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Nathan Williams was the only Buckeye to stick around and sing Carmen Ohio after today's loss. Everyone else left. This a Buckeye tradition that always happened, win or lose. I think Shazier was there too.
I hope Urban grills them during the offseason. Peen is the tyoe of guy to not put up with BS?
I think that became a tradition under Tressel. I don't think it goes past that. Now that Tress is gone, it maybe shows how excited the guys were about that tradition??
Anyway....wasn't your worst season the no win season of last year, or was it the year before.??
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I have a Blackmon man crush, so last night only solidified my desire for the Browns to pick him. As I stated in another thread, my expertise consists of watching him and being impressed with him, FWIW.
But, he just looks like he plays mean. I'd love to have a guy like that on one side, and another mean, physical guy like Little on the other side. Punish those AFC North DBs.
That being said, man, Luck was just as impressive. He kind of lulls you to sleep, then he just delivers a perfect strike. The one last night late in the game where he rolled right and threw a perfect spiral, hitting the guy in stride. Wow.
If we get boned outta all these QB's...I'm having little problem with taking Blackmon...
I don't care if he's 6'1"...The dude's gonna be a STUD...
He already looks like a "Man-Child"...Kinda like that Douche that used to play for the Cavaliers...
Speed???...Please...
He and Little with MoMass and Norwood would be a solid core...Blackmon is a #1 from Day One...And Little's gonna grow into it...Talk about BIG PLAY potential...Especially if we have a QB that hit these guys in stride...
Ink Hillis or find another and get a RT in here and there's NO EXCUSES...
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Speed???...Please...
Yep. When he got in the open field, I didn't see anyone running him down. Could some of the DBs in the NFL? Yeah. But not many, IMO.
Plus, I keep thinking about that 4th down catch he made. That was the most impressive to me.
Not only was it a nice route, but that was a bullet throw by Weeden. Also, it's a clutch situation, which sometimes makes guys start thinking a little bit, and that's when drops happen.
Instead, he catches it, then literally throws a would-be tackler on the ground.
If my son hadn't been sleeping, I might have jumped off the couch yelling.
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Speed???...Please...
As in HE GOTTA PLENTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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As in HE GOTTA PLENTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 And, if anyone caught up to him, he'd just throw them into the ground. 
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I was impressed with Blackmon last night. They said he was playing injured too? Wow. That's just incredible. He looked like the fastest guy on the field.
I still don't know if i would take him at 4 ..... but I'm not as opposed to it as I was.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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the only reason I wouldn't consider Blackmon at #4 is if he was picked in the top3 
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I have a Blackmon man crush, so last night only solidified my desire for the Browns to pick him. As I stated in another thread, my expertise consists of watching him and being impressed with him, FWIW.
But, he just looks like he plays mean. I'd love to have a guy like that on one side, and another mean, physical guy like Little on the other side. Punish those AFC North DBs.
That being said, man, Luck was just as impressive. He kind of lulls you to sleep, then he just delivers a perfect strike. The one last night late in the game where he rolled right and threw a perfect spiral, hitting the guy in stride. Wow.
After watching him last night Im sold on him as well. Sign me up on the Blackmon bandwagon.
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'bout time y'all start coming around on things. IMO, Blackmon has ALWAYS been our #1 choice for this draft. If he isn't there, my first inclination is to then try to trade down and stockpile more picks.
Browns is the Browns
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I was thinking along the same lines before we went and got ourselves the #4 pick.
I see 4 'elite' prospects in this draft. We are at draft pick #4. So, I would like one of them.
Luck - #1 overall
Blackmon - StL needs but they could trade down
Kalil - Minny's likely #1 priority
Claiborne - not a bad consolation prize despite the much higher need on the offensive side.
RGIII - I suspect MIA/WAS will overpay to draft him #2 though I view him slightly below the above prospects (yes, I would draft him over Claiborne and Kalil for the Browns - I'm talking generic big-board here)
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Nessler > Musberger
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Who to watch...
I like Mike Martin, DT #68 on Michigan, 4th/5th rounder who has a great motor and strong base, would be a good backup DT for our line.
Danny Coale from VT, WR #19, as an undrafted FA, but still like his game and as a UDFA costs next to nothing to give him a shot. Just another 'hustle' guy, with good speed as well, reminds me a bit of Sanzenbacher from OSU last year, now with Chicago.
These are not the only two I am interested in, but two I like slightly more than I've heard ppl talk about.
January 3rd
Sugar Bowl; New Orleans; 8 PM ET; ESPNU
Michigan (10-2) vs. Virginia Tech (10-3)
Tonight’s Sugar Bowl duel between #6 ranked Arkansas and 8th rated Kansas State … wait that’s the Cotton Bowl later this week which is not a BCS bowl. The Sugar Bowl, which is a bigger paying BCS game has Virginia Tech and Michigan, the 11th and 13th ranked teams in the country. Not that either the Hokies or Wolverines are bad teams, but there several other teams out there much more deserving of being in one of the elite games. But that’s the system and we can only hope that someday it’s tossed in the garbage.
Unfortunately, neither team is exactly loaded with top prospects for the 2012 draft. Indeed, its unlikely anyone playing in this year’s Sugar Bowl will be a first round pick this coming April. However, Virginia Tech des have a couple of juniors with second-day potential in CB Jayron Hosley (#20, 5-10, 175), a ball-hawker supreme who led the entire NCAA wth nine picks in 2010, although he lacks prototype size and speed, and emerging RB David Wilson (#4, 5-10, 205), who could be a better prospect than former Hokies‘s RB Ryan Williams, the 38th player taken this past spring. Virginia Tech also has a big, physical offensive line anchored by a couple of mid-round prospects in OT Blake DeChristopher (#62, 6-5, 315) and OG Jaymes Brooks (#68, 6-2, 310). Same story for FS Eddie Whitley (#15, 6-1, 190) and big-play WR Danny Coale (#19, 5-11,195), while RB Josh Oglesby (#2, 5-10, 10), who played FB last year, could be something of a sleeper. At the same time, junior ILB Bruce Taylor (#51, 6-2, 255) is a full-sized tackling machine with mid-round potential if he surprises people and opts to enter this year‘s draft. The key to the Hokies fortunes, though, will be rangy sophomore QB Logan Thomas (#3, 6-5, 245), a
The draft pickings likely will be even leaner at Michigan as the Wolverines may still be a
year or two away from having a big impact early at the draft. C David Molk (#50, 6-2, 290), DT Mike Martin (#68, 6-1, 300), DE Ryan Van Bergen (#53, 6-5, 285), and TE Kevin Koger (#86, 6-4, 255), though, do have mid-to-late round potential for 2012, while OT Mark Huyge (#72, 6-5,
310), WR Junior Hemmingway (#21, 6-1, 225) and oft-injured CB Troy Woolfolk (#29, 6-0, 190) could attract some free-agent consideration. The key Wolverine, though, is star junior QB Denard Robinson (#16, 5-11, 195), who ran for over 2,800 yards over the past two seasons last fall, while passing for another 4,700 yards. Robinson, in fact, has reportedly asked for an evaluation from the NFL‘s special draft advisory board, but likely will have to find a different position to succeed at the next level as he lacks the size and arm strength to rate as anything more than a marginal prospect as a pro passer.
Who To Watch
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I forgot all about Coale also doing some punting duties, has a 44 yard average on 12 punts, not that many but best on the team. He did have a horrible fake punt attempt, not sure who decided that, him or the coaches, but it wasn't good. Still he is worth a look in the later rounds now perhaps. They were just talking about him saying his teammates have him running a rough 4.3(ish) and call him 'White Lightening',  . This isn't a direct comparison but maybe he's more like Jordy Nelson with wheels that are 'just fast enough'.
He is putting on quite a show in this game, imo (8 rec for 108yds). Liking him more and more with every game I watch of his. He also has returned several punts, so a special team demon could be his start in the NFL.
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Tonight's 'big bowl match-up'.
Several guys to like, but none truly stand out to me, aside from Thompson. Branch, Thompson (seniors), Hall and Allen (who are juniors) of course for Clemson and Irvin for WV are the 'main attractions'. But there are some intriguing later round guys; Don Barclay (T/G option, imo), Keith Tandy (CB), and Julian Miller (DE) for WV.
Thompson is probably the only contender for the 1st round, but the other guys are guys who could go higher than expected and turn into solid players, perhaps even superstars (could happen) in the NFL.
January 4th
Orange Bowl; Miami; 8 PM ET; ESPNU
Clemson (10-3) vs. West Virginia (9-3)
The countdown to the only bowl that really matters next week continues with Clemson meeting West Virginia in the Orange Bowl that likely absolutely outside South Carolina or West Virginia could care less about. At least pro scouts will be watching as Clemson, in particular, has several very good prospects for the upcoming draft. In particular, Clemson has a number of top 100 prospects including
DT Brandon Thompson (#98, 6-2, 310), a potential mid-first rounder, along with
DE Andre Branch (#40, 6-5, 260) and
juniors Andre Ellington (#23, 5-9, 190), a scatback with sub-4.4 speed,
TE Dwayne Allen (#83, 6-4, 255), and
FS Rashard Hall (#31, 6-1, 200).
Clemson also has several later round or free agent prospects pro scouts will be tracking including
OG Antoine McClain (#74, 6-4, 330),
OTs Landon Walker (#72, 6-5, 310) and
OT Phillip Price (#79, 6-5, 300),
FB Chad Diehl (#30, 6-1, 265),
DT Rennie Moore (#94, 6-3, 270),
DE Kourtnei Brown (#90, 6-4, 250), and
P Dawson Zimmerman (#96, 6-2, 205).
The guy at Clemson that everyone is talking about, though, is true freshman WR Sammy Watkins (#2, 6-0, 200) who is averaging over 100 receiving yards per game and has scored 6 times in his first four career games, while sophomore QB Tahj Boyd (#10, 6-1, 225) is the key to the Tigers’ offense.
In contrast to Clemson, West Virginia isn’t likely to have anyone selected in this year’s opening round, but does have a couple of second-day prospects in
DE Bruce Irvin (#11, 6-3, 235), a freakish athlete who led the country with 14 sacks in 2010, but slipped to 7.5 this year,
CB Keith Tandy (#8, 5-10, 200), who picked off 9 passes over the past couple of seasons, while
DE Julian Miller (#97, 6-3, 260) and
LT Don Barclay (#64, 6-4, 305) are also mid-to-late round prospects and
SLB Najee Goode (#52, 6-0, 240) should at least generate some free agent interest.
At the same time, West Virginia has a very good run pass-run combination with
junior QB Geno Smith (#12, 6-2, 215) throwing to WRs
WR Tavon Austin (#1, 5-9, 180), a junior who caught 89 passes this fall and doubles as one of the more dangerous kick returners in the country, and
sophomore Stedman Bailey (#3, 5-9, 190), a big-play threat who averaged just under 18 yards per catch this season. In fact, the athletic Smith, who completed 65% of his pass attempts for almost 4,000 yards and 25 scores against only 7 picks, could be a bit of a sleeper if he pulls a surprise and enters this year’s draft.
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Seriously, we gotta get that guy!
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The best player in the game tonight is a freshman...
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Why the heck has there been absolutely no defense in these bowl games? Did every good defender just go to LSU, and all the other D-I teams were left with the scraps?
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plenty of defense in VaTech v. Michigan. Hokies contained Denard pretty well and Michigan stopped VaTech (though their offense is nothing special)
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Ready to eat my giant poop sandwich after saying Ball was a lock to come out, he decided yesterday to come back to Wisconsin for another year.
I just don't see how going back is a good idea. 40 TD's or whatever, your stock is probably at an all time high. Plus Wisconsin loses Wilson so Ball may not see coverage backed up like he did this year. I think it's a very very risky move.
Plus I know the money in round 1 is nice, but being a 2/3 round talent (I think he can possibly go in the second because of the lack of really really good RB's in this draft) can possibly land you on a very good team which means good yards and probably not so much attention from the defense. I guess you can slice it a bunch of different ways.
Either way, I think the guy is going to be a really solid pro. He's not going to freak you out like Adrian Peterson or how Trent Richardson might be able to, but he's gonna be a pretty dependable back.
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I agree on this. Really weird to see him go back. What I worry about as well is the mileage. You know some people will start to question the workload placed upon him from 160 carries to 307 this year ... and without Russel Wilson he might even get more.
Still, there will probably be people clamoring a year from now about the tread on his tires is my guess... and he might also get worn down / hurt late in the year as a result of it. But good luck to the guy I suppose?
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Wisconsin always seems to have RBs by the dozens (might have something to do with that OL), so I suspect they'll keep his carries in check with another back if needed.
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I think the one thing is though, I heard it somewhere so I don't know the exact numbers, but like a huge portion of his touchdowns he actually went untouched, so maybe the abuse won't be that bad, lol.
I still think if you are a good back, and you make it through your junior year healthy, you have no reason to stick around. Go earn money. No sense in doing it for free anymore. You can always go back to school if you want to finish a degree. That is such a brutal position that you can't blame anyone for jumping ship early.
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Lots of good players to watch tonight, wish I had more time to get into them, but gotta run so I can be back in time for the game. 
Tried to make it easier to read, no promises though.
January 6th
Cotton Bowl; Dallas; 8:00 PM ET; Fox
Arkansas (10-2) vs. Kansas State (10-2)
The Cotton Bowl, which of course used to be one of the main New Year’s Day games before falling on hard times, appears to be on the way back with what is easily the best non-BCS bowl match-up this year. Indeed, its not hard to make the case that this year’s Cotton Bowl between #6 Arkansas and #8 Kansas State is a more BCS worthy match-up that an least a couple of this year’s actual BCS games. Certainly, Arkansas, which lost only road games at #1 ranked LSU and #2 Alabama deserves to be in a BCS bowl. What makes the Hogs’ record even more impressive this year is that they did after graduating star QB Ryan Mallett to the pros this past April and then losing emerging RB Knile Davis (#7, 5-11, 230) to what turned out to be a season ending foot injury in August. However, despite losing Mallett who was a 3rd round pick by New England at the 2011 draft, the Arkansas passing attack hasn’t skipped a beat with emerging
junior QB Travis Wilson (#8, 6-3, 215) throwing to one of college football‘s best receiver corps led by speedy
WRs Jairus Wright (#4, 5-9, 180)
and Joe Adams (#3, 5-11, 190). For the record, Wright caught 63 passes for over 1,000 yards and 11 TDs, while Adams had 49 receptions and also returned 3 punts for scores. The Hogs‘ receivers also include
WR Greg Childs (#85, 6-3, 220), who had been considered to be an ever better prospect but has been slow to come back from torn patella tendon suffered at the end of the 2010 season, although he remains a big target with decent speed who will likely be the subject of some intense scrutiny from pro teams during pre-draft testing. On the other side of the ball,
underrated MLB Jerry Franklin (#34, 6-0, 245) and
FS Tramain Thomas (#5, 6-0, 200) are solid mid-round prospects, while
DE Jake Bequette (#91, 6-4, 275), who had 8 sacks this fall, is a high energy 3-4 DE prospect.
Kansas State isn’t likely to have anyone drafted all that early this coming April, but it is also a very entertaining team to watch and a nightmare to try and defend. The star of the show is
junior QB Collin Klein (#7, 6-5, 230), a dual-threat who could figure in the Heisman race next year after he ran for over 1,100 yards and 26 TDs this fall. In fact, most of the Wildcats best players are underclassmen including
junior LB Arthur Brown (#46, 6-1, 225), who led the team in tackles after transferred from Miami,
junior CB Nigel Malone (#24, 5-9, 180), a junior college transfer who had 7 picks this fall, and
freshman WR/KR Tyler Lockett (#16, 5-10, 170). At the same time, K-State has several veteran players who figure to get some late-round or free agent interest this year including
SS Tysyn Hartman (#2, 6-2, 210),
CB David Garnett (#27, 5-8, 175),
DTs Ray Kibble (#95, 6-3, 305) and
Raphael Guidry (#94, 6-3, 290),
OTs Zach Hanson (#70, 6-7, 320) and
Clyde Aufner (#75, 6-5, 305), and
OG Colten Freeze (#77, 6-4, 305). Who To Watch
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HORRIBLE decision by Ball. If he's a 3rd round pick after the season he just had, I don't see how adding another 250-300 carries is going to make him more valuable.
RB's life span is counted in carries and years somewhere less then 7 or 8 so why waste another year? Don't give me the education piece b/c he can do that in the summer when Madison is really really nice.
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HORRIBLE decision by Ball. If he's a 3rd round pick after the season he just had, I don't see how adding another 250-300 carries is going to make him more valuable.
RB's life span is counted in carries and years somewhere less then 7 or 8 so why waste another year? Don't give me the education piece b/c he can do that in the summer when Madison is really really nice.
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Unless he's financially set, it's a dumb decision. Like you said, how much more can you raise your stock after the season you just had?
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Yeah, I like Wright, he could go in the 4th, I was thinking more 5th/6th, but he is fast, has good hands.
Joe Adams is one Ive watched a lot as well, another mid-late rounder, and can return punts, as evidenced by the nice return for TD he had.
Bequette is one I liked going into this game as a late rounder, 4th-6th, probably more 5/6. But I like his game, have watched 7 or 8 games of Arks and he has always made a play. Would love to get him in those later rounds as a solid backup and possible eventual starter, but at minimum very solid depth for years.
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He's been making great catches for a while.
I could see him hitting the mid to late 3rd round.
Great job by the Hogs. Keep the SEC banner flying high.
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I thought K states free safety Tysyn Hartman looked pretty good. He seemed to be around the ball alot until he was injured.
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I hope you meant to write 34 (OLB)
I didn't write it up, but I think he'd be an outstanding later pick for DE spot. He plays the RDE already, so he knows the position well, he holds up against the run, seals the outside. I could see him as an OLB in a 34, but I'd like him as a RDE to start with and would expect him to get a lot of playing time with the usualy DL rotation.
Forget who said it, but yes the safety for KSU was doing a nice job but took a wicked hit that didn't knock him out, but did knock him out of knowing who or where he was. Still he was hustling around back there prior to that hit.
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Today's 'who to watch' will be a little different, as the page I usually link to has nothing up for this game, so I will list the players I know about.
BBVA Compass Bowl, 1pm EST
For Pitt:
Brandon Lindsey, OLB, 6-2, 250, (#7). Has played DE and OLB at Pitt. Has good speed and we could use him in either spot. Has two pretty good DT's who take a lot of the pressure off of him (one of them up next). Lindsey ranks 3rd on the team in TFL's (11.0) behind both the DT's, and 2nd in sacks (8.5), behind one of the DT's. Late 2nd to more realistically a third or fourth rounder.
Chas Alecxih, DT, 6-4, 285, (#98). 13.5 TFL's, and 5.5 sacks, could see a 34 team taking him, but wouldn't be opposed to a 4th or 5th on him, if he were still there, and seeing if he can provide that kind of pressure for us. (Note: The other DT, Aaron Donald (#97) is a sophomore, but someone to keep your eye on, leads the team in TFL's and sacks (15.0 & 10.0 respectfully).
Lucas Nix, OG, 6-5, 310, (#52). Bit of a mauler, but not exceptional feet. Mid rounds.
(Junior) Ray Graham, RB, 5-9, 195, (#1), leads team in rushing (958 yds with 9 TD's) and has added 30 receptions. Only listing him because so many junior RB's have declared and he could, shouldn't... but could. If he did declare I think 5th is his earliest hope because he isn't an every down back, but as a 3rd down guy he could provide value.
Max Gruder, ILB, 6-1, 230, (#55). Always hear the name and think of the bad guy (Alan Rickman) from Die Hard, this guy isn't as evil, but plays a bit mean. Late rounds at best.
The rest of the guys from Pitt are most likely late rounders or most likely UDFA.
Greg Williams, OLB, 6-2, 240, (#38) - could sneak into being picked.
Antuan Reed, CB, 5-10, 190, (#22).
Chris Jacobson, OG, 6-2, 295, (#54).
Buddy Jackson, CB, 6-0, 180, (#21)
Myles Caragein, DT, 6-2, 290, (#94), used in their DT rotation, but not nearly as explosive as the other two.
Zach Brown (not the one from NC), RB, 5-10, 220, (#4). Main backup to starter Ray Graham.
SMU:
I doubt anyone gets picked from SMU, but could happen... the most likely is
Taylor Thompson, DE, 6-6, 287, (#8)
The other 'notable' seniors are;
Kelvin Beachum, OG, 6-3, 306, (#70) and
Cole Beasley, WR, 5-8, 178, (#11), had 79 rec, 954 yds, and 2 TD's.
enjoy!
Statistics are like a bikini; what they show is interesting, but what they hide is vital.
Drive for show (1st round), Putt for dough (rest of draft).
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