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On Jamal:
I knew he would say it. He has quick feet!!
Phil admits he isn't the same guy he was.
He said he is physically just fine.
He said Rueben "tapered off some" last year (LOL putting it lightly)
He said that it does not close the door on Adrian Peterson.
He said Jamal is not a long term answer.
He said that Willis Mcgahee would be a Marriage and that we want to keep our options open.
He said that Steinbach: Ferentz called Steinbach at Phil Savages request (nice Phil).
He said that we have a lot of negative perception on our team, and then when they come here and see our facilities they realize that we aren't that bad.
He said about tucker: He said it is a tough situation because a lot of it is out of Tuckers control.
Pro Days: Phil said that way back when, that Charlie Wiess has been pimping Quinn since last year.
Phil says he does his scouting during the, and he likes to scout better in the fall.
He said his workout won't change his stance on Brady Quinn.
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He said about tucker: He said it is a tough situation because a lot of it is out of Tuckers control.
Joe Thomas?
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
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Thanks for the recap! I didn't want to listen to the whole thing
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Said that physically he's fine and that he's a good player. Said he's making good strides with an obvious mental issue.
Basically, Savage said very little, which is exactly what I wanted to hear from him this time of year 
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He said about tucker: He said it is a tough situation because a lot of it is out of Tuckers control.
Joe Thomas?
No, he was tlaking about his mental issues.
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If you play the interview in rewind then you hear the subliminal message from Phil: "we are drafting peterson," but it's very faint and you gotta turn up your speakers all the way.
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All I heard was "Paul is dead"
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Funny how both the Ravens and US were in about the same shape running back wise considering recent production, age, etc.. Yet Ozzie decided he wanted to "marry" Willie while Phil decided he didn't want to. Interesting thought processes going on..
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It's almost like Ozzie wanted to out do Phil.  I hope Phil made the right choice (I think he did)
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The talk on McGahee is that he is as dumb as a rock. He couldn't learn the playbook. The team wasted several timeouts this year because he didn't know what he was supposed to do. His work ethic was also in question. On a side note- this guy wrecked his knee and has been able be productive yet AP's injuries (even though alot less severe) are enough for some to think that he will not be able to play in the NFL. 
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First, I'd say that you probably can't name one person that says Peterson won't be "able to play in the NFL."
Second, there's a difference between a freakish blown knee and nagging injuries.
Let's not twist the facts to make a point. Peterson has durability concerns, but nobody said he can't play. They've a right to question the issue, and the two injuries are not at all related.
As for McGahee (why in the Hell is it so hard for me to type that?) dumb is his knock, but rather he simply didn't put in the effort to learn the playbook. He's a true character concern, where as Peterson doesn't have those questions.
To me, the bottom line here is that Newsome got burned by trying to lowball Lewis and was forced to overpay for a proven (proven?) back.
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To me, the bottom line here is that Newsome got burned by trying to lowball Lewis and was forced to overpay for a proven (proven?) back.
I don't think the Ravens wanted Lewis back. If they did - he would have restructured... or after being released he would have been resigned quickly. It is not like Lewis signed with the Browns on day 1 of the FA period.
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Well stated.The Ravens can afford,I hate to use that word,to take a chance on Mcgahee.They are a veteran,well established,team.Mcgahee's laziness willnot be put up with,and I believe Ozzie is under the assumption that his team leaders will police the situation.
Whereas the GM here has to be careful what type of player he brings in,due to the lack of solid veteran leaders.Mcgahee is a risk that we could ill-afford to take.
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I agree w/you that we all think Peterson is a good back. I also agree that McGahee isn't stupid, but his character might be in question. He refused to learn the playboook because he was unhappy in Buffalo. Sound a little like Leon to you?  I want to add something about Peterson. It isn't his injury history that concerns me as much as his running style. He runs upright and looks to lower the shoulder into every defender who is in front of him. In the NFL, that style will lead to nagging injuries...remember how Mack always suffered from shoulder injuries? It will also lead to him having a shorter career than most RBs, who are notorious for not lasting as long as guys at other positions. Draft Joe!
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Funny how both the Ravens and US were in about the same shape running back wise considering recent production, age, etc.. Yet Ozzie decided he wanted to "marry" Willie while Phil decided he didn't want to. Interesting thought processes going on..
The decision to marry Willis was made only after we signed Lewis.
You know how it goes: It's 2am, the waltzes come one, everyone scrambles to find someone to dance with, the girl you are think you can fall back on is suddenly taken.
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Yet Ozzie decided he wanted to "marry" Willie while Phil decided he didn't want to. Interesting thought processes going on..
Maybe because we are still in need of actually drafting ppl while the rats can afford to lose some draft picks......they have no real void on their team cept RB and could afford to do that....
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You know how it goes: It's 2AM, the bars close, everyone scrambles to find someone to "dance" with.
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Maybe because we are still in need of actually drafting ppl while the rats can afford to lose some draft picks......they have no real void on their team cept RB and could afford to do that....
The Rats have a void on their team... youth. Giving up potentially 3 picks in two years, two of them being first day picks, that's a fair amount to let go. Especially on an aging team.
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I want to add something about Peterson. It isn't his injury history that concerns me as much as his running style. He runs upright and looks to lower the shoulder into every defender who is in front of him. In the NFL, that style will lead to nagging injuries...remember how Mack always suffered from shoulder injuries? It will also lead to him having a shorter career than most RBs, who are notorious for not lasting as long as guys at other positions.
Draft Joe!
Eddie George had an upright running style, and he never missed a single game to injury or anything else for that matter. The reason he got worn down in less than 10 years though was because he was a power back and took a lot more hits and carries than Peterson will- who is more of a slasher/speed back than a pure power back. I don't think Adrian will have an injury problem anymore than any other back in the NFL, but I do see him having many 1500+ yard seasons and going to at least 5 or 6 pro bowls.
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Joe Thomas will be a stud LONG after Peterson has hung them up.
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I think Thomas will be a good pro, but I don't see him going to many pro bowls if any at all. He'll be a solid left tackle for some team for a decade, but Peterson will be a great RB with a bunch of pro bowls for 9 or 10 years. Thomas won't help our scoring offense much at all in the immediate future either, which is why Quinn and Peterson are almost certainly higher on our draft board
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Well..........we disagree by a drastic margin on this. No big deal...........but, I still want Joe! 
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Just curious, has there been this big of a debate over two guys for us in the past? I don't have have the memory I once did  . And I know Quinn is in this debate also, it just doesn't seem like he has as big a following Peterson or Thomas.
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That's prolly cause he went to Notre Dame  and he never won a big game, and only played well in like 1 or 2 big games (2005 USC and 2005 Michigan)
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I remember 2004 there was a huge Sean Taylor or Kellen Winslow debate. I was on the KW2 side, thought I was wrong for 2 years, and now think I'm right again.
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I remember 2004 there was a huge Sean Taylor or Kellen Winslow debate. I was on the KW2 side, thought I was wrong for 2 years, and now think I'm right again.
I didn't want either (of course I can't remember who I wanted). After a rough two years I'm happy we have KW2.
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Oh yea..... I remeber that one now, I was on the Sean Taylor band wagon also.
Both have had personnal problems, buit both have been good players also, Taylors just had a few more years, because of Winslow's "problems".
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think Thomas will be a good pro, but I don't see him going to many pro bowls if any at all.
Going to a prow bowl means squat..he gets the job done thats fine by me..I don't care about pro bowls..
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think Thomas will be a good pro, but I don't see him going to many pro bowls if any at all.
Going to a prow bowl means squat..he gets the job done thats fine by me..I don't care about pro bowls..
We might as well call the pro bowl "American football Idol"
It is a glorified popularity contest.
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Could the strange dealings the last couple years in Baltimore be showing how much was Ozzie and how much was Phil in Baltimore all those years?
2006? the trade to move up 1 position in the draft?
2007. trade 3 draft picks for a running back.
Could the Ravens be imploding themselves?
Could Phil have been instrumental in that team than what appeared when he first came here? If so, then maybe what appeared as bad moves on Phil's part the last couple years could have just been getting warmed up and into the sync of things?
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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Could the strange dealings the last couple years in Baltimore be showing how much was Ozzie and how much was Phil in Baltimore all those years?
2006? the trade to move up 1 position in the draft?
2007. trade 3 draft picks for a running back.
Could the Ravens be imploding themselves?
Could Phil have been instrumental in that team than what appeared when he first came here? If so, then maybe what appeared as bad moves on Phil's part the last couple years could have just been getting warmed up and into the sync of things?
There's always going to be a "warming up" period when you enter into a new situation. I haven't had much of an issue with what Phil has done so far, and I'm glad to see him take steps to improve the club with FA and the draft. If anything, these last couple of years has been more exciting than the rebirth years IMO.
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Right, what I mean though is.
Is it possible that the braintrust in Baltimore was more Savage than Ozzy? Is it going to start to show now that Phil is here?
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Right, what I mean though is.
Is it possible that the braintrust in Baltimore was more Savage than Ozzy? Is it going to start to show now that Phil is here?
While I don't think that is true. I do beleive Savage took a lot of his scouting guys with him when he came here. Savage has said it was a collecive effort it Balti as it is now here in Cleveland.
I do think that he hurt their organization by leaving though. Ozzie is the GM, but Phil did the dirty work. JMO
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Could the strange dealings the last couple years in Baltimore be showing how much was Ozzie and how much was Phil in Baltimore all those years?
2006? the trade to move up 1 position in the draft?
2007. trade 3 draft picks for a running back.
Could the Ravens be imploding themselves?
Could Phil have been instrumental in that team than what appeared when he first came here? If so, then maybe what appeared as bad moves on Phil's part the last couple years could have just been getting warmed up and into the sync of things?
I'd love to see Baltimore sign Tim Couch to a $400 million contract as much as anyone  but really these moves you've identified haven't been bad or really even significant.
Trading a 6th rounder to move up one spot is no big deal, and that pick (OB) didn't even make our roster in Sept. The trade for WM may turn out to be a bargain for them. I've always thought he played well for Buffalo and he's unquestionablly more versatile than Lewis.
With McNair at QB it only increases the value of WM as a pass catching RB.
Their D looks good and their O just got better. Sorry to say it but I think the Ravens are doing just fine without Phil.
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Jamal Lewis caught 16 passes last season. Willis Mcgahee caught 18.
I hardly see that as a vast improvement.
Mcgahee caught 28 in 2005 (his best year so far), Jamal Lewis caught 32 passes in 2005.
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