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I love Jamal Lewis. He'll be in the Ravens Ring of Honor one day... but um, in all honesty he's only in Cleveland for 1 reason, money. At this point in his career you've all bought a defective bill of goods. Gary Baxter part II, imo. #1 he can't pile up stats vs.the Browns anymore, #2 he said this: "Hopefully, we can do it to other teams now..." That about says it all.
The Browns front office would be crazy not to draft AP, imo.


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I don't have a problem with them drafting AP, as long as they move down to do it. For me it draft order at the 3rd pick should be this

1) Thomas
2) Johnson
3) Peterson
4) Quinn

If they want AP they should move down. In a normal situation I'd have Johnson over Thomas but the fact that Thomas would shore up 2 positions with 1 pick (moving Shaffer to RT) I edge him higher.

I know, WR, but when it comes to the draft nothing is gauranteed and you need to take the BPA because BPA should be the player with the least chance of being a bust and highest return. Calvin is the BPA IMO and should definatly be selected before AP if we stay at 3. JMHO

(BTW I was assuming Raiders are taking JR)


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And "so far" I have NOT seen Savage address a "single position" in the FA market and then "double up" by addressing that same position high in the draft in the same season. Not that I always agree with that,just reporting what I've seen.





My question would be: Why?

First, how many "doubled up" positions are actually required for one position? Since it generally takes two good backs in this league to make a tandem (sarcasm/off *L*) we do in fact have a hole at RB. We've signed an aging vet who's near the end and a kid who broke down and has proven nothing to one year contracts. That's hardly stability into the future.

Now we can say that Savage signed McGinnest to man one OLB position then drafted Wimbley #1 to man the other. That's not one single position, but there isn't another single position on the team where it's very important to have two guys who can split the load. RB is it. We can also say that Savage signed Jurevicius in the same year he took Wilson with a 1st day selection.

Then there's the simple common sense factor. We don't have a longterm back on this team, as they are either unproven nobodies with big holes in their game or aging vets with little tread on the wheels. Droughns was the closest thing to a longtermer two years ago, but everyone knew his time was short (though maybe not THIS short).

You may find this to be a spin job, but I equate the requirement of two backs for a split-back system to be nearly as important as having two OLB's who can do the job in the 3-4. Stewart has manned the position, but what has he done to distinguish himself? Wright/Suggs/Green manned the position, but what had they done to distinguish themselves? The entire load fell on Droughns, who did a really good job in '05 but broke down in '06. So from where I'm sitting, I see that we've signed one starting caliber RB and have a need for another, with the obvious reality that we don't have any legit backs signed for even 2008.

Peterson isn't my choice, but I'll understand it if we take him. RB is an obvious need just the way WR was a need when we took Wilson. We knew Dropcutt was gone and that Joe was nearing the end. Denise is gone and Glass-Joe broke down, just like he always does. This means Peterson is in play. Is he a favorite? I can't say that, but we do have a need there and he'd make sense.


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GMAB...U talk as if everyone has blinders on.. :
We know what the guy is..Phil knows..why U think it WAS A FREAKING ONE YEAR DEAL??

Baxter was not injury prone before he came here..and he was brought in because his run support was better than Henry's who didn't even want to negotiate with Phil because of Butch..
You're not starting me to panic or get annoyed about the move..try it on someone else who don't get it..
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Plus.. running the ball will:

lead to less sacks..
lead to less INTs.. (i hope)
lead to more rushing TD's...
lead to more rushing yards per game...
lead to a high TD percentage in the red zone...




Doesn't a good line do the same?


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Toad. Can I tell you a secret?..........................

Between our draft picks and this FA crop? There isn't enough quality to fill all the holes we have ONCE,much less twice!

But do me a favor? Keep this just between the two of us,because I'm having fun watching everyone who thinks we can...................



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Pit it was made known the Browns would target two/three areas..it's simple..but that doesn't mean they wont take a player who upgrades a position..
Phil should be wise and not blow his bucks ..
I expect a lower tier DT/DE/OG/CB ..and getting a Potiential starter in the draft..at least thats what I would do.

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Good signing by the Browns. Jamal is a good RB with a lot of power. Now, that you guys have Jamal, this could really widen out the Browns draft. Most likely, the Browns will pass on Peterson now that Jamal is here and I think Thomas will go to the Lions unless the Raiders pass on Jamarcus Russell. If Thomas is not around, the Browns could trade there pick to a team that really wants Calvin Johnson like the Vikings, Dolphins, etc. This could give the Browns some more picks in the draft and give them more depth for next year

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I think we can get a day 1 starter and yet another starter by week 6 out of this draft depending on how the picks go late in round 1. And I think another starter will yet be addressed in the FA market. Maybe not a day 1 starter,but a starter by mid season.

JMHO


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Welcome to the board.

I don't see how the Lewis siging would change the Browns drafting for Peterson. It is a one year deal. Essentially a prove your worth to me arrangement.

Lewis is an upgrade over Droughns. But the dropoff between Lewis and the current crop of runners is such that AP or another back (Bush Hunt) could be in the cards.


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Instead of drafting Peterson I had a thought today. Apparently Julius Jones is on the trade block and it is said he could be had for a 3rd rounder.

Jones is a pretty good back and he is only 25 years old, I would be willing to bring him in to compete or share carries that way we would be more able to draft more positions of need.

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I think that could pay big dividends considering the investment.

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Hopefully Savage is looking into this. I think this would be a pretty good move on his part.

I wouldn't give up any more than a 3rd round pick though.

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About this one-year signing:

It seems that all the talk is about Jamal Lewis being here only for the year that he's inked. I dunno, but it seems to me that if his bone spur probs are fixed, and he can return to at least near-form... what would prevent Phil from re-upping his contract for '08? He'd still have at least another year, maybe two of productivity. To steal a quote by K2: "Jamal Lewis at 80% is better than pretty much anyone we've had since '99."

If AP really is in the cards for us this year, it could concieveably give us some solid reliable backfield production for 2 or more years.

Lawdy knows we could use the picks/FA's elsewhere, as well.

What am I missing here?


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I think the situation is this...

Priorities (assuming Shaun Smith is not matched by Cincy)

1) There is an immediate need for another OL.

2) There is an immediate need to find a DE to replace McKinley

3) There is a need to find a DE to improve the run defense (Roye is old and Fraser needs to get stronger against the run)

4) There is a need to find another CB.

5) There is a long term need to find a RB.

6) There is a long term need to find out if QB (Frye or Anderson) is the long term solution.

So basically the Browns have 5 to 6 players to fill

You can go into a draft assuming that you can fill 2 spots with rookies. If the Browns are really lucky they get 3 players. RB an QB can wait until next year.


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