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Too soon or not, as mentioned previously, his time is running out... Quote:
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CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Pittsburgh used to be called "Hell with the Lid Off," but then the steel industry declined and, apparently, the infernal torments relocated to the hearts and minds of Browns players and fans.
A year ago, Pittsburgh was the game in which Colt McCoy got his first start, right there by the rivers' confluence. He fared at least as well as Daniel (his real first name) in the lions' den and became another hope/hype for the future.
Thursday night, McCoy returns to Pittsburgh. The lions are big favorites.
McCoy has not looked like he's the answer to the ongoing quarterback crisis. Sports Illustrated's Peter King gave him a "D" grade recently. Reader email is divided, but more and more wonder when McCoy will show something.
It is true what McCoy lacks: a stable of play-making wide receivers, separating from defenders like celebrities from spouses; an All-Pro offensive line, allowing patterns to be timed by sun dial; a running back able to hit 'em where they ain't or in the mouth, as the occasion demands.
The fact is, however, that nobody has it all, although Troy Aikman came pretty close when he was winning three Super Bowls with the Dallas Cowboys in the 1990s.
But when you look around the league, the Steelers' Ben Roethlisberger is playing behind a patchwork line.
Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees and Tom Brady are playing at near-historic levels because they have to. Their defenses resemble O.J. Simpson after, as Detective Nordberg in "The Naked Gun," he fell from the upper deck of Dodger Stadium, was flattened by a steamroller, and marched upon by the University of Southern California band. You know, sort of the Chris Gocong position, after Ricky Williams ran over him last Sunday.
Brady had a wide receiver in Deion Branch who was only special in Bill Belichick's system. He was a dud in Seattle. The Browns picked up Brady's starting guard, Joe Andruzzi, as a free agent in the Romeo Crennel era, then decided he couldn't play after two seasons.
But Browns fans keep thinking a football utopia is required for judgment to made about a quarterback.
Certainly, McCoy has been the victim of almost criminal neglect in the laughable assertion in the off-season that either Pat Shurmur could coach up the returning wideouts or that the West Coast offense would allow McCoy to run the "Open sesame" play, and defenses would be powerless to stop it.
At least some blame for the failure goes on Peyton Hillis and his ego, injuries and alarming free fall from Madden video trendiness.
And yet ... one remembers that Bernie Kosar's receivers -- Webster Slaughter, Reggie Langhorne and Brian Brennan -- made exactly one Pro Bowl among them with the Browns (Slaughter in 1989, although he also was honored with Houston in 1993). Kosar had better protection than McCoy, but he was also far less mobile. After the trade of Earnest Byner and Kevin Mack's trouble with the law, he did not have a powerful running game at his disposal.
In each of the three seasons in which the Browns reached the AFC title game, tight end Ozzie Newsome never had 500 yards in receptions. Still, Kosar showed enough in short order to become the franchise's building block. Kosar could throw deep, but he was also adept at the intermediate pass, the 15-yard comebacker or the so-called skinny post.
Forget stretching the defenses with the bomb. No one respects even the mid-range pass with the Browns, both because receivers can't get open on such routes and because McCoy seldom throws such balls.
Kosar had a gambler's mentality, always looking for the big play. McCoy has been in a short-pass offense since high school. He was programmed in the Big 12 at Texas to dink and dunk. Even his short throws are too often behind the receiver or he has to wait for the ball.
In the NFL, a passing league despite the aberration that is Tim Tebow, the game is won and lost in the pocket. Running the shotgun, although McCoy has familiarity with it, is counterproductive over the long haul. It makes running the ball difficult. The inside handoff to the running back can fool them only so many times.
Running the hurry-up offense for 60 minutes is worse. Does anyone really want to send this Browns defense out on the field, time after time, after quick three-and-outs?
The Browns need to look for a quarterback in the 2012 draft when they have the picks to get a good one. Stanford's Andrew Luck would cost too much to move up to the first pick, but Baylor's Robert Griffin III or USC's Matt Barkley might be there for a probable 4-and-12 Browns team.
It's too soon to say McCoy can't play, period. He isn't as inaccurate as Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn. He doesn't make as many bad decisions as Charlie Frye.
This, however, is known as being damned by faint praise.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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the problem is there are reasons that when we drafted him Heckert went out of his way to make sure people knew it was as an OG. and, that is also the reason he dropped in the draft.
nolo...but, consider this...Heckert is the one that signed Pashos to play RT and he was thought to be 100% healthy when the Browns drafted Pinkston.
...what would you expect Heckert to say?...that he drafted Pinkston to take Pashos spot?
After another season of dealing with injuries with Pashos, it's obvious his days as a RT are numbered. Here is a thought to consider...given Pashos lack of mobility at RT, could he move to OG?
Steinie should return to his LG spot so I look for Pinkston to take over at RT after gaining experience this season at guard. The Browns could land one of the top OGs in the second round or if they wanted to settle for less than top talent, they could wait until the 3rd round to draft a good prospect at OG.
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I'd say that while Livingston makes some decent points, he completely misses the mark simply because nobody expects him to have a football utopia before he can be fully judged.
He tries to back up his argument with the likes of Rothlisberger, Rodgers, Brees and Brady... but he fails to mention one thing about each of them: while all of them have their own issues that they have to deal with, NONE of them have to deal with ALL of the issues we have.
Quite literally, EVERY facet of our offense is suspect - at best. NONE of those other QB's have that on their plate and they ALL have a TON more experience both in the league and their respective systems. It is an incredibly unfair argument he attempts to paint.
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considering that Pinkston was expected to be a backup (before the injury to Steinbach), then yes, if Heckert wanted Pinkston to be an OT I expect he would have said as much (or at least that he is a combo OG-OT prospect).
Why is it okay for him to say he's Steinbach's backup (and heir-apparent), but not Pashos backup (and heir-apparent)?
It's possible that he slides to RT, but I am not going to feel any more comfortable about that slot if Pinkston at RT is our grand master plan.
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it took me a few games this year to see he wasn't improving REGARDLESS of what piece of crap wideouts are trotted out there.
I'm confused... so we replaced piece of crap WRs with other piece of crap WRs and you expected improvement? 
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You've known me for a long time..I don't waffle too long on any individual player for too long to get a solid idea of what they are.
McCoy has shown a few things but I always look at the individual player aside from his support cast..
Had too many battles about our QB's before and our MLB's..same thing.
I know about the crappy receivers but I look at what McCoy does/doesn't do and that tells me what I need to know.
The main equation I see in him is his inability to stretch the field with his arm and be accurate..not the college stuff accuracy where there are larger windows to complete passes..but those tight pinpoint lanes where he needs to be able to fit the ball in.
Even if the wideouts drop the ball(and they do) I should be able to see him feel pressure,lookoff DB's,and get the ball into those windows.
Don't see it ,nor do I sense he is a QB who can really elevate his game to a high level..
He struggles.very much so..he often puts the ball on the wrong shoulder or is late releasing it,as if he's waiting for the WR to come clean..that doesn't happen often in the pro game so he's got to make the read and get it out quicker.
Bottom line ,he has to have a perfect cast around him to make him better..
Remember all the debates about DA?
I stayed on my premise about him..inaccurate,thinks his arm can bail him out and not able to read presnap alignments ..it made him a interception machine..and it's haunted him to this day.
Want you tell me what you think McCoy could do if he had the same cast of the 07 team..think he would have looked as good as DA or do you think he'd struggle with those wideouts?
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When did Steinbach play RG?
He did play RT for the Bengals prior to coming to the Browns. It's not the ideal, but I suspect that the Browns actually like 80% of their OL, and want it to grow together. (as the best OL do) It would not surprise me at all to see us go into next season with the same LT to RG alignment, and a new RT. It would surprise me to see us replace either of the young guys with a 32 year old Steinbach, coming back from major back surgery. It would not surprise me to see us release Steinbach next year either.
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he was terrible at RT, but as an athletic, pulling LG, he's one of the best.
How he does returning from the injury will determine everything, IMO.... as it should, because the current replacements can't barely hold an injured Steiny's jock.
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Bless me but I cannot recall Steiny playing RG like Mac says?
Dang, did I miss something?
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I cannot recall it at all, either... and, actually, I don't recall him playing RT come to think of it.
I recall him filling in at LT for the Bengals, but that's it.
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Bless me but I cannot recall Steiny playing RG like Mac says?
Dang, did I miss something?
If I recall correctly, for the Bengals, At various times and for various reasons, he's played LT, LG, Center and RT. (I could be wrong on the RT thing) But I never heard of him ever playing RG for the Bengals and he hasn't here either.
Did he do that in College maybe?
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Want you tell me what you think McCoy could do if he had the same cast of the 07 team..think he would have looked as good as DA or do you think he'd struggle with those wideouts?
Hard to say because it was a totally different offense. I doubt if he would have had 29 TDs but he probably wouldn't have had 19 INTs either..
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Let me rephrase it then,knowing what you see about McCoy what would he have done in that offense..and remember it was a vertical type offense.
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He would have struggled because the vertical passing game is not now, nor was it ever, his strength. Heck he is playing to some of his strengths and he is struggling now, so I have no doubt that if you had asked him to stretch the field like that he would have struggled even more.
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Then if he's struggling now to do the things he actually does well(that sounds strange for some reason),he's not improving.It appears to me hes hit his ceiling which wasn't high to begin with.
I do not want to see them waste time trying to see if the kid has more inside of him..I don't believe he does.
IMO he's a backup..a good backup but not a starter who can lead the offense to a high level.
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I'd say that while Livingston makes some decent points, he completely misses the mark simply because nobody expects him to have a football utopia before he can be fully judged.
He tries to back up his argument with the likes of Rothlisberger, Rodgers, Brees and Brady... but he fails to mention one thing about each of them: while all of them have their own issues that they have to deal with, NONE of them have to deal with ALL of the issues we have.
Quite literally, EVERY facet of our offense is suspect - at best. NONE of those other QB's have that on their plate and they ALL have a TON more experience both in the league and their respective systems. It is an incredibly unfair argument he attempts to paint.
You are totally correct. matador blocking, a coach that does not scheme to help the limitations of the blocking to keep in a FB or TE over the horrid immobile Pashos.
No Wrs that any defense respects causing them to jump routes while leading the NFL in drops and are often running the wrong routes as well.
Dumping our FB in preseason made Hillis vulnerable in a fashion he was not a year earlier. these are the faults of a front office.
The comparisons is that kosar had Effective recievers, and a very solid RB combo and a very serviceable oline. Rothlisberger has EXCELLENT wrs and RB and Defense that gives him back the ball and makes other teams go uphill.
Brady has an Excellent Coach game day manager unlike the bump on a log we have. he has an effective Oline and reliable though unspectacular wrs, though he has one excellent one.
If we EVALUATE a QB who we gave NO HELP in Coaching, Blocking, receiving and running we will stay stuck in reverse. The only thing I agree with Livingston is that is is all too clear that McCoy will be the scapegoat for the dubious decisions of the front office to stand pat on key positions in free agency and his coverage as a team reporter is preparing us for the inevitable SCAPEGOATING. We are RUINING what could have been an effective Drew Brees like QB.
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At times, I think Colt McCoy can be a viable option as a starting QB in the league...and other times I think that he is slowly working himself out of the league....
If they give him another year, then I am content with that, and if they choose to go another direction--then I won't hold it against them. I do hold out hope that we use our high picks somewhere other than QB this next year....
I think the bottomline is that he is young and inexperienced, but has shown a rare ability to rally the team in some high-pressure situations.....
I think our team has played pretty bad this year, but there have been plenty of mistakes to go around.
Our team is not good enough to overcome these mistakes; dropped passes, poor throws, fumbles, interceptions, special teams lapses, penalties, and a host of other semi-regular football occurrences.
Add players, and go into next year looking to improve.
Keep McCoy or move on---I'm not to sure its going to make-or-break next season, so I am more in favor of keeping him and addressing other areas of need. If our offense is still struggling to drive consistently, or overcome small mistakes---then its time to move on.
I wish to wash my Irish wristwatch......
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I do not want to see them waste time trying to see if the kid has more inside of him..I don't believe he does.
Then sell out and get a stud QB.. If that's the route then go with it. I happen to believe he has not hit his ceiling and that some portion of his struggles are interconnected with everybody elses struggles, to what degree, I do not know. I do not believe he needs a "perfect" supporting cast to be good but I do believe he needs more help and more time in the system... others will disagree, I get it.
I just do not see the need to draft some other midround replacement or go get Flynn who fell in the draft because he's about the same height, flourished with superior talent in college and supposedly didn't have the arm strength to qualify as a high round prospect.
I have two thoughts on the QB spot for the Browns... either go get the guy you REALLY want and pay the price and give the guy 3 full years of your undivided support and commitment or give Colt another year and use those high draft picks to shore up other positions and defer the QB decision until later.. doing anything in between just seems sort of stupid to me.
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I do not want to see them waste time trying to see if the kid has more inside of him..I don't believe he does.
Then sell out and get a stud QB.. If that's the route then go with it. I happen to believe he has not hit his ceiling and that some portion of his struggles are interconnected with everybody elses struggles, to what degree, I do not know. I do not believe he needs a "perfect" supporting cast to be good but I do believe he needs more help and more time in the system... others will disagree, I get it.
I just do not see the need to draft some other midround replacement or go get Flynn who fell in the draft because he's about the same height, flourished with superior talent in college and supposedly didn't have the arm strength to qualify as a high round prospect.
I have two thoughts on the QB spot for the Browns... either go get the guy you REALLY want and pay the price and give the guy 3 full years of your undivided support and commitment or give Colt another year and use those high draft picks to shore up other positions and defer the QB decision until later.. doing anything in between just seems sort of stupid to me.
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QB is NOT the position you hedge your bets on; agreed.
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I honestly feel like we have the worst skill position players in NFL history.
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Too soon or not, as mentioned previously, his time is running out...
Because of a article at cleveland.com? Really?
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I couldn't agree more. My bet is the Front Office gives him another year as they address the rest of the circus. Maybe they'll draft a QB this year. That would be fine. But I'm not going to lose my mind if they don't.
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When did Steinbach play RG?
yt...should be LG...sorry for the confusion.
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I couldn't agree more. My bet is the Front Office gives him another year as they address the rest of the circus. Maybe they'll draft a QB this year. That would be fine. But I'm not going to lose my mind if they don't.
jeepn...I will agree, the front office might be considering giving McCoy another year while they address some of our other needs.
I could even see the Browns working another trade to a team looking to move up to take one of the top QBs in this draft, compiling more draft picks.
But, should the Browns end up with just 4 wins this season, it could be a while before they are in a position to draft the second best QB in the draft.
Another thought...there might be another, less hyped QB in this draft that the Browns are considering...maybe in the 2nd or 3rd round.
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Its not a moment too soon to give up on this thread! More QB talk! AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! 
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I couldn't agree more. My bet is the Front Office gives him another year as they address the rest of the circus. Maybe they'll draft a QB this year. That would be fine. But I'm not going to lose my mind if they don't.
jeepn...I will agree, the front office might be considering giving McCoy another year while they address some of our other needs.
I could even see the Browns working another trade to a team looking to move up to take one of the top QBs in this draft, compiling more draft picks.
But, should the Browns end up with just 4 wins this season, it could be a while before they are in a position to draft the second best QB in the draft.
Another thought...there might be another, less hyped QB in this draft that the Browns are considering...maybe in the 2nd or 3rd round.
We just took a 3rd rounder and where did that get us? The draft is kind of a crap shoot anyway.
I'm not saying it can't happen but when a QB is really good people tend to notice. Whether the 2nd best or even 3rd best QB in the draft is worth it will remain to be seen in their workouts and interviews. If a QB is BPA when we go on the clock then we take him but I don't want to see anyone panic and burn an entire draft for one. We have a whole laundry list of urgent needs and I'm not fool enough to expect the Front Office to be able to fill all the gaps in one more draft. If we have to go with McCoy one more year then so be it.
If the Browns trade down for picks you will see some folks literally exploding in spontaneous combustion. But again, if the deal is good enough it's something you have to consider.
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I honestly feel like we have the worst skill position players in NFL history.
The '76 Buccaneers take offense at that statement.
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If the Browns trade down for picks you will see some folks literally exploding in spontaneous combustion. But again, if the deal is good enough it's something you have to consider.
I agree. Especially if our FO does target someone like Richardson/Jeffrey and feel he will drop just outside the top10 (and that's where we trade down).
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The '76 Buccaneers take offense at that statement.
As well they should, because we're catching up to them at a record pace!
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The '76 Buccaneers take offense at that statement.
Then Bucs coach John McKay in answer to the question, "What do you think of your team's execution?"
McKay: "I'm all in favor of it!"
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McKay: "I'm all in favor of it!"
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I'm not saying it can't happen but when a QB is really good people tend to notice.
Just a thought but yeah, they notice, but it doesn't mean they'll succeed in the NFL..
Matt Lienert
Tim Couch
Akili Smith
Dave Klingler
Ryan Leaf
Jeff George
Andre Ware
Dan McQuire
Todd Marinovich
Tommy Maddox
Rick Mirer
Heath Shuler
Trent Dilfer (at least he's got a ring)
Jim Drukenmiller
David Carr (I don't remember him as a complete bust)
Kyle Boller
JP Losman
Alex Smith (looked like a bust until they put him with the right coach and team surrounding him, now he's looking decent)
Vince Young
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn
That's the bust 1st round QBs since 1990 to 2008. Not in order by year of course,, 21 busts in 18 years.
I didn't check the number of successful 1st round picks for that same period of time, but I'm guessing it's less than 21.
If nothing else, this exercise shows that taking a first round QB doesn't guarantee anything.
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Just a reply to the original question...
Yes, you have to give him another year but I do believe they need to bring someone in to push him.
Fix the pieces around him first because even if they bring in a young stud and the OL is still porous, that QB will be terrible too.
Maybe McCoy is just a placeholder until the OL is fixed and there are more weapons. It might be 2-3 years before this truly happens. By then, we'll know if McCoy is the long term answer or not but at least the next young QB will be in a position to be successful from day 1.
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heres a analogy.....McCoy is asked to make a nice Southern Italian style spaghetti dinner....theres one catch.....all he has is Valu Time spaghetti sauce, parmasean cheese,angel hair pasta..and Sugardale hot dogs....
he can try..but he won't pull it off.
Mike Mayock said the same thing I said months ago...the Browns have no playmakers at WR that a defense has to prepare for.
A key to the WCO is WR's that can add to something after the catch. WR's that know how to set up DB's which savy route running.....make the CB think one way,you go the other.
Norwood is the WR the Browns have that can do something after the catch.
Greg Little is struggling cause nothing is coming natural to him..he's overthinking.
Cribbs...is limited in what he offers. He attacks the ball,but if the ball isn't coming his way..he goes 3/4's speed....
Brandon Lloyd would look good now paired with Little and Norwood.....
oh wait that would have made too much sense...to trade for him
but Little right now is overmatched by #1 CB's.....
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j/c 'The deck is stacked' against Cleveland Browns QB Colt McCoy, says NFL Network's Mike MayockThursday, December 08, 2011, 8:04 AM By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer The Plain Dealer CLEVELAND, Ohio -- It's tough to decide if Colt McCoy can be the Browns' quarterback of the future, because he doesn't have a deep threat like Pittsburgh's Mike Wallace or Cincinnati's A.J. Green, according to NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock, who will work Thursday's game in Pittsburgh. "I think the kid's got the deck stacked against him a little bit right now," Mayock said in a phone interview. "They don't really have anyone like a Wallace or Green that can stretch the field for them vertically, and that's a difficult thing when you're a quarterback. Basically, you're kind of playing small ball. You're trying to run the football and move the chains with a lot of play-action and underneath stuff. And at some point, you've got to be more than that." Mayock said Denver's Tim Tebow is getting all of the attention, "but Colt McCoy is one of the more interesting quarterbacks around the league that has to be evaluated. It's important to figure out whether or not this is your long-term guy." Mayock, who's also the network's top draft analyst, charted all of the McCoy's 69 passes over the past two games (and one by Seneca Wallace) and pinpointed the major problem. "I think the thing I've been frustrated with and it's not really just about Colt, it's more about what's happening offensively, is that by my notes, 55 of the 70 throws have been within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage," said Mayock. "Eight of them were between 11 and 20 and seven were 20 or more. I think it's really hard to evaluate a quarterback when he's not making the downfield throws." Overall this season, McCoy is 30th in the NFL with an average gain of 5.90 yards per completion. "He's not making the downfield throws and what's really happening is that teams are starting to squat on the wideouts, and it's difficult to watch when your offense is so compressed. It's an old-school West Coast offense -- a lot of three- and five-step drop, get the ball out of your hand. I understand it, but at some point you've got to watch this kid throw the ball. You've got to see more of the intermediate routes that demonstrate arm strength." Mayock said it's imperative McCoy -- who's probable for tonight with his right knee injury -- proves he can succeed in bad-weather division games. In each of the past two games, against Cincinnati and Baltimore, McCoy has completed fewer than 50 percent of his attempts. Of course, at least 10 dropped passes didn't help. "I'm a big believer that in the AFC North, you've got to have a quarterback who can hold up in the bad weather," he said. "Let's face it, the last couple of games by the Browns have been in tough weather, cold, rain or whatever. You have to have a quarterback with a big-enough arm that can hold up in the bad winds and all of the other elements." Another reason for the compressed offense, Mayock said, is because of a lack of premier wideouts in general. "Maybe the wide receivers aren't getting as much respect as you'd like," he said. "Greg Little is having a good year, but he's dropped four or five passes [actually six] in the two games I've watched. Mohamed Massaquoi is a pretty good receiver and Josh Cribbs obviously has the 'wow' factor, but he's certainly not a polished receiver." Mayock has liked what he's seen from Little despite the drops. "He's very raw, but I think he can develop into a very good NFL receiver. He's got good size and straight-line speed. But he certainly would benefit from having a Mike Wallace-type next to him." Mayock saw sufficient arm strength from McCoy on a 24-yard TD pass to Jordan Norwood in the Bengals game, which made him think there's potential. "He threw a seam route for a touchdown, and it was a really good throw," said Mayock. "Was it a strong-arm throw right down the seam? Yes. You go, 'that was pretty good.' So you take that in your head and you're going 'okay, if we had an A.J. Green or a Mike Wallace, would we be seeing more of that?' That's what makes this thing so difficult to evaluate." Mayock said the Browns are doing what they can to win games, so they're not particularly interested in finding out of McCoy can get the ball downfield. "But they can see in practice whether or not he can make all the throws," he said. Mayock said an encouraging factor is the team has the foundation for a good, young offensive line. "If you have that, then should be able to run the ball in the AFC North," he said. "Then you have to decide: 'Can Colt McCoy be our guy if we get him the right weapons?' You have to look at a lot of things, including what does our wide receiver group look like this year and what will it look like a year or two down the road? What will we do to get an A.J. Green or a Mike Wallace, and what will that do for Colt McCoy?" Last season, Mayock watched tape of the Browns' victory over New England last season and was convinced McCoy had a bright future. "I thought he had a phenomenal game for a rookie quarterback," he said. "I remember watching the tape and thinking 'that's really good, that's something you can really work with.'" Now after a 6-14 record in 20 starts, Mayock thinks the jury is still out. "I'm anxious to see him in Pittsburgh against this No. 1 defense and see what happens," he said. "I need to see some more throws and I need to see him play against good defenses like these. ... If I were grading him right now, it would be incomplete." The same goes for Browns coach Pat Shurmur, who said this week that he has a good read on McCoy, but will wait until the year is over. "I think right now he's our quarterback. He's standing right next to me battling through this season and I think that's the important thing," Shurmur said. "We just keep battling, that's what we do." He acknowledged that division games will carry the most weight. McCoy is 0-7 in the division. "I think that's the starting point," he said. "That's how you get in the playoffs and it's the first goal of any organization is to win your division because then you're guaranteed a spot in the postseason. I think from a total evaluation standpoint, we'll have to look at the whole year in total."
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My bet is the Front Office gives him another year as they address the rest of the circus.
Even though I'm fairly certain Colt is not our long term answer, I wouldn't be upset with this move as long as we keep him on a short leash, and we don't hesitate to put Wallace in if the first several games next season resemble the same qb play we're seeing now. Wallace and McCoy just might have to do while we address other glaring deficiencies with our draft picks.
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I respect Mayocks opinion a great deal but he has only watched 2 games and I'm always skeptical of what football people say publicly. I'm not saying that he's Jon Gruden heaping over-the-top effusive praise on everybody, but at the same time I don't think Mayock wants to tick off the legions of Longhorns and Browns fans out there by throwing McCoy under the bus. Then again, giving him an 'incomplete' after 2 of his better games and wanting to see how he does against the Steelers isn't exactly a ringing endorsement. He has a pretty good idea of how this game is going to go, I'm sure.
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I'm not saying it can't happen but when a QB is really good people tend to notice.
Just a thought but yeah, they notice, but it doesn't mean they'll succeed in the NFL..
Matt Lienert
Tim Couch
Akili Smith
Dave Klingler
Ryan Leaf
Jeff George
Andre Ware
Dan McQuire
Todd Marinovich
Tommy Maddox
Rick Mirer
Heath Shuler
Trent Dilfer (at least he's got a ring)
Jim Drukenmiller
David Carr (I don't remember him as a complete bust)
Kyle Boller
JP Losman
Alex Smith (looked like a bust until they put him with the right coach and team surrounding him, now he's looking decent)
Vince Young
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn
That's the bust 1st round QBs since 1990 to 2008. Not in order by year of course,, 21 busts in 18 years.
I didn't check the number of successful 1st round picks for that same period of time, but I'm guessing it's less than 21.
If nothing else, this exercise shows that taking a first round QB doesn't guarantee anything.
I don't have the time to go back through 19 drafts but if we're going to use arbitrary years and qualifiers to prove our point I have a couple as well:
Here is a list of current above average starting quarterbacks drafted outside of round 1 since 2005:
(Yeah I don't like those odds, either.)
And really, are there any franchise quarterbacks drafted outside of rounds 1 and 2 since Tom Brady? Maybe Schaub. Maybe Romo?
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I don't have the time to go back through 19 drafts but if we're going to use arbitrary years and qualifiers to prove our point I have a couple as well:
Here is a list of current above average starting quarterbacks drafted outside of round 1 since 2005:
(Yeah I don't like those odds, either.)
And really, are there any franchise quarterbacks drafted outside of rounds 1 and 2 since Tom Brady? Maybe Schaub. Maybe Romo?
You would have to include Kurt Warner, Hasselback, Gannon to name a few. Just count up Super Bowl Wins..Warner and Brady alone outnumber the #1's I would guess.
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