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I almost hope that we do start Wallace this weekend. I am really curious to see if the offense looks different with the career backup under Center.
Yes ..... I hope we do start Wallace.
Given the stink over the way the Browns handled the McCoy concussion and the heat the medical staff is taking, there is a very good chance McCoy sits out this week.
The Browns will be playing out of the AFC North this weekend heading west to play the Arizona Cardinals who have a defense that ranks..
...21 in overall defense
...23 pass defense
...19 rush defense
The Steeler defense ranked
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...1 pass defense
...6 rush defense
It should not be too hard to make the point, the Browns offense looked better against the Cards, given the fact that the Cards defense is not the Steelers defense. It is certainly not a reach to expect the Browns offense look better against the Cards...but how much credit goes to the Cards defense?
Also it must be noted, the Browns most experienced QB in the West Coast offense would be Seneca Wallace. I expect Seneca Wallace to play well against the Cards and make the most of his start, if he does start...and I hope Wallace plays well enough to convince the Browns front office not to draft a QB in the first round.
Looking at the Big Picture...if the Browns beat the Cards, it will move them down the draft board and possibly out of reach of the top QBs...the catch 22.
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Looking at the Big Picture...if the Browns beat the Cards, it will move them down the draft board and possibly out of reach of the top QBs...the catch 22.
and also out of reach of the top running back..... and the top widereceiver....
We have to play this game Indianapolis style and just tank it if they are playing for draft position--- maybe the NBA lottery has it right.
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Flynn is probably going to demand a sizable contract ..... and he has done absolutely nothing in the NFL. (and very little in college either)
What has he done that makes you confident that he can be a starter in the NFL?
Look, Flynn is not perfect. But he has been groomed in a west coast offense for several years now. There would be no transition. He has had some action, preseason, a few games last year and actually looked pretty good. Not the strongest arm ever- but its better then most. His critics don't seem to find fault in his arm or accuracy. The chatter (or is that cheddar???) coming out of packer land is positive. Mike Mayock has said in the past that Flynn will make a quality starter. The packers would like to keep him, make no mistake about that, but i see no way he signs there. Is he going to cost some money, you bet. I'm fine with that (seeing that its not my money too spend).
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If for 12 years the common denominator is the QB, then maybe it's the QB.
It's like the guy that gets fired from 10 different jobs and each time the boss didn't like him. But he's the common denominator every time.
You are refering to the position as if it's a person.. We've had what,, 5000 QB's since 1999. 
Your example talks about one guy, fired 10 times.. Not the same.
Also, Purp is, IMO, correctly assessing that we've always complained about the receivers yet we never seem to get that right.. Then all anyone wants to do is get rid of the QB.
I don't know if Mccoy is the man or not. Frankly it's not looking good for him in my eyes,, But I'd sure as hell like to see what happens if we get a couple of receivers that GO AFTER THE DAMN BALL..
I'd also like to see what happenes if we had the Right side of the line fixed and it wouldn't hurt to have a running back with some damn speed.. All of our guys (except Smith when they let him play and Obi) seem slow.. and yeah, that includes Hillis.
THere are a ton of holes on the Oside of the ball... yet some seem so damn fixated on the QB as if that's the only thing that needs changed and then all will be good....  What a joke
I'd like everyone to asked themselves one simple question.
If we have (insert PRO BOWL QB NAME HERE) would the receivers catch the ball when it lands in thier hands? (now watch someone say,, but McCoy never puts it in thier hands and I"ll throw the BS Flag )
I contend that answer is no... Getting Andrew Luck or anyone else won't mean a damn thing if RB's can't run and WR's can't catch and the right side of the line collapes like a paper doll.
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And again ...... I'm not looking at whether or not we score 100 points ...... just how the offense looks and functions under a different QB. How do the WRs look with someone other than McCoy throwing passes? Does the offense adjust away from runs into a stacked line? Can we connect on sideline passes? Is the timing better with a different QB? These are the things that I am looking at.
Nice to see that there are already excuses being offered if we should look like a professional offense this weekend. We have scored a total of 87 points in our last 8 games combined. That's less than 11 points per game ...... and the teams we played were not all defensive juggernauts.
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If we have (insert PRO BOWL QB NAME HERE) would the receivers catch the ball when it lands in thier hands? (now watch someone say,, but McCoy never puts it in thier hands and I"ll throw the BS Flag )
2 thoughts (not my conviction just a thought).
1 - Could guys be a little gun shy knowing how often Colt's passes lead them into big hits whereas Drew Brees' receivers know how often his passes lead them away from big hits.
2 - On the 2 pass plays Wallace has made this year, his ball is a lot different than Colt's. Wallace gets the ball out their with some zip, Colt's float a little. Kind of like trying to hit a change-up. The ball looks like it is thrown hard but doesn't get there when expected.
Any credence to either of these thoughts? No idea. Just thinking out loud.
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Watson has had 3 concussions this year.
Three.
Massaquoi has been concussed and hurt by big hits that he was thrown into.
Marecic has had 2 concussions.
That's a lot of guys getting blasted.
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Perhaps they are susceptible to concussions after the first one, considering that is a widely known fact about concussions? Did Merecic get hurt on a pass play or blocking? Because I don't recall him catching too many passes. And MoMass has had concussion issues even before McCoy became our QB. The long and short of it is there is ample blame to go around and the sloppiness of technique in general is one of the contributing factors, at least as much as McCoy and wherever he puts the ball...
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If we have (insert PRO BOWL QB NAME HERE) would the receivers catch the ball when it lands in thier hands? (now watch someone say,, but McCoy never puts it in thier hands and I"ll throw the BS Flag )
2 thoughts (not my conviction just a thought).
1 - Could guys be a little gun shy knowing how often Colt's passes lead them into big hits whereas Drew Brees' receivers know how often his passes lead them away from big hits.
2 - On the 2 pass plays Wallace has made this year, his ball is a lot different than Colt's. Wallace gets the ball out their with some zip, Colt's float a little. Kind of like trying to hit a change-up. The ball looks like it is thrown hard but doesn't get there when expected.
Any credence to either of these thoughts? No idea. Just thinking out loud.
Good points, and I don't really know the answer either to be honest..But I guarantee you this, if someone on here has it in for McCoy, it's a fact to them
I have to tell you something else, this isn't a game for the faint of heart. I don't see evidence that McCoy leads his receivers into harms way anymore or less than anyone else. That's not to say it doesn't happen, I'm sure it does, but to what extent.
Some on here see it happen once or twice and that's all they remember... and the thought blossoms into more than it really is.
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Some on here see it happen once or twice and that's all they remember... and the thought blossoms into more than it really is.
Wow, that really happens on here?
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Some on here see it happen once or twice and that's all they remember... and the thought blossoms into more than it really is.
Wow, that really happens on here?
Once or twice a year,, someone goes off on that.. Yeah
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Look, Flynn is not perfect. But he has been groomed in a west coast offense for several years now. There would be no transition.
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He has had some action, preseason, a few games last year and actually looked pretty good.
He has thrown 88 NFL passes and he looked good in relief in the best offense in the NFL. He had one decent game against the Pats last year.. that's it.
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Is he going to cost some money, you bet.
If 1 good game in 4 years from a 6th round draft pick is enough to warrant spending some extra money then go for it. 
I swear that I can get behind the "Sell out to move up and take a stud argument".. I can also get behind the "Give Colt another year and get some weapons and defer the QB decision another year" argument. But the "Spend FA money to bring in a new guy who has all of the same alleged weaknesses of the guy we already have" argument just baffles the ever loving crap out of me.
Flynn has done nothing, nothing, nothing, NOTHING in the NFL that Colt couldn't have done if he was thrust into a no-pressure situation with an offense that has been clicking on all cylinders since the day he got there... Picking up Flynn and paying any kind of a price for him is the epitome of "the grass is always greener" plan... which means that is probably what we will do. 
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Once or twice a year,, someone goes off on that.. Yeah
What the funniest part is, is that either one of us could make something up, and if it fit someones agenda, it would be used over and over. Just like when joe claims Colt can't audible, even though we see him do in game after game.
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Yours would be a valid argument,had not Colt and the gang looked like crap against some of the weakest D's in the league before this.
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Once or twice a year,, someone goes off on that.. Yeah
What the funniest part is, is that either one of us could make something up, and if it fit someones agenda, it would be used over and over. Just like when joe claims Colt can't audible, even though we see him do in game after game.
Oh yeah, that's another one. LOL Can't audible,, yet we see him do it,,
Misses a WR in stride and he can't hit a WR in stride.. even if we see him do it another time. Throws short a couple of time and he can't throw long
It's almost as if He makes mistakes that Brady, Manning (either one) Brees and Favre have made more than once in thier entire professional careers.. But somehow, it's Colt, he's a Brown so its magnified..
It's almost a joke....
But wait, there's more,, in a few moments, I and you will get beat on because we call them out on it.....
Let the justifying begin
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Look guys. THE O-LINE IS HORRIBLE. Our receivers are NOT GOOD. Our coach/OC draws up some of the most headscratching Pop Warner plays I have ever seen a pro team run. It is bad when a 8 year old can tell you if the Browns are running or passing. But that is besides the point. A PRO team should tell you OK we are gonna Run it. We are gonna Pass it. And you can't stop us. But The O-line does not assert itself like that. Last year they did. Even with the broken RG position. Do not even get me started on how not keeping Vickers. And Steinbach's injury doomed the Browns from the start in the running game. What the hell is Colt suposed to do? Even when the poor kid has a chance with a lead. The D goes out and hands the lead right back. Yeah Colt has thrown costly INT's. But usually not pick six's. Last I knew it was up to the D to make a stop. Not give up 3rd and forvever almost EVERY time they get a team on the ropes. I will tell you what Colt is doing. He is doing the same thing that the last 13 guys thru here have done. Run for his life. And if the Browns bring in another QB. No matter who it is. Until some people in the trenches step up their game. The end result will be the same. Here are some examples. Of how the line lets people thru even if Colt takes a ten yard+ dropback for his WR's to get open. Or figure out how to comeback on a hot route? I have seen Cribbs do it once. I do not recall any other receiver doing it all year long. Somebody besides McCoy needs to step up. IMO Colt is the only player on the O that has attempted to step up.            I have about 100 more of these from EVERY game this season. So really? Blaming Colt for YET ANOTHER DISAPOINTMENT is the same thing that the fans do every year. The QB is not the most glaring problem with this "team". So I think you keep Colt. Even if he is on the bench. Until he has a snowballs chance in hell of playing the QB position. Because in my eyes. With this line. Colt is just a BAD Running back who just happens to be able to throw a football. But this is just my opinion. 
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If for 12 years the common denominator is the QB, then maybe it's the QB.
It's like the guy that gets fired from 10 different jobs and each time the boss didn't like him. But he's the common denominator every time.
You are refering to the position as if it's a person.. We've had what,, 5000 QB's since 1999.
Your example talks about one guy, fired 10 times.. Not the same.
Also, Purp is, IMO, correctly assessing that we've always complained about the receivers yet we never seem to get that right.. Then all anyone wants to do is get rid of the QB.
I don't know if Mccoy is the man or not. Frankly it's not looking good for him in my eyes,, But I'd sure as hell like to see what happens if we get a couple of receivers that GO AFTER THE DAMN BALL..
I'd also like to see what happenes if we had the Right side of the line fixed and it wouldn't hurt to have a running back with some damn speed.. All of our guys (except Smith when they let him play and Obi) seem slow.. and yeah, that includes Hillis.
THere are a ton of holes on the Oside of the ball... yet some seem so damn fixated on the QB as if that's the only thing that needs changed and then all will be good.... What a joke
I'd like everyone to asked themselves one simple question.
If we have (insert PRO BOWL QB NAME HERE) would the receivers catch the ball when it lands in thier hands? (now watch someone say,, but McCoy never puts it in thier hands and I"ll throw the BS Flag )
I contend that answer is no... Getting Andrew Luck or anyone else won't mean a damn thing if RB's can't run and WR's can't catch and the right side of the line collapes like a paper doll.
The front office wrote off the season in August. They whistled past the graveyard regarding depth to RB, made delusional pronouncements about the readiness of the oline and did zip to upgrade at wr as well. You all see the results.
Toss in a coach who does not let his qb audible, leaves in poor blocking schemes with little extra protection, you see a QB with nothing to work with yet has zero quit in him.
Toss in a coach who lied that MCCoy was properly evaluated and sending the kid back into a game where he suffered a concussion and you wonder...what was the point of leaving this young kid on the hook with no help?
Face it, Cribbs, Hillis and McCoy are gone and we will look for yet another QB to ruin with crappy coaching.
For a quarter and a half Shurmy actually called for passes on first down and the browns moved the ball. he actually kept in extra blocking and often a TE was actually seen on Pashos right to chip the rusher into the mummy and he played a solid first half. Then Shurmy turned back into a pumpkin and returned to his Carthon school of coordinating.
I vote to keep McCoy, Hillis, and Cribbs and dump Shurmy.
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Toss in a coach who does not let his qb audible,
WHY THE HELL YOU KEEP REPEATING THIS? It is not true. Colt said on one particular play he could not audible. He has visibly audibled in just about every game I've seen. You are incredible with your agenda. Give it a break for the sake of sanity.
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They whistled past the graveyard regarding depth to RB,
Hillis, Hardesty, and Brandon Jackson. Not to mention Smith. Why not trying to at least say something truthful once and a while .
Your Shurmur hate and blame agenda is tired beyond belief. Like Toad has already pointed out. You should just post ..I HATE SHURMUR...and nothing else, because everything else you say is nonsense.
Did you even watch the game? The team was in it until late in the 4th, with a gameplan designed by the coach you hate..I saw a lot of fight and determination in the team, that comes from coaching.
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I'm gonna respond to what you wrote because I like it.
That being said:
Upon re-examining everything in this season to this point...I wanna write an all encompassing state of affairs on the Browns QB position...
There were many things going against Colt McCoy and the Browns offense entering the regular season:
0 experience in the WCO (only Alex Smith had ever taken a snap in it)
No offseason to install it
Injuries to Eric Steinbach, Tony Pashos, Brandon Jackson, Josh Cribbs
Retirement of Billy Yates
Starting wideouts: Brian Robiskie (gone), and Mohamed Massaquoi (bad)
Rookie head coach...also being an OC running everything his way for the first time ever...also calling plays.
Major roster overhaul
Young QB now learning his 2nd system in as many years.
then theres the in season issues:
Hardesty injuries
Armond Smith being bad
Peyton Hillis being a tire fire
Drops (36 now i think?...30+ regardless)
mystifying play calling
poor mechanics
revolving door at RT (cousins, hicks, pashos)
poor guard play
improving game management
WRs that get no separation
TEs that for some reason have become a smaller and smaller part of the gameplan (thank goodness we're targeting the WRs more
Throws that INT...always a terrible decision.
Throws a soft ball...never a good thing with a soft WR corps. There are many QBs that dont throw lasers but they succeed because of good positioning, and/or good WRs that play the ball strong (or come to get it). But throwing a soft ball can be worked for...Colt can get the ball everywhere but he doesnt have the laser...So that means...our routes need to have deeper cuts, and get deeper and then come back farther to meet it...Brees doesnt throw a laser like rodgers...but he places it well (something colt needs to do better) but also his WRs do their job very well. It also helps that they have years of practice with each other.
I look at this season and think...We have many many holes.
Look at the rookie QBs that step in and do great things:
Andy Dalton...hes got AJ Green who he can just throw the ball near and it comes home...also Gresham is good
TJ Yates has Arian Foster and Andre Johnson...plus guys thatve been in the system forever
Ponder had AP
Cam has Steve Smith and his 2 legit backs
every good QB in the league has a go to guy...we got nothing...Give us a Brandon Lloyd and we can look better...like Bradford has. Matt Moore had Brandon Marshall even if you wanna go there.
I maintain that one more year with an improved OL and WR corps can make our offense respectable...not elite, but good enough to win 8-10 games with consistency.
I think that if there is a checklist of things that need to be improved on the offense...with the 1st being the most necessary itd look like this:
WR1
RT
RG
LG
WR2
RB
QB
RB2 (i like Ogbonnaya)
WR3 (i like Norwood)
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TE2
LT
If you replace the QB, and 5 parts of his offense are still garbage...he wont look any better...I dont know this for a fact, but i get a feeling we're going to find out this week v. Arizona. That being said...if Seneca does well...then we still dont need a QB early because we have a guy that can run the position well.
We are in need of a WR (please Blackmon, Jeffrey, or Floyd)
We are in need of a RT (Reiff, Martin, Mike Adams, Adcock (especially if we wait)
RG - Zeitler if we wait
RB - Ball or Meggett are my choices...unless we can get Trent Richardson
I think we just have greater needs than QB and they arent the kind of needs that any other position could minimize. getting a QB wouldnt make our OL better, or else we'd be running the ball better. Getting a QB wouldnt get our WRs to catch or open...maybe on occasion but not often enough to be relevent on offense. getting a QB wouldnt make our RBs hit the hole any better...it may open a few more holes...but again, not consistently enough.
While Colt isnt tearing up the world...he isnt a part of the problem.
I fully believe that because when i look at the pros v cons of him...i see more pros.
I almost hope Seneca gets a start just to see where he stacks up against someone else. If Seneca shows up and it looks similar, even if its better but not great...we know that we have other work to be done. Against AZ thats a bumme rbecause their D is a major step down from the rest of the teams we play the last 6 weeks...but, we take what we can get...they still hold teams down nad have played much better ball the last few weeks...especially on D.
I'm 100% more willing to see if getting the parts would make him and us better rather than the other way around...because if we add talent around him and we still cant score, then we know where the issue is. If we add a new QB and things still stink...well...then we wasted a pick big time, and a lot more time and money.
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Oh, well, as long as they typically aren't pick-six's...
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Oh, well, as long as they typically aren't pick-six's...
if you remember the beginning of last year, then perhaps he has a point 
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Name one player on offense that has shown more progress than McCoy.
Receivers? We don't have a 2, much less a 1.
Hillis?
Hardesty?
O-line? And JT is my favorite, hard to improve but he took a step back.
Tight Ends? And I like Moore and Watson
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Pinkston....not even close...he owns since the SEA game...both his and Lauvao's game took off since Mack started to play his position the way it is supposed to in this system....Lauvao still makes some mistakes here and there but I haven't seen a below AVG game from Pinkston since early in the season....and since pretty much ALL McCoy starts this season were well below AVG or worse he qualifies easily....even Lauvao does imho, but he's the bashing boy on this board, lol....there are really people who believe our Offense struggles because our RG has off plays....how stupid is that?
now, since there are a number of players who ARE better at their position than McCoy at his, it's harder to "get better"...if anything it's another indicator how bad McCoy's play has been as I could ask back: how many players have are worse at their position than McCoy at his in a league wide comp? You won't be able to name a lot
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there are really people who believe our Offense struggles because our RG has off plays....how stupid is that?
Every player on the line needs to be a Pro Bowler. They also need to never screw up or allow any pressures all game. Then and only then will we be able to evaluate McCoy. Then and only then can we be successful.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Every player on the line needs to be a Pro Bowler. They also need to never screw up or allow any pressures all game. Then and only then will we be able to evaluate McCoy. Then and only then can we be successful.
cmon.. whats the likelihood of having 5 pro-bowl offensive lineman.. AND THEN.. evaluating the QB?
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Every player on the line needs to be a Pro Bowler. They also need to never screw up or allow any pressures all game. Then and only then will we be able to evaluate McCoy. Then and only then can we be successful.
cmon.. whats the likelihood of having 5 pro-bowl offensive lineman.. AND THEN.. evaluating the QB?
Sarcasm. You didn't even need to dip your head for that comment to fly right over.
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NRTU.
Sure looks like the common fan has given up on McCoy...
Should McCoy or Wallace start?
Hit the "view results" button.
And no, I didn't vote. 
I don't happen to agree with benching McCoy, but the undeserved love-fest that went on at the beginning of the year not only with the fans but the media is gone. Honeymoon: Over.
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didnt check it but was the start thing for this week or going forward?
cuz this week, itd be smart to not start Colt...give him time. Hopefully he rebounds from this...maybe he can go concussion, take a week off then be aaron rodgers. Since his was against a division rival.
hopefully its not the way DA/Trent Edwards went where it was progress, progress, concussion, career.
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I think we're obviously not interested in sending him out there if he's concussed. While it IS possible, I doubt any fan feedback like that is going to take a potential concussion into consideration.
Of course I just like to keep throwing gasoline on the fire. It keeps the board interesting. 
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McCoy: 21
Wallace: 18
ATT/COMP/%
McCoy: 400/685, 54.4%
Wallace: 327/539 60.6%
YARDS/YPA
McCoy: 4310, 6.29
Wallace: 3510, 6.51
TD/INT
McCoy: 20/20
Wallace: 25/11
RUSHING:
McCoy: 348, 3.9, 1 TD
Wallace: 247, 6.5, 1 TD
QB RATING:
McCoy: 74.5
Wallace: 86.7
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Yeah Colt has thrown costly INT's. But usually not pick six's.
Oh, well, as long as they typically aren't pick-six's...
Is that really all you got out of what Woof said?
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It's called a sense of humor, Donuts.
Besides, none of us are getting anything more out of anyone else regarding McCoy. There's no information left to share that's going to shed any light on anything. We all know the numbers. We all know the situation. We all know the story. The only thing left is whether or not he's going to be the QB next year, and the final games are going to go a LOOONG way towards answering that question.
Anyway, did you read the post? Filled with pictures of McCoy? What am I supposed to get out of that? Good information? Here's just one snippet from that post:
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IMO Colt is the only player on the O that has attempted to step up.
Sorry I didn't take his rant seriously. He's allowed to rant, but that doesn't make it some great feat of enlightenment.
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First of all, I WANT to see a first round, CORRECTION, First Pick Quarterback on the Browns from the April Draft. One who can make NFL, throws, One who has arm strength. One who can hit an out route receiver at the sideline quickly after the snap. One who can develop behind McCoy, and is Oh I don't know... Not a smurf. ( ya ya and a compass in the stock and this thing which tells time. ) I DON'T CARE! If they waste the 1st pick they have on a quarterback who never works out I DON'T CARE. (Because they have another 1st round pick this year). (and I'm not saying trade up ) I"m Watching Colt McCoy , and I'm seeing Jon Kitna, I'm seeing Jeff Blake, and I am never going to see better. End of Story. He's like Kordell Stewart. Wait Wait, seriously, if your talking the 2 minute offense, those 3 are all better than Colt McCoy. league comparisons. If one can list 16 qbs in the NFl today, who on any given sunday might be one of the top 10 best QBs in the league, then one could argue one of those 16 has a chance. Can anybody argue that McCoy is a top 20 QB in the league today. I don't think he's even in the top 30, and maybe thats his offense holding him back, but in this offense, that never Never has a chance at a 70 yd pass play, Never has a chance to score in 4 plays from the farthest parts of the field. McCoy can't make the throws, he is not making the throws, He is not scoring points, he is not getting anyone else to score points. I'm tired of watching it. This offense dose not stretch the field, does not throw the deep pass. The short passes aren't working because the defenses don't have to WORRY about anyone on the Browns getting a deep pass. Look at the SuperBowl, Look at the AFC championship game, Look at the NFC championship game. This is a passing league, This is a passing league, This is a passing league. Watching this Browns offense, is like the imaginary ride on that High speed 35 mph train from Cincinnati to Cleveland with 110 stops along the way. A 7 hour trip from Columbus to Cleveland on a train that stops at least a dozen times along the way. Who wants tickets? That's like the Browns WCO offense, 23 completions and they'll get in the red zone. I should just type, I hate the WCO. I hate the Browns O, doesn't stretch the field. and leave it at that. Get a Quarterback! Get a Quarterbackkk!!!
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so many of your rants has nothing to do with Colt....
He does throw a nice deep pass when he is allowed.
We just don't get to ever see it because those are not the plays Shurmur calls.
that probably has to deal with the fact that our WR core doesn't fight for the ball and doesn't come back to the ball. it also doesn't help that have dropped a lot of pass plays that would have increased Colt's average yards per pass.
Just sayin.
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NRTU.
Sure looks like the common fan has given up on McCoy...
Should McCoy or Wallace start?
Hit the "view results" button.
And no, I didn't vote.
I don't happen to agree with benching McCoy, but the undeserved love-fest that went on at the beginning of the year not only with the fans but the media is gone. Honeymoon: Over.
The average fan doesn't want him hurt more! He needs to fully recover. That is all this says to me... Shame on you Toad.
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NRTU.
Sure looks like the common fan has given up on McCoy...
Should McCoy or Wallace start?
Hit the "view results" button.
And no, I didn't vote.
I don't happen to agree with benching McCoy, but the undeserved love-fest that went on at the beginning of the year not only with the fans but the media is gone. Honeymoon: Over.
i've given up on the white jerseys...
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And the common fan doesn't know jack squat and is so short-sighted they can't see the end of their nose.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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It's called a sense of humor, Donuts.
Besides, none of us are getting anything more out of anyone else regarding McCoy. There's no information left to share that's going to shed any light on anything. We all know the numbers. We all know the situation. We all know the story. The only thing left is whether or not he's going to be the QB next year, and the final games are going to go a LOOONG way towards answering that question.
This part I agree with most of.
Except that the rest of this year will tell anything more than we have WAY more issues than QB.
If Seneca goes out there. And has a great game.
Then it will be Anderson all over again. I can't wait to read all the "I told you so" threads that the message board franchisee's post when things go their way for a bit. 
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Anyway, did you read the post? Filled with pictures of McCoy? What am I supposed to get out of that? Good information?
I put the picutres there for those of you who do not understand words.
It was not to show "Colt".
Did you read the bottom of my post? Or did you skip the rest of the beauty shots of the guy you hate most?
It was to show how he, just like the last number of QB's thru here.
Have been running for their lives. Including a couple Pro-Bowlers.
And it is always the same every two years begging for a new QB/ Coach/ FO over and over again.
Only to see if fail miserably on the field.
Aren't any of you guys willing to stop being so tunnel visioned with this team?
I am not asking for 5 Pro-bowlers on the line.
Just 1-2 guys to step up their game.
Toad. Normally you have a huge page of thought out reasons why someone is looking at something all wrong.
OK tell me. I swear I do not need pictures.
Sometimes you are spot on.
And the times when you have no argument.
Well, we get vieled insults.
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And your rants are? 
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woofer, I'm doing this from my phone, so i'll apologize if the spelling, syntax, or grammer is jacked, and I won't use the quote function for the sake of my fingers!
I actually agree that the problems aren't all on the qb. I've got posts all over the place saying that. However, you didn't point one finger at colt. Not one, and he's FAR from blameless in this mess. You blamed the entire defense, the receivers, and the oline, all while throwing up all these pics of mccoy getting tackled.
Your post isn't just about trying to show there are other problems. You're painting mccoy as a victim. BIG difference.
Now, you're fully entitled to that opinion. However, the comedic value of saying most of his int's aren't returned for td's while simultaneously using that as a defense for him was priceless. Surely you gotta see that! :-D now if Daman wasn't spending so much time holding an umbrella over mccoys head he might have been able to see the humor in it, but oversensitivity has reared its ugly head yet again. Such is often the case when people....like me....are highly critical of a fan-favorite.
With the over-the-top way you made the post, it stopped being "informative" and blew all the way over to rant-mode, and I was fine with that. The one quote I picked out was done in an ironically humerous way. How could I take the post as being serious in nature when you say flat-out that you think mccoy is the only guy actually trying to step up his game?
So....when I post rants, what do they mean? They arent designed to inform. They are just rants. ;-).
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He does throw a nice deep pass when he is allowed.
I think we've been so traumatized by the abuse, that we tend to let a few nice plays stick around in our minds longer than they should. Brady Quinn vs. an awful Lions defense comes to mind ... DA lived off of lighting up a few chumps ...
He's thrown some nice deep passes when he was allowed. He's also thrown bad deep passes when he was allowed.
As far as I'm concerned, he's not the QB of the future, but I do think he'll make a nice back-up. We all know the price of a horrid back-up QB by now.
In the meantime, he'll have a few more cracks at changing minds.
I do think we'll have a look at an intriguing QB prospect one way or the other ... I don't know that we'll go there ... but either way, I think McCoy's going to be around for awhile. Wouldn't surprise me to see him as the Week 1 starter next year.
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