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An all-white church in America's rural South has voted to ban interracial couples from joining. Members of the Gulnare Free Will Baptist Church in Kentucky voted for the resolution after their Sunday service, which says the church 'does not condone interracial marriage'. The church member who crafted the resolution, Melvin Thompson, claims he is not racist and called the matter an 'internal affair'. 'I am not racist. I will tell you that. I am not prejudiced against any race of people, have never in my lifetime spoke evil' about a race, said Thompson, the church's former pastor who stepped down earlier this year. 'That's what this is being portrayed as, but it is not.' Church secretary Dean Harville disagrees, saying the resolution came after his daughter visited the church this summer with her boyfriend from Africa. Stella Harville and Ticha Chikuni — now her fiance — visited the church in June and Chikuni sang a song for the congregation. The two had visited the church before. Mr Harville said he was counting the church offering after a service in early August when he was approached by Thompson, who told him Harville's daughter and her boyfriend were no longer allowed to sing at the church. 'If he's not racist, what is this?' Mr Harville said. The vote by members last Sunday was 9-6, Mr Harville said. It was taken after the service, which about 35 to 40 people attended. Mr Harville said many people left or declined to vote. The resolution says anyone is welcome to attend services, but interracial couples could not become members or be 'used in worship services or other church functions'. Stella Harville, a 24-year-old graduate student at Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology in Indiana, called the vote 'hurtful'. 'I think part of me is still in shock and trying to process what's been going on the past few days,' she said. 'I really hope they overturn this.' Last night the church's pastor, Stacy Stepp, said that he was against the resolution. Mr Stepp said the denomination's regional conference will begin working on resolving the issue this weekend. The National Association of Free Will Baptists in Tennessee has no official position on interracial marriage for its 2,400 churches worldwide, executive secretary Keith Burden said. The denomination believes the Bible is inerrant and local churches have autonomy over decision-making. 'It's been a non-issue with us,' Mr Burden said, adding that many interracial couples attend Free Will Baptist churches. He said the Pike County church acted on its own. Mr Burden said the association can move to strip the local church of its affiliation with the national denomination if it's not resolved. 'Hopefully it is corrected quickly,' Mr Burden said. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...l#ixzz1fJFPqSLs
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Mr Harville said he was counting the church offering after a service in early August when ....
I swear I thought this was going to go on to say that he suspected the black guy of stealing something...
Hopefully this will divide the church and those with some sense will go join another church and those without will eventually see the error of their ways...
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Hey, that's their call. It's totally idiotic, but it's their call.
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I'm still trying to figure out why they quoted a person in Indiana that apparently has absolutely nothing to do with anything. 
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I'm still trying to figure out why they quoted a person in Indiana that apparently has absolutely nothing to do with anything.
That's the daughter, the young girl that brought the guy to church from Africa... note she has the same last name as Harville, the guy at the church. 
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An all-white church in America's rural South has voted to ban interracial couples from joining.
Members of the Gulnare Free Will Baptist Church in Kentucky voted for the resolution after their Sunday service, which says the church 'does not condone interracial marriage'.
The church member who crafted the resolution, Melvin Thompson, claims he is not racist and called the matter an 'internal affair'.
'I am not racist. I will tell you that. I am not prejudiced against any race of people, have never in my lifetime spoke evil' about a race, said Thompson, the church's former pastor who stepped down earlier this year.
'That's what this is being portrayed as, but it is not.'
I laughed. There are so many things wrong with the opening paragraphs....
An all-white church?
Banning interracial couples from joining?
They don't "condone" interracial marriage?
"I'm am not racist" but I have a problem with race
This isn't bad....it's just an "internal affair"
Saying they aren't racist doesn't get you off the hook. Like that statement alone hides all racist things following. It's like Frank Dreben telling a group of people to "move along, nothing to see here" as he's standing in front of a fireworks factory on fire. You can't cover the truth up.
Heck, last week was a perfect example. Suh trying to explain his stomping incident by saying he was just trying to regain his balance and it was merely our fault for interpreting his motion as a stomp. Riiiiiight. Suh would have been better off admiting it and then apologizing....heck, even without the apology it still would have been better.
And same goes for this church. "Yes, of course we're racist. We don't want them in our church. Plain and simple."
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I'm still trying to figure out why they quoted a person in Indiana that apparently has absolutely nothing to do with anything.
Stella Harville and Ticha Chikuni — now her fiance — visited the church in June and Chikuni sang a song for the congregation. The two had visited the church before.
Stella Harville, a 24-year-old graduate student at Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology in Indiana, called the vote 'hurtful'.
You're talking about the Hoosier named Stella right?  Someone will have beat me to this I'm sure as it took me a solid eight minutes to copy and paste all that, haha.
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So someone needs to test their "non-racist" veiws. Just need an African American couple to go to the church, not an inter-racial one, being that they only voted out inter-racial couples, not non-white couples.  Then we'll see their true colors. <pun intended>
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Hey I run an all-white church, but I'm not racist or anything lol
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As far as I"m concerned, I think it's a stupid resolution.. not godly at all IMO Quote:
'I am not racist. I will tell you that. I am not prejudiced against any race of people, have never in my lifetime spoke evil' about a race, said Thompson, the church's former pastor who stepped down earlier this year.
'That's what this is being portrayed as, but it is not.'
This Thompson guy is in denial.. He's indeed a racist.. IMO.
But he apparently carries some weight with the congregation..
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The vote by members last Sunday was 9-6, Mr Harville said. It was taken after the service, which about 35 to 40 people attended. Mr Harville said many people left or declined to vote.
I'm not sure this applies here, but if there was about 35 to 40 people in attendance and only 12 voted, is that even a quorum?
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'It's been a non-issue with us,' Mr Burden said, adding that many interracial couples attend Free Will Baptist churches.
He said the Pike County church acted on its own. Mr Burden said the association can move to strip the local church of its affiliation with the national denomination if it's not resolved.
Sounds to me as if they don't reverse this, the church will lose it's charter (or whatever you call it).
Good.
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The vote by members last Sunday was 9-6, Mr Harville said. It was taken after the service, which about 35 to 40 people attended. Mr Harville said many people left or declined to vote.
While these people who voted for it are obviously morons, what does it say about the people who declined to vote, or who left?
At what point do you stand up for what's right and not just what's "popular"?
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An all-white church in America's rural South has voted to ban interracial couples from joining.
I couldn't get passed the first sentance...
If it's an ALL WHITE CHURCH...
Why would they have different races to begin with?
What non-caucasian person wants to join an all wite church?
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The vote by members last Sunday was 9-6, Mr Harville said. It was taken after the service, which about 35 to 40 people attended. Mr Harville said many people left or declined to vote. The remaining members then stayed to attended their annual kkk Barbeque fund raiser.
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Kentucky's just shy of a 90% white population (probably even higher in rural areas).
It could be 'all-white' simply due to the lack of diversity in the area.
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Kentucky's just shy of a 90% white population (probably even higher in rural areas).
It could be 'all-white' simply due to the lack of diversity in the area.
That's my point. If it's all white, it's all white, why are you making a big deal about not allowing non whites to an all white church?
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Hey I run an all-white church, but I'm not racist or anything lol
It doesn't say that the church is all white by design. There are churches all over the south (and probably the north as well) that have all white members or all black members but wouldn't exclude the other if they showed up.... they just don't.
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The vote by members last Sunday was 9-6, Mr Harville said. It was taken after the service, which about 35 to 40 people attended. Mr Harville said many people left or declined to vote.
While these people who voted for it are obviously morons, what does it say about the people who declined to vote, or who left?
At what point do you stand up for what's right and not just what's "popular"?
I'm reminded of one of my favorite quotes. Maybe Andrew Jackson, maybe Thomas Jefferson....not sure.
"One man with courage is the majority"
My interpretation of this quote: Most of us know right from wrong. It takes one person with courage to take the right path and show the majority the way.
But hey, if they want an all-white church that doesn't allow interracial couple, go for it. If it's your land, your church and your people that want it....do it. It's dumb and intolerant....but you have the right to have a club with the members you want. Just don't tell me you're not racist...because you are. It's an insult to my and everyone's intelligence (unless they aren't trying to pull a scam, they really are too stupid to understand what racism is).
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If you commit racist acts, because of the race of the person you act against, you are, by definition, a racist.
One does not commit racist acts without racist feeling behind it.
If these people want to do something truly worthwhile, they should pray that God puts their hearts right before they worry about anything else.
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But what if he enjoys NASCAR?
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Maybe Andrew Jackson, maybe Thomas Jefferson....not sure.
"One man with courage is the majority"
Both men are credited with it but since Jefferson was born 30-40 years prior, it's probably safe to assume he said it first and Jackson repeated it after he read it on the internet. 
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C'mon, there was no internet then. He used his time machine. Duh...
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My question is since they are going against federal laws prohibiting segregation shouldn't they lose their tax exempt status? Why should they be protected while breaking the law. It's no longer a church. It's a private social club. Much like Augusta.
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My question is since they are going against federal laws prohibiting segregation shouldn't they lose their tax exempt status? Why should they be protected while breaking the law. It's no longer a church. It's a private social club. Much like Augusta.
I would have to completely agree with that, actually.
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My question is since they are going against federal laws prohibiting segregation shouldn't they lose their tax exempt status? Why should they be protected while breaking the law. It's no longer a church. It's a private social club. Much like Augusta.
I don't know that they are going against federal laws prohibiting segregation. They "voted" (15 votes out of some 40 people????), to not ban a race - they voted to not allow inter racial couples to be members.
As wrong and stupid as I think the church is - keep in mind it's only some 40 people, of which only 15 voted. (and yes, the cads that left without voting are just that - cads)
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It could be 'all-white' simply due to the lack of diversity in the area.
That's my point. If it's all white, it's all white, why are you making a big deal about not allowing non whites to an all white church?
One of the white Parish members (a girl) brought her boyfriend (who happensto be black) to church,, What is so hard to understand?
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Kentucky's just shy of a 90% white population (probably even higher in rural areas).
It could be 'all-white' simply due to the lack of diversity in the area.
That's my point. If it's all white, it's all white, why are you making a big deal about not allowing non whites to an all white church?
One of the white Parish members (a girl) brought her boyfriend (who happensto be black) to church,, What is so hard to understand?
My point is, the fact that its a non white church, means that inter-racial relationships would be banned anyways...
Me thinks some guy in Indiana wanted his name in the papers...
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Just a point, but isnt it possible to be againt interracial relationships and not be racist? Maybe you could be against them for the problemsthat can occur in them, not because you hate the race of people. Does that make sense?
I am not against them, people should be able to do what makes them happy, but there are some issues in them,especially if children are born.
Also, being against interracial relationships is not a "white" issue. Many blacks<especially older blacks are against them. Is it racist to want your children to stay within their culture? Is it racist for an old Italian lady to want her grandson to grow up and marry a "good italian girl". just food for thought?
Also, one thing people are overlooking. They did not say people of other races are not welcome to attend the church, or even interracial couples. They said they cant be members. Churches deny membership for many different reasons but still allow those people to attend that church.
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Just a point, but isnt it possible to be againt interracial relationships and not be racist?
Not from where I sit. If race is inherent in a person's stance, it's the very definition of racism. It's possible to take a racist stance without being a bigot (i.e. hatred for a race), but racism is still racism.
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Maybe you could be against them for the problemsthat can occur in them, not because you hate the race of people. Does that make sense?
Like what 'problems?' I'm the product of a bi-racial coupling. and dated gals of all races before settling down with my wife (who looks nothing like me, btw). I encountered stares, resistance, etc... but nothing that you'd say was worse than anyone else's personal growing pains. I survived them just fine, was never involved in a violent confrontation, and learned to toughen myself to words of intolerance. I now live a good life, am respected in my community, and have been married for 28+ years.
So- again, I ask: "What 'problems?' "
IMHO, the "problem" isn't interracial couples.... it's people who still can't accept the fact that this is the freakkin' 21st c.... not 1864.
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Is it racist to want your children to stay within their culture? Is it racist for an old Italian lady to want her grandson to grow up and marry a "good italian girl". just food for thought?
Yes. Most get over it, if they love their children more than they "love" their heritage. Take my In-Laws, for example: before they met me (when I was still nothing more than a 'topic for family debate'), it was easy for them to feel protective and apprehensive. Fear of the unknown is at the heart of racism. Just last weekend, my Pops-In-Law took a moment to tell me that he couldn't have asked for a better S-I-L. over these years... and thanked me for being there for his daughter. Meant the world to me- he's one of those Old School, WWII vet-types who don't get sentimental very often.
They got past their resistance pretty quickly, too- because once they met me, they realized something: that what attracted us to each other was a shared set of values, morals and principles because of similar family upbringings... which was much more important to them than my 'looks.'
IMHO, the problem with this church's position is that they squandered an opportunity for growth and development in God's name... for a bid to maintain the staus quo. Their chance to learn of the tolerance proscribed by Jesus is being wasted... and it's more than likely their loss.
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We have a black President who is the result of an interracial relationship. That should eliminate the argument that such a child cannot accomplish (whatever) because of the obstacles he/she might face.
I do not believe that a person can be against 2 people of different races loving each other and not be racist. (at least not at some level) There is no biological reason why 2 people of different races cannot/should not inter-marry and have children. There really in no sociological reason why a child of such a union has to be doomed to obstacles. What if it is an upper middle class white person who marries an upper middle class black woman? What if Oprah decided to marry a white man and have children? Whenever someone opposes something based on race, it is always, by definition, racist.
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Kentucky's just shy of a 90% white population (probably even higher in rural areas).
It could be 'all-white' simply due to the lack of diversity in the area.
That's my point. If it's all white, it's all white, why are you making a big deal about not allowing non whites to an all white church?
One of the white Parish members (a girl) brought her boyfriend (who happensto be black) to church,, What is so hard to understand?
My point is, the fact that its a non white church, means that inter-racial relationships would be banned anyways...
Me thinks some guy in Indiana wanted his name in the papers...
Oh gees, conspiracy theories abound.. I think it was pretty simple and pretty innocent.. The girl brought her boyfriend to church.. he's black, one man took great exception and ask for a vote of the parish to ban interracial couples.. They didn't say they banned Blacks,, Just mixed couples.
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King, I'll give you credit for bringing this end of it up. Let me begin by telling you that from what people can tell, I'm white and my wife is black. (I'm 50/50 white/hispanic, but I look white and grew up in a white area.) We have one child.
As for your question, the answer is a big NO. Often, people have good reason for not wanting their sons and daughters to date certain people. I don't want my daughter to date criminals, and I don't want her to date somebody with a substance abuse problem, nor do I want her to date somebody who physically or verbally abuses her.
However, If I were to tell her that I don't want her to date somebody who is Black, or Asian, or White, etc. then the means that I am citing somebody's race as the sole reason for my dissapproval, which would make me a racist of the highest order. You cannot get more racist than excluding somebody on account of their race.
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I think I know what you're getting at here also. You feel that the identity of the biracial child will be an issue down the road. Studies have been done on the topic ( I did one myself) and studies reveal that certain groups tend be closer on account of race than other groups. If you go to a high school in an integrated area, you will find that on average, blacks hang out with blacks, whites hang out with whites, and hispanics hang out with each other. Bi-racial adolescents do indeed run the risk of marginalizing themselves because they are confused about their identities. However, we must understand that all adolescents tend to have identity issues at some point. For adolescents of all colors and mixes, it is not until they are surrounded by level headed peers and positive environments that they feel comfortable.
If the United States is going to claim to be a first world country, free of human rights violations, then we cannot deny anybody the right to marry or reproduce. Anybody who does try to deny these rights is not in-line with what America stands for, and holds views that are obviously biased and prejudiced.
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Being against interracial relationships is not a "white" issue. Many blacks especially older blacks are against them.
I agree with a portion of this. There are indeed Black men and women who do not feel comfortable with interracial dating. However, I wouldn't throw the term "many" around. To be honest with you, my wife's black family has never made me feel uncomfortable. Likewise, my white side of the family has never made my wife feel uncomfortable. However, my wife said she did feel that my dad's side (Mexican) DID make her feel unwanted. - Figure that one out. 
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No, but wanting a child to marry a specific sort of person is a far cry from refusing and not supporting them if they choose to marry another sort of person.
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No, I never said "I feel" I was actually stating something I have been told by older blacks who are against interracial relations.
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I have to think it had something to do with your drunk posting skills.
You're gonna leave that sig up until I'm thoroughly humilaiated, aren't ya?
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I know these aren't your thoughts. I was agreeing with you, I just didn't think "many" was correct, at least not in my experience.
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I have to think it had something to do with your drunk posting skills.
You're gonna leave that sig up until I'm thoroughly humilaiated, aren't ya?
Where did that post go anyway? LOL
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My parents have big problems with interrracial couples for some reason. I wouldn't consider them to be huge racists--but I think that they are close-minded when it comes to black-culture...they are much more disapproving of interracial relationships though....
They call themselves old-fashioned with regard to the mixed couples thing...
I wish to wash my Irish wristwatch......
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