who is showing to be more Charlie Frye than Joe Montana at this juncture and says "go win now" against one of the toughest schedules in the NFL?
Let me ask you this: if the standard was set that 5 wins against a tough schedule isn't good enough for Mangini to keep his job, why the HELL should anything less than 5 wins be enough for Shurmur to keep his?
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In the redzone. colt rolls right throws the ball, it is underthrown and nearly picked.
In the redzone Colt throws the fade into the corner, the pass is underthrown and nearly picked.
Giving the ball to Alex smith was a dumb dumb and I mean really dumb move but I cant fault him for running the football. Our Defense was playing great and Colt nearly threw a couple picks in the redzone already. I hate the playing it safe stuff, but I understand it when the earlier throws were really bad.
This will be an opinion that people will not want to hear, or to be used to excuse Shurmur. Based on McCoy's track record this year, and more pointedly in this game, as it pertains to throws in the end-zone, I understand the logic.
Second, fire Shurmur? A ridiculously narrow-minded notion.
What I cannot understand is how Shurmur would decide that it'd be a brilliant time to give Alex Smith his first handoff. Ever. This one is unfathomable.....
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And Shurmur is a part of this discussion because?
What does Mangini's ineptitude have to do with Shurmur?
Mangini was a terrible coach. Shurmur may also prove to be a terrible coach. Completely independent thoughts and how one is treated over the other had nothing to do with what we were talking about.
Mangini is gone. When are you going to stop crying about it?
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And Shurmur is a part of this discussion because?
What does Mangini's ineptitude have to do with Shurmur?
Mangini was a terrible coach. Shurmur may also prove to be a terrible coach. Completely independent thoughts and how one is treated over the other had nothing to do with what we were talking about.
Mangini is gone. When are you going to stop crying about it?
What does Shurmur have to do with it? Last year this team was undertalented but it had an identity. We ran the football and had excellent special teams and were physical. We didn't win enough but you knew when you played the Browns.
At the very least I expected Shurmur to build off of that and add a passing game. Instead he's turned this team into a bunch of patsies.
When will I stop crying about it? When this football team plays in a manner that makes this city proud. Not this JOKE that we see right now.
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Mangini is gone. When are you going to stop crying about it?
OOhhh....Ohhh....I can answer that one......Never.
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Again let's try this so even a second grader can understand.
What does Mangini being a good or bad coach have to do with Shurmur?
Tell you what ...since you are having trouble I'll even give you the answer. Nothing.
Do you think you've got it now?
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I am so glad the browns front office did ZERO to improve this team during FA this season, what a fail.
Coach gets a pass from me since there is so little talent on the team.
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We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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What does Mangini being a good or bad coach have to do with Shurmur?
Tell you what ...since you are having trouble I'll even give you the answer. Nothing.
Do you think you've got it now?
It has to do that the bar was set and my expectations are progression, not regression, if Shurmur is supposed to be such a better coach.
We have regressed. That is unacceptable to me and unacceptable to anyone else who listened to President Holmgren say "I want to win now" back in January.
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No, you're trying to deflect that Mangini is a crappy coach by bringing Shurmur into it.
Whatever ...it's useless talking about this.
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