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So are Bruce Kulick and Eric Singer going in the HoF if/when KISS gets inducted?
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I don't know..probally the original band..who knows.
Deep Purple deserves to be in their...
but my fav band is Motley Crue.....I think they will
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My favorite band will probably never be in the RHOF, but they rock nevertheless. http://youtu.be/G1x3wmbsZDU
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Good Lord guys.
KISS wouldn't be the worst band in the HOF, but they aren't near the top by any means.
I still say Paul Rodgers or Chicago should be in before them.
Personally I think the HoF is a joke. It should JUST be a museum with rock and roll memorabelia that gets changed out on a regular basis with themes and events honoring differnt era, genres and musicians. Inductees shouldn't even be part of the equation.
But because Divot thinks their music sucks, doesn't discount the affect they had on RnR. 
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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Personally I think the HoF is a joke. It should JUST be a museum with rock and roll memorabelia that gets changed out on a regular basis with themes and events honoring differnt era, genres and musicians. Inductees shouldn't even be part of the equation.
Exactly.
The idea of a hall of fame is more for things that have some sort of tangibility. Music doesn't have that. I would be like having the Painters Hall of Fame.
And, hell, even in tangible matters, like sports, we still have argument enough. But the spectrum in which to discuss is certainly smaller.
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this is for Divot..if you don't think its well composed and well written...so be it.
this is KISS in a tiny club..no pyro..no lasers...just the band in a Brooklyn club
http://www.youtube.com/v/LuxdDB56BB8
If this isn't HOF worthy, I don't know what is.
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Iggy Pop and the Stooges
Absolutely. Punk is an oft forgotten genre.....
Easily forgotten. 
I did like David Bowie in his Spiders from Mars phase, the Velvet Underground with Lou Reed walking the wild side, and the Ramones....those would be considered "Punk" bands, no??
If not, they looked like punks.
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my point being..you said they have no talent...you said KISS was all pyro..smoke..explosions..merchandising...
I proved to you they indeed can write a good constructed song..melody..hooks......
its like Paul Stanley once said..
"the ROH is nothing more than a glass and block building run by guys who excel at pushing pens..the fans have more validity than the guys who run the Rock Hall"
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Bowies 1st American concert I believe was at the old Agora in Cleveland.
Cleveland broke alot of bands in..RUSH..KISS..Bowie....Alex Harvey Band..Mott the Hoople..
the Scorpians 1st US date was at the World Series of Rock in 1979 in Cleveland
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I was there, that was one hell of a concert. A few bands cut their stadium nuts at that show....ACDC, Thin Lizzy and the Scorpions. Aerosmith and Ted Nugent closed it out. (Somehow, Journey also made that lineup). I posted a clip here from that show a few months back.
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I could see Journey on that bill in '79.
They were about 4 or 5 albums in by then, with a lot of their biggest (and more saccharine) singles yet to come, and Schon was no slouch on guitar.
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think about it..what are the chances you will ever see a bill like that again in our lifetime?
I saw Thin Lizzy with Priest a bit ago...of course since Phil Lynott isn't around anymore,it wasn't a original lineup.
I bet half the people there didn't know who they were.
they were very much a "pub-bar band" in their approach.
I remember seeing Alice Cooper,Priest and Motorhead in 1991 for 10 dollars at Richfield...
what a bargain.
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I saw a concert in Toledo in the late 70's billed as "Heavy Metal Tuesday". Judas Priest headlined The Scorpions and Deff Leppard. It was a hot August night with about 400 people total in the arena. DL was a group of teenage kids who'd just put out their first album "On Through the Night" or something like that. That show was amazing.
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think about it..what are the chances you will ever see a bill like that again in our lifetime?
I saw Thin Lizzy with Priest a bit ago...of course since Phil Lynott isn't around anymore,it wasn't a original lineup.
I bet half the people there didn't know who they were.
they were very much a "pub-bar band" in their approach.
I remember seeing Alice Cooper,Priest and Motorhead in 1991 for 10 dollars at Richfield...
what a bargain.
Ahh the days of the 10-$15 concert ticket are long gone 
Many many memories of concerts at Richfield, the journey to anfd from and the pre-show tailgate was as memorable as the show itself.
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you would pull into the parking lot at Richfield and just hear everyones car decks cranked up to 12...
and even better the girls would be murdered out.
I always like going up to the doors and listening to a bands sound check.
but hard rock-metal concerts equalled smoking hot girls and sometimes their moms...
something you would never see at a Genesis concert.
that Def Lep early stuff is great..after Pyromania.....they softened like a Butch Davis defense.
Steve Clark was one of the more underated guitarists of the day.
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think about it..what are the chances you will ever see a bill like that again in our lifetime?
I saw Thin Lizzy with Priest a bit ago...of course since Phil Lynott isn't around anymore,it wasn't a original lineup.
I bet half the people there didn't know who they were.
they were very much a "pub-bar band" in their approach.
I remember seeing Alice Cooper,Priest and Motorhead in 1991 for 10 dollars at Richfield...
what a bargain.
It seems there's actually been a lot of that type of thing in the last ten years or so with bigger heavy metal bands. Iron Maiden, Dio and Motorhead toured together about 8 years ago. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer and Anthrax did a tour not too long ago. The big German thrash bands (Kreator, Destruction, Sodom) toured together a while back. Then there are all of the huge metal festivals, especially the ones over in Europe.
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Whoever says that their music sucks..really can't back up that claim at all..its a generalization.
I could... and I have the professional experience, education, and playing acumen to back it up... in specifics, and by the numbers.
However, it's blatantly obvious to me that none of those criteria, qualifications or playing ability would do one single thing to make you change your mind... and that's OK. You're a fanboy, and bands like K.I.S.S. need you to keep the dream alive.
Perhaps an in-house demonstration would suffice as to the base nature of their music, but that would never happen, either... so I'm stuck with trying to explain to you why in words, and you're stuck looking for reason to doubt me. Suffice it to say: for as long as K.I.S.S. has had an "army," they've had a universe of detractors... and for the same reasons that have existed for as long as they have. Nothing's changed in 30 years, because THEY haven't changed in 30 years.
(...and believe it or not, there's nothing wrong with that, either.)
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Back in college, I was one of the detractors (now, I don't care). The "K.I.S.S. sux" debate came up one night in the dorm. I was on the 'sux' team. At the height of the debate, I said: "These guys excel at make-up, stage presence and showmanship. Anything beyond that can easily be matched by someone who plays Clessical music" [bait the hook]. **
When I was called on it, I pulled out my cello (yes... the "King of the Geek Instruments"), told them to play any cut from any album twice... and I'd ape the chords AND structure as though I'd rehearsed with the band. Play it 2 more times, and I'll play the guitar solos within a handful of notes.
Challenges were made. Money was placed on the floor. The tune was "Rock & Roll All Nite" from D2K. (...what a sucker's bet... hehe)
"Team Sux" went home richer that night, a few Army Members began listening with fresh ears, and I became the toast of Harshman-Bromfield Floor 2 for about- oh, 48 hours. After that, I resumed my traditional role of Musical Geek on a floor of football, hockey and rugby players.
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Look- I'm not here to weigh in on whether that band should be in the HOF. Such a decision is so subjective that deliberation would be fruitless. BUT... you're readin a post from someone who could categorically explain in theoretical, structural, harmonic, melodic, historic, and technical terms why this band has always been nothing special.
If they become inducted to the Hall, it will be for all the non-musical reasons listed by previous posters... and that will be fine with me. But speaking from a musical p.o.v. they were neither stylistic innovators, nor did they raise the musical/technical bar within the narrow confines of their chosen genre.
If the Hall has a special category for "stagecraft," they should have been in long ago. If longevity, 'unit sales' (ugh, how I hate that term) and fan appreciation count for something, they certainly they should be considered. If the Hall takes the entire package into account (and gee- I'd think that 'quality of musical output should count heavily in this assessment- but that's just me...), then I also have no problem seeing them wait awhile longer. Keep lobbying, however. The precedent for "suckitude in the HOF" has already been established. Your boys WILL get there- someday.
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Somehow this thread got stretch out.
I wouldn't say KISS shouldn't get in...I'd just argue a band like Chicago should get in first.
Chicago raised the bar. Their first album was in 69....the height of the psychedelic movement on one end and the Beatles exploring their creativity leading to their break-up.
All of a sudden Chicago shows up with a horn section! Unhead of...and it worked.
I know, Chicago became a top 40 ballad band as that is what sells and gets played, but those guys could rock out.
Yes, Peen... indeed they could. On top of that, they could swing like the Count Basie Band, play ballads with real tenderness and nuance, and even lifted music from the early 20th c. Classical tradition. (the "Impressionist School": Eric Satie's 'Gymnopedie #2')
They were all-around fine musicians, to a man... and I was one of the first to hate on them for "selling out" to the Pop market. Still... nothing can take away from the innovative, truly unique sound they had when they waxed "Chicago Transit Authority" and their next two discs.
Now... getting in BEFORE or after any other band reduces it to a race, as far as I'm concerned- and for me, music has never really been about "first to the finish line." But I will say this: every year that passes without them being inducted is another year of credibility lost- no matter WHO gets in during those years.
Chicago... good call
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Bowies 1st American concert I believe was at the old Agora in Cleveland.
Cleveland broke alot of bands in..RUSH..KISS..Bowie....Alex Harvey Band..Mott the Hoople..
the Scorpians 1st US date was at the World Series of Rock in 1979 in Cleveland
also where Trent Reznor (NIN) got his start. Tracy Chapman, Chrissy Hynde (Pretenders) The James Gang, the list goes on.
It really is fitting that The Hall be located where it is...
just sayin'
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Miles Davis ?
Not sure what you are saying or asking.
Miles is as important to Jazz as the Stones are to Rock but I don't know that he would be a Rock HOF candidate.
There aren't many artists who cross genre's at will. It's what made Johnny Cash so special.
The guy is in the Rock hall, Country hall, Gospel hall, and songwriters hall.
Pretty strong.
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think about it..what are the chances you will ever see a bill like that again in our lifetime?
I saw Thin Lizzy with Priest a bit ago...of course since Phil Lynott isn't around anymore,it wasn't a original lineup.
I bet half the people there didn't know who they were.
they were very much a "pub-bar band" in their approach.
I remember seeing Alice Cooper,Priest and Motorhead in 1991 for 10 dollars at Richfield...
what a bargain.
It seems there's actually been a lot of that type of thing in the last ten years or so with bigger heavy metal bands. Iron Maiden, Dio and Motorhead toured together about 8 years ago. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer and Anthrax did a tour not too long ago. The big German thrash bands (Kreator, Destruction, Sodom) toured together a while back. Then there are all of the huge metal festivals, especially the ones over in Europe.
Nobody wants to think this, but this resembles the bundling of 50's Doo Wop Groups touring..LOL Sounds funny doesn't it.....
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That Divot poster said KISS had no talent and they were all pyro and explosions.
I just replied and said if KISS didn't have the songs they wouldn't have made it this far.
The members of KISS never claimed to be musically proficent or geniuses.
Its irrelevant in terms of how simplistic KISS's songs are learn and play.
anyone beginner playing bass or guitar,I would point them toward KISS's 1st 3 albums. Much like AC/DC.
but strip away the stage show and costumes..Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons,Ace Frehley are good musicians. And as far as singers go,there aren't too many better than Paul Stanley.
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think about it..what are the chances you will ever see a bill like that again in our lifetime?
I saw Thin Lizzy with Priest a bit ago...of course since Phil Lynott isn't around anymore,it wasn't a original lineup.
I bet half the people there didn't know who they were.
they were very much a "pub-bar band" in their approach.
I remember seeing Alice Cooper,Priest and Motorhead in 1991 for 10 dollars at Richfield...
what a bargain.
It seems there's actually been a lot of that type of thing in the last ten years or so with bigger heavy metal bands. Iron Maiden, Dio and Motorhead toured together about 8 years ago. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer and Anthrax did a tour not too long ago. The big German thrash bands (Kreator, Destruction, Sodom) toured together a while back. Then there are all of the huge metal festivals, especially the ones over in Europe.
Nobody wants to think this, but this resembles the bundling of 50's Doo Wop Groups touring..LOL Sounds funny doesn't it.....
The image of those 50s groups playing to 10,000 people in arenas and amphitheaters certainly is humorous!
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also where Trent Reznor (NIN) got his start. Tracy Chapman, Chrissy Hynde (Pretenders) The James Gang, the list goes on.
It really is fitting that The Hall be located where it is...
just sayin'
That's a valid point; however, to be totally fair, all of those artists are from Cleveland, so it seems pretty logical that they'd get their starts in Cleveland.
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Thats what I was eluding to ... scanned the list of inductees and saw Miles Davis 2006 .. Love Miles , but he dam sure isn't what I would call rock !
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If it was as an early influence type thing, I could see Miles Davis. Same reason you have Robert Johnson and Hank Williams Sr. in there. Hank Sr stands up to the test of time like few others. Johnson influenced a slew of folks in the 60s from Keith Richards to Clapton, I can wing a whole buncha rock tunes because I have tried to play Johnson (with mixed results). It's all 12 bar minor pentatonic blues, which seems to never get stale.
Rock n Roll was an extension of the blues. Rockabilly included more of a country flavor is all. The Beatles also had a Country influenced sound. Listen to Live at the BBC, and A Hard Day's Night through Help!. What made them so unique in my eyes is they seamlessly traversed genres. R&B, Country, DooWop, and just plain ol Rock 'N Roll is interspersed all through their early albums. I recently discovered I can play most of Carl Perkins' songs just by all the licks George Harrison swiped from him.
What I'm gettin at I suppose is it's all a continuum. With no really good objective way to measure artists, I think musical influence upon contemporaries has to be a consideration. Macca (majorly underrated as a bassist, in response to some earlier comments) influenced Gene Simmons musically, but can any of the members of KISS be claimed as an influence MUSICALLY for their contemporaries or future generations? I sort of view KISS' music as a long one hit wonder, noone sounds like them, but it's not because they were a unique talent. It's just that noone bothered.
I will learn to play songs from just about every genre on any instrument I can. In HS 2 friends and I decided to make a tuba, euphonium, bass drum arrangement of "I Want you Back" because it had a good bassline. There are many songs I've learned on guitar, bass, or tuba, because there was a "wow that's a neat groove/lick." However, KISS never did that for me.
Perhaps 4 years of studying tuba made me a snotty musician, but for a Hall of Fame for musicians, musical talent should be a consideration. Hence why the whole thing is pretty much a joke. It's a cool museum, I'm not gonna look to the inductees to find some artist I've never listened to,and expect them to blow me away however.
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is John Mayhall and the Bluesbreakers in the Hall?
If not they should be.
They predeeded the Yardbirds, Cream,The Who....
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Miles is an absolute Jazz icon , but I just don't see the connection to rock ( as I understand it } .. And as You point there are others as well .. We could talk about Benson too or Kenny G .. Just found it strange .. I'm a big Jazz fan .
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Or Charlie Parker, Thelonius Monk etc etc, The classes I took on Improvisation were among the funnest. Kinda wish I had kept playin trombone after HS. I love jazz, one of my good friends considered a career in playing Jazz guitar. Dude's got some serious chops, and always willing to help me when I get in a playing rut. We considered forming a combo with me playing bass/tuba, but he got busy and it never materialized. We dont rule it out in the future though. We're both 25 and not really tied down, so anything can happen there.
Not sure about John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers. That group was awesome though. Their version of "It Hurts Me Too" made me pick up slide more seriously.
I think you see those names mentioned because early Rock n Roll is an extension of blues, as are the various forms of jazz. There weren't polarized genres then, everything was part of a massive continuum/evolution. Even later on that was the case. Keith Richards got that signature Stones sound by using an open G tuning, which he learned from Blues guys, and expanded upon it.
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you seem to be a very very talented musician. No doubt you had years of practice and music theroy.
If want to listen to how jazz has inflenced rock and roll..Black Sabbath is a good example esp. drummer Bill Ward. Their album Paranoid has many traces of it.
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Hank is in the RRHOF? News to me.......he could be, I agree. I think Elvis and Johnny are the only two to cross over between each. I think "The Killer", Jerry Lee Lewis could as well....he went both ways. Waylon Jennings was a bass player for the Crickets, Buddy Holley's band, so there are lots of crossovers between rock and country. The Man in Black and Elvis hit it at the perfect storm so to speak.....Both were Rockabilly at the start, and one swayed more to rock and the other towards country/western Billy Haley had one of of the great rock tunes ever, but for the most part he was a country artist before Rock became his calling card with Rock Around the Clock. You know...Happy Days
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Just checking who is in and who is out of the R&R Hall. I do feel it is a joke myself, seen Madonna get in there with way too many rockers getting past by.
I feel all these bands should be in, just from judging others that have been inducted in the past:
Hard to believe these bands are not in:
Chicago
Captain Beyond
Deep Purple
Emerson,Lake, & Palmer
Grand Funk
Humble Pie
Iron Butterfly
James Gang
Journey
Little Feat
Mahuvishnu Orchestra
Nazareth
Paul Revere & the Raiders
Rush
Savoy Brown
Ten Years After
Uriah Heep
Yes
These bands were much more rock and roll then some that have been inducted.
The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is a joke, and that is a shame, because it belongs in Cleveland, but the voting is not by the right people.
More than likey, Lady Gaga will be inducted before the bands I wish were in.
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Hank is in as an "influential artist" I believe. I know he had an exhibit when I went a few years back. The fact that I can sit here in 2011 and play Cold Cold Heart for someone and have them go "WOW that's a good song" speaks to his ability. Along with the wealth of material by someone who left the Earth at 29.
As far as Elvis and Cash go, I love both of them during the Sun Records period. Ol Sam Phillips knew what he was doin for sure. Can't go wrong with Carl Perkins from that era either. Johnny Cash is one of my favorites, amazing writer, and when he did someone else's song he made it his own. That's an ability few have, especially to the degree he did. I really dont dig Elvis' post Sun period, and especially after his comeback. Too commercial for me.
Here's a good one. "Rock Around the Clock" is essentially a rewrite of "Move it on Over" by Hank Sr. I'll mess around with people by interspersing lines of both when I'm playing.
KStorm: I'm marginally talented on quite a few instruments. Bass instruments are my bread and butter though. I've played tuba since 6th grade, and took to Bass guitar (Double Bass to a lesser degree)quickly. I was in an alternative/blues rock band for a while, essentially learning bass guitar as I went. I've been told I have an ear for playing bass, which I guess is hard to come by. Someone told me there are lots of guys with great technical facility, but they can't "play to the song."
My approach was through a theoretical construct. "How can I lead from an E chord to an A chord in a way that locks with whats goin on? Well I'm sittin on a B on beat 3 in the last bar of E so lets go chromatically down to the A" Eventually it started to click. Had some chemistry there, but my work schedule was too prohibitive to stay in that group.
An interesting thing about that band, the lead singer HATED Paul McCartney, but he was a HUGE influence on my approach to bass. He never overplayed. He found interesting lines that worked in the melodic construct of the songs. He was massively underrated as a bassist, and a bit overrated in other categories. Listen to "Rain" or "Taxman" dude had some chops.
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One last addendum there. Paranoid was the first CD I ever bought. I catch crap for liking Sabbath on occasion, but I really dig their 1970-75ish sound. Iommi is overlooked for his contributions quite a bit.
I dislike most metal though. Sabbath is one of the few exceptions to that rule. Possibly because they had such a dark tone, vs the scooped out mids, high speed metal to follow them.
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Sabbath wrote songs about peace and love......all about everything happening in everyday life....just much more heavier then any other band.
Madonna got inducted way before Black Sabbath, I never understood that one....but it had to do with the heavy metal stuff at the time, I guess.
GO BROWNS!
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that Sababth stuff from 70-76 is just a monster.
I recommend the following songs...
"Into the Void"
"Sabbath Bloody Sabbath"
"Hole in the Sky"
"Snowblind"
'Supernaut" (Bonham loved that track)
Everyone raves about Zepplin...blah blah....
I like Jimmy Page like the next guy..but Iommi laid the foundation for metal.
Page was all over the place live. Kinda sloppy. After Physical Graffiti,Zepplin lost their edge.
Sabbath was ahead of their time as far as lyrics go....alot of sci-fi and preservation of the mind kinda of stuff.
Iommi is a legend.
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My approach was through a theoretical construct. "How can I lead from an E chord to an A chord in a way that locks with whats goin on? Well I'm sittin on a B on beat 3 in the last bar of E so lets go chromatically down to the A" Eventually it started to click. Had some chemistry there, but my work schedule was too prohibitive to stay in that group.
If this has been your approach for awhile, you're a prime candidate to 'walk' a bass. Have you considered tying your hand at REAL Jazz? I mean, in a band that plays stndards, 50's/60's, and Bop?
Guys I know who cut their eye teeth on rock, and who have learned to play Jazz, say they love the spontaneity and complexity that Jazz brings.
Sounds like you already have the mindset to make some good sounds in thet genre....
just curious...
"too many notes, not enough music-"
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I hate the Madonna is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Ditto for Run DMC. They're not a Rock and Roll band ...... although at least they did do one (remix) song with Aerosmith.
Abba. Really?
Louis Armstrong? A genius, for certain ..... but Rock and Roll? Not a chance. Ditto for Chet Atkins.
The Beastie Boys in before KISS? Or Journey? Or any of the other dozen and a half other bands on this thread? A big joke.
The Bee Gees? Disco isn't rock.
Earth Wind and Fire? Great band. Not a rock and roll band though.
Grandmaster Flash? Really?
That's just through the G's, and only the most egregious of offenders, off of a very quick scan of the list.
If it was a "Music" hall of fame, then makby some of these bands might be worthy. However, Abba in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is like inducting Barry Manilow into the Rap Hall of Fame. It's just not a fit for the function.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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that Sababth stuff from 70-76 is just a monster.
I recommend the following songs...
"Into the Void"
"Sabbath Bloody Sabbath"
"Hole in the Sky"
"Snowblind"
'Supernaut" (Bonham loved that track)
Everyone raves about Zepplin...blah blah....
I like Jimmy Page like the next guy..but Iommi laid the foundation for metal.
Page was all over the place live. Kinda sloppy. After Physical Graffiti,Zepplin lost their edge.
Sabbath was ahead of their time as far as lyrics go....alot of sci-fi and preservation of the mind kinda of stuff.
Iommi is a legend.
Sabbath wrote so many better songs then what you offered.
Every album was so good, but they were not the only band to kick ass in the 70s. Just one fo the greats along with EL&P and a few others.
GO BROWNS!
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