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Maybe Shurmur found out that his seat was getting a little too warm.
anarch...the only hot seat Shurmur might be on, is Holmgren's.
I would not be surprised if Shurmur and Holmgren had some quality time together after last weeks game....more like a teacher/pupil type of relationship.
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About as idiotic as saying a QB throwing directly to a defender is the WRs fault...
Yup,, but who said that?
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This is the problem with fandom. Too much second guessing and suppositions.
You mean like after 2 games, you coming back here after a long absence to grace us with your wisdom that McCoy will never be THE guy? 
At that point, you lost me.. how after 2 games in a new system with young players, no OTAs, no Mini camps, new offensive system and a rookie HC,, you can honestly be straight faced when you tell us you think he's not THE guy
yes, fandom is fickle,, and sometimes, it's downright idiotic
Are you still on that idiotic train of thought? That I was swearing up and down that McCoy would never make it?
I never knew straddling the fence on every single subject gave someone the right to paint everyone else the color of absolutes......
Dude,, you are the one that came back here (which I liked by the way) and said that "after two weeks" the conclusion was that McCoy wasn't the guy (I'm paraphrasing but that's the idea)
So please, don't come at me with the "are you still on that idiotic thought"
As for painting things in the absolute.. I can't or will not buy into anyone outside of the organization knowing if Colt is the guy or not this early in the process.
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Daman's typical post:
"You said something negative and are therefore stupid. "
That's just not true... I don't believe it when someone/anyone comes here and says that it's ABSOLUTELY true that this guy or that guy isn't cutting it when it's this early in the process of switching a myriad of things around..
I find it impossible to judge this early.. at least for those outside the organization.
So yeah, I say so.. Just like it's someone elses opinion that Colt isn't the guy, I reserve the right to say that I think they are wrong.
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How do you feel now after watching McCoy throw that terrible INT at the goal-line?
This is the problem with fandom. Too much second guessing and suppositions. McCoy goes out there and makes an idiotic throw (his only really stOOpid throw of the game) which could have been the critical turnover of the game.
In that one single play, that spelled-out EXACTLY why Shurmur shouldn't recklessly trust a young QB in those situations. Shurmur played the odds and the snapper, who has been one of the best in the league for the last several years, didn't execute. Yet it's fans like you who call for his head.
80% of all that hot air went right out of the "fire Shurmur now!" balloon on that one little INT. Good, if for no other reason than to teach people a lesson on how knee-jerk reactions are stOOpid.
Toad, get over yourself. Using that one bad pass as an example of why things are justified is about as dumb as the "See Colt proved everybody wrong" threads when he had one mediocre game earlier in the year.
Why do you keep using phrases like "recklessly trust a young QB"? We ran 3 times off right guard.... Couldn't we run a roll out and given him an option? Tried some misdirection?
I was NEVER on the fire Shurmur thread though I was disappointed with our lack of creativity and our lack of playing calling to actually win games.
That one INT doesn't make me think Shurmur was right any more than the nice toss to Cribbs in the corner makes me think he was wrong. I thought he was wrong before and I still think he was wrong.
had Colt thrown that INT last week in the final couple of minutes, I wouldn't have been happy, but it would have been a young QB learning a lesson in an otherwise bad season.. and I would not have second guessed the play call. Just like I didn't this week when we really seemed to open up the play calling in the redzone... and one time it worked the other time it didn't.... Oh well.
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Not sure where I fall on your list, I thought he called a decent game last week, red zone plays excluded... this week I think might have been his best game yet.
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I still think we need to fire either Shurmur the HC or Shurmur the OC/Playcaller. And one decently called game does get anyone off the hook. Especially a coach who's excuse in the Texans game when Colt was getting murdered each down was "we had a hat for every guy". You know what, that is a fine excuse for a blown play or two, but when it was every other down, it is the coach's job to make adjustments so it doesn't continue all game.
And since Shurmur doesn't trust Colt so much like you keep saying, you still haven't answered why the very next time we went to the RZ after the INT, he had Colt throw (the TD to Cribbs)? Because if you were right (and you are not) then following the INT he should have even less trust and not let Colt throw. And threw twice in a row from the 3 when we only needed a FG to take the lead (hmm, where does that sound familiar).
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Go ask Sam Bradford what he thinks of our coach as a OC. Pat is doing what he can with what he has and learning "what he has" on the fly. I bet Sam would LOVE to have Shurmur back right now.
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The stats from this year to last for Bradford aren't all that dissimilar (except his line sucks and he is getting sacked much more often). He is averaging the EXACT same yrds/att, the difference is in Shurmur's dink and dunk system he had a much higher completion percentage.
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You might be right, mac, and that might explain the reason for the expanding the playbook and play selection. I have the inkling that if what you express is true that maybe Shurmur understood that the heat was getting turned up and why.
It'll be interesting to see whether in next week's game against Cincy that the playbook is opened even more.
Some have expressed the notion that Shurmur may not have confidence in McCoy's abilities. It might be that he was afraid of his own play-calling abilities.
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Let me start by saying I honestly think you're the kinda guy I'd find enjoyable to have a beer and watch a game with. 
Now, having said that, here's my HUGE problem with you:
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Dude, you've done absolutely nothing but put words in my mouth since day one on McCoy. I've been HEAVILY critical of the guy. He's small, he throws wobblers, he came out of a spread offense, he was showing iffy accuracy......all of it. My ACTUAL statement was that in order for him to make it, he MUST show elite accuracy and decision making if he would be able to overcome his lack of tools.
That's all I've ever said.
So yes, your constant harping that I'd already buried McCoy and have suddenly changed directions is flat out wrong. I was very close to giving up on him, but I hadn't reached that point yet.
The thing that REALLY confuses me about you is that it's not as though I have this long history of changing directions on players. I blasted Couch, not as a guy who had to improve, but as a guy whom I BURIED and wanted him off the roster. I blasted Frye, not as a guy who had to improve, but as a guy I stated was no good and shouldn't be around anymore. McCoy? No, I've never said that. You've ASSUMED I said it.
That's the problem.
You don't wanna believe it, but you're wrong. Dead wrong. Now I don't know where your disconnect is, but you need to figure it out.....
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Toad, get over yourself. Using that one bad pass as an example of why things are justified is about as dumb as the "See Colt proved everybody wrong" threads when he had one mediocre game earlier in the year.
Nope, far from it. That INT in the redzone is EXACTLY why Shurmur went conservative. It's unfortunate that McCoy threw the INT in the game, but it served as a great example of why head coaches go conservative, and why the pitchfork crowd lost a ton of leverage in their marches.
Now where do you fall on that list (which was your question) I have no idea. I didn't have you in mind when I was making my post. In some cases I have certain posters in mind, but there were SO many people bashing Shurmur for losing the game when all he did was play the odds that I didn't have any singular person in mind. I wanted to send a message that knee-jerk reactions are idiotic and wrong. Last week Shurmur was destroyed when all he did was play the odds. People killed him for being conservative. McCoy went aggressive this time in the redzone and McCoy threw the INT, the singular thing Shurmur was protecting against.
If I'm an ass for making people learn the lesson, so be it. I'm good with that. I've always viewed this as just a bunch of people sitting at a bar drinking beers and talking football. If I call you an ass here it's personal, but if I did it in context of sitting at a bar and grinning, you'd do no more than throw a piece of popcorn at me and chuckle.
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Again, answer the question I have posed to you 3 times "If Shurmur doesn't trust McCoy to throw in the RZ, then why AFTER the INT did he have McCoy throw 2 times from the 3 yard line when all we needed was a FG to take the lead"? That alone kills your Shurmur doesn't trust McCoy argument.
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I've already answered it. You just couldn't digest the complex thoughts I've laid out in other posts. 
Now pay attention this time..........
In last week's game McCoy threw two ill-advised passes into double-coverage in the endzone. Those were two very poor decisions, leading to a coach who didn't trust his QB at the end of the game.
This past week's game was different, as McCoy was more in control. Different week, different circumstances. It's unfortunate for you and your deflated argument that McCoy threw the INT.
End of story.
You can't change what happened. Shurmur went conservative because he didn't want McCoy to throw a pick. Next week comes and in the redzone Shurmur goes away from conservative and McCoy throws a pick. That showed what Shurmur was protecting against. It's over. I'm done.
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Let me start by saying I honestly think you're the kinda guy I'd find enjoyable to have a beer and watch a game with.
You've assessed the situation correctly,, I"m a HELLUVA guy Charming, witty, generous, caring and lest we forget, humble
Otherwise, there are two threads in particular that you make it clear that you believe Colt isn't the guy.. Further, you go on to say that he could be.,
I'm not going to take the time to go back over everything you've written, I"m just not that anal and I really don't care enough about it.
I'd rather just have a beer (or ten) and yell at you about it.. (and yeah, get yelled at back)
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I've already answered it. You just couldn't digest the complex thoughts I've laid out in other posts.
Now pay attention this time..........
In last week's game McCoy threw two ill-advised passes into double-coverage in the endzone. Those were two very poor decisions, leading to a coach who didn't trust his QB at the end of the game.
This past week's game was different, as McCoy was more in control. Different week, different circumstances. It's unfortunate for you and your deflated argument that McCoy threw the INT.
End of story.
You can't change what happened. Shurmur went conservative because he didn't want McCoy to throw a pick. Next week comes and in the redzone Shurmur goes away from conservative and McCoy throws a pick. That showed what Shurmur was protecting against. It's over. I'm done.
I don't agree with everything you say (or how you say it, for that matter) but I totally agree with this and Shurmur's handling of the end of the Rams game.
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Nope, far from it. That INT in the redzone is EXACTLY why Shurmur went conservative.
So between running the ball 6 times inside the 20 last Sunday in the final 2 minutes.. to this Sunday where we threw repeatedly in a game where any one score could have won us the game... Colt McCoy learned and grew SOOOOOO MUCH that Shurmur decided that now was the time to open it up? I think Shurmur even realized he was wrong last week.. that is why I think you saw things more wide open, I think that is whey we had drop backs and roll outs in the redzone... Hell if Shurmur was that worried about it, why take the 3 off the board and give McCoy a chance to score the TD to begin with?
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I wanted to send a message that knee-jerk reactions are idiotic and wrong.
I had 8 games to prove that Shurmur's offense looked all out of sorts and this play calling was awful... you have one INT and this proves you are right.... you are basing this on ONE PLAY. Cue the irony banner.
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No, you are an ass for thinking that we need you to "teach us"... that in itself makes you an ass. You can throw that popcorn at me now.
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Not a big Shurmur fan at this point .. Called a better game Sunday even if it was against the Jags... Hated his calling a draw paly on 3 and 15 near the end of the game ( playing for the Field goal again) ... Now I understand the call , just don't like it !
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So between running the ball 6 times inside the 20 last Sunday in the final 2 minutes.. to this Sunday where we threw repeatedly in a game where any one score could have won us the game... Colt McCoy learned and grew SOOOOOO MUCH that Shurmur decided that now was the time to open it up?
Different game. Different circumstances. McCoy had thrown two very poor passes into double-coverage last week. This week he was on his game. Coaches call plays by feel, not by predetermined plans.
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I had 8 games to prove that Shurmur's offense looked all out of sorts and this play calling was awful... you have one INT and this proves you are right.... you are basing this on ONE PLAY. Cue the irony banner.
You're talking about apples with Shurmur's offense. I'm talking about oranges with Shurmur's decision to play conservative on one series and some fans knee-jerk reactions to it. Cue the logic banner.
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No, you are an ass for thinking that we need you to "teach us"... that in itself makes you an ass. You can throw that popcorn at me now.
As noted, I don't mind being the object of scorn, as long as the message is sent. I can only deliver it. It's up to you to understand it.
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I'm going to say this again because it might add a little to the conversation and understanding the difference in the play of our offense.
Is there anyone on this board that believes Mike Holmgren was happy about the way the Browns game ended last week?
We saw mistakes and a clear lack of confidence by the Browns coaching staff that was evident to anyone watching last weeks game.
You think Holmgren noticed?
Shurmur refused to go for the throat and put the game away by throwing into the end zone. The Browns had 4 opportunities to score and Shurmur went conservative, running the ball against a goal line defense 3 straight times.
This talk of Shurmur not having enough confidence in McCoy to throw the ball??...I don't get where that is coming from because McCoy was having a good game up to that point...20-27 and no picks. The talk about McCoy throwing into double coverage...I don't buy it as a reason not to throw the ball in the red zone. In the coarse of every game, we see "all QBs" throw into double coverage...
Shurmur made a rookie HC mistake, playing "not to lose" rather than going for the throat. I have a feeling Shurmur and Holmgren had a talk about the way the Rams game ended and what we saw this week in the play calling was a direct result of that talk.
We may have seen our rookie HC grow up just a little yesterday.
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I still think we need to fire either Shurmur the HC or Shurmur the OC/Playcaller. And one decently called game does get anyone off the hook. Especially a coach who's excuse in the Texans game when Colt was getting murdered each down was "we had a hat for every guy". You know what, that is a fine excuse for a blown play or two, but when it was every other down, it is the coach's job to make adjustments so it doesn't continue all game.
And since Shurmur doesn't trust Colt so much like you keep saying, you still haven't answered why the very next time we went to the RZ after the INT, he had Colt throw (the TD to Cribbs)? Because if you were right (and you are not) then following the INT he should have even less trust and not let Colt throw. And threw twice in a row from the 3 when we only needed a FG to take the lead (hmm, where does that sound familiar).
Shurmer seems Not to even be watching the game. Hillis catches a 60yrd pass and never gets another thrown to him. he gets run up the middle for 2yrd gains every first down. receivers who can catch(The Tes, Cribbs rarely are even thrown the ball). we rarely ever leave in extra protection for the matador pass blocking and the decision to cut Vickers because hillis did not need his blocking has proved equally sound.
We settled on another rookie HC before the playoffs were even half way point this year and no one seemed to want to "interview" with Holmgren. Shurmer got the job because holmgren liked his Uncle?
His play calling looks carthonesque to me.
If I were the head and am not. I would have made RT a PRIORITY this preseason.
I would have made a veteran WR( we did not even try to ante up a 6th Denver took for a fine wr doing great in St. Louis). So Now we are evaluating McCoy.
Lets RUIN the kid first by giving him no help and call that "evaluation".
I would have hired Rob Ryan. Period. The Players play hard for the guy. I would have got him a top OC. watch all the free agents who would have wanted to come play for ryan. Instead we have another coach who seems not to relate to his players
and we will most likely part with three of our best: Cribbs, Hillis, and McCoy because the Coach seems to not relate or want them.
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If I were the head and am not. I would have made RT a PRIORITY this preseason.
I would have made a veteran WR( we did not even try to ante up a 6th Denver took for a fine wr doing great in St. Louis). So Now we are evaluating McCoy.
Lets RUIN the kid first by giving him no help and call that "evaluation".
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If I were the head and am not. I would have made RT a PRIORITY this preseason.
I would have made a veteran WR( we did not even try to ante up a 6th Denver took for a fine wr doing great in St. Louis). So Now we are evaluating McCoy.
Lets RUIN the kid first by giving him no help and call that "evaluation".
Although you already mentioned it, remember, we STRIP away any resemblance of a running game because we trade our 1000+ yard running backs fullback and replace him with a draft pick who cannot block at this level. BTW - have you noticed that Shurmur refuses to use unbalanced offensive lines to help with blocking on his right side??? Its like Shurmur can only think one way and if those plans change, he cannot adjust to current conditions!
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In fairness, Marecic is getting better. He's obviously still not Vickers. A win for Marecic is usually still standing a guy up and not putting him on roller skates like Vickers, but he is getting better. As many have pointed out, Vickers wasn't great when he started either.
BUT, that doesn't mean it wasn't a dumb pick when they could have just kept Vickers for what is, in the greater scheme of things, really cheap for what he provided to the team. You think that first game vs. Cincy they would have passed on first and second and goal from inside the 5 if they had a healthy Hillis and Vickers? I don't.
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So Now we are evaluating McCoy.
Lets RUIN the kid first by giving him no help and call that "evaluation".
akronjoe...a well thought out comment...I agree.
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If I were the head and am not. I would have made RT a PRIORITY this preseason.
I would have made a veteran WR( we did not even try to ante up a 6th Denver took for a fine wr doing great in St. Louis). So Now we are evaluating McCoy.
Lets RUIN the kid first by giving him no help and call that "evaluation".
Although you already mentioned it, remember, we STRIP away any resemblance of a running game because we trade our 1000+ yard running backs fullback and replace him with a draft pick who cannot block at this level. BTW - have you noticed that Shurmur refuses to use unbalanced offensive lines to help with blocking on his right side??? Its like Shurmur can only think one way and if those plans change, he cannot adjust to current conditions!
Not a high recommendation of a coach that does not or refuses to address limitations of his players by adjusting schemes. Dumping the FB was stupid and most here even noted that this summer. I agree with your post 100%
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In fairness, Marecic is getting better. He's obviously still not Vickers. A win for Marecic is usually still standing a guy up and not putting him on roller skates like Vickers, but he is getting better. As many have pointed out, Vickers wasn't great when he started either.
BUT, that doesn't mean it wasn't a dumb pick when they could have just kept Vickers for what is, in the greater scheme of things, really cheap for what he provided to the team. You think that first game vs. Cincy they would have passed on first and second and goal from inside the 5 if they had a healthy Hillis and Vickers? I don't.
Until this team quits wasting picks creating NEW holes when we have so many needs we will continue as a franchise to go BACKWARD. as all three of our division got even BETTER. Shurmer is not in the NFC west(pre harbaugh) but a reaL Division)
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Agreed. Creating a new hole at FB when you have Vickers was just unconscionably STUPID. We could have done so much with that pick we blew on Marecic.
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Let me start by saying I honestly think you're the kinda guy I'd find enjoyable to have a beer and watch a game with.
Now, having said that, here's my HUGE problem with you:
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Dude, you've done absolutely nothing but put words in my mouth since day one on McCoy. I've been HEAVILY critical of the guy. He's small, he throws wobblers, he came out of a spread offense, he was showing iffy accuracy......all of it. My ACTUAL statement was that in order for him to make it, he MUST show elite accuracy and decision making if he would be able to overcome his lack of tools.
That's all I've ever said.
So yes, your constant harping that I'd already buried McCoy and have suddenly changed directions is flat out wrong. I was very close to giving up on him, but I hadn't reached that point yet.
The thing that REALLY confuses me about you is that it's not as though I have this long history of changing directions on players. I blasted Couch, not as a guy who had to improve, but as a guy whom I BURIED and wanted him off the roster. I blasted Frye, not as a guy who had to improve, but as a guy I stated was no good and shouldn't be around anymore. McCoy? No, I've never said that. You've ASSUMED I said it.
That's the problem.
You don't wanna believe it, but you're wrong. Dead wrong. Now I don't know where your disconnect is, but you need to figure it out.....
Imagine that Damanshot putting His words in Your mouth and then attacking them as Yours. Yet he is Improving his skills and often has enlightening pasts.
while i still think it rash to judge McCoy stripped of No receivers, I would not attack your opinion to weigh is. we are all browns fans and want what is Best for the Franchise.
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Yes, Shurmur must go.
Cannot stand him. Didn't like when he was hired.
This concussion debacle is the topper. He must be fired.
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Shurmer staying....Holgram is not going to fire him after 1 season, a off-season where he had to deal with the lock out.
Shurmer is not going anywhere guys....Accept it
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Shurmer staying....Holgram is not going to fire him after 1 season, a off-season where he had to deal with the lock out.
Shurmer is not going anywhere guys....Accept it
I'm absolutly sure you are correct.. Holmgren isn't going to Fire him...
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I do think that the possibility of the new offensive coordinator (whoever it may be) calling plays has gone up considerably as the season has worn on though. I would suspect that Holmgren has to consider it, at the very least.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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I do think that the possibility of the new offensive coordinator (whoever it may be) calling plays has gone up considerably as the season has worn on though. I would suspect that Holmgren has to consider it, at the very least.
That could be,, At some point a few weeks ago, Holmgren mentioned that they would probably hire an OC and made a comment that Shurmur would still call the plays... so, unless he changes his mind,, ?
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Shurmer staying....Holgram is not going to fire him after 1 season, a off-season where he had to deal with the lock out.
Shurmer is not going anywhere guys....Accept it
I'm absolutly sure you are correct.. Holmgren isn't going to Fire him...
This . . .
Thread over. Bring it back next season, if necessary . . . I hope not though.
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Shurmur fired...
I dont really care either way. I dont think he has installed a brand of football i particularly care for. I liked the way Mangini's teams for lack of talent and youth played their tails off to the final gun. When you beat the Browns, you knew you had played them, we played hard, tough, and most importantly disciplined.
That being said...we didnt run a good offense, and our defense didnt stop the run. So im fine that hes gone.
With Shurmur we dont seem to have much attack in us, as it seems weve gone to the opposite extreme. The question to me is where does this look like its headed.
I see it has one of 5 routes...
theres the Jim Schwartz, Chan Gailey (presumably if they continue to improve), Eric Mangini (persumably if he'd gotten better and we improved this year), Tom Cable type routes...where they progressively improve until theyre playoff bound.
Theres the Jim Harbaugh (if they fall off), Tony Sparano, Raheem Morris, Todd Haley route where they go good in the first year and then fall off the map (which we cant do)
The Tom Coughlin, Norv Turner, Mike Tomlin, Rex Ryan etc route...where they go good year 1, and maintain success.
The Steve Spagnuolo route where we continue to stink and never improve.
or the Crennel route...where we just sit around obscurity and never get better but dont be awful either...
Which route are we? Will we get better? or will we stay in squalor? or will we just be mediocre...
"It has to start somewhere
It has to start somehow
What better place than here?
What better time than now?"
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Which route are we? Will we get better? or will we stay in squalor? or will we just be mediocre...
beats me. but, mediocre is a big step up from the past 12 years.
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I think that we're going to fall into the steady progress column.
Our offense is incredibly vanilla. Pure West Coast 101 - we all heard Mayock use that phrase a hundred times on Thursday.... and the ONLY thing that makes sense with that is that our sole concern right now is to build a knowledge foundation with these guys.
We're teaching the entire team one of the most complicated offenses in existence, so it makes sense to start with the basics and keep it simple and add complexity only as the players show they are ready for it. This is purely a teaching year. Next year, everybody will hit the ground running in this offense and the offense SHOULD have a ton more talent with far fewer players needing to get up to speed on things, but those few players will have an entire team of guys that will be able to help them along... that is a dynamic that doesn't currently exist.
I find it odd and ironic that I HATED getting rid of Mangini and I COMPLETELY HATED the Shurmur hire, yet here I am being what I perceive to be as one of the most sane voices regarding us needing to maintain calm and patience for the guy.
Of course, all of this holds true only if we change our ways and stop changing everything at the slightest whim or faintest disappointment.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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We're teaching the entire team one of the most complicated offenses in existence, so it makes sense to start with the basics and keep it simple and add complexity only as the players show they are ready for it. This is purely a teaching year. Next year, everybody will hit the ground running in this offense and the offense SHOULD have a ton more talent with far fewer players needing to get up to speed on things, but those few players will have an entire team of guys that will be able to help them along... that is a dynamic that doesn't currently exist.
C'mon Purp, you're not supposed to use reason and reality to post here 
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Yeah, I hated the hire too ...... and I'm saying that we need to give the guy time to succeed or fail. (Unless he completely loses the team, ala Palmer)
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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