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Not on either side of the Michigan v. Ohio State v. Michigan State argument ...


But it's similar to the LSU scenario with Bama a few weeks ago. Bama wasn't even good enough to win thier own division ... and by losing to LSU they got a bye week. LSU was rewarded then with a game versus Georgia. Shouldn't the loss of an extra game be better than not qualifying for a game at all?

Otherwise you could have had a situation where if LSU lost to Georgia on an upset then we could have had Bama (not even qualifying for the conference game) playing in the title against an Oklahoma State or Oregon or someone...

Same with Michigan. They weren't good enough to make it to the title yet get a BCS bowl?

It's like saying the kid who took the extra honors courses and got a B in a tougher class isn't viewed as good as the kid who got an A in the easy class.

It's what I hate about college football. Teams get a reputation and are then judged to be the best rather than actually have to play. It's why the big guys open up with games against Youngstown State, Kent State, Akron, Eastern Michigan .... I just don't think a loss against a good team should be a bad thing and in some cases it should be good. I'd rather have a team losing to a ranked team (if it's close) then winning and beating up a 1-AA.... And if you aren't even good enough to play in your title then why do you get a top bowl game?

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It's what I hate about college football. Teams get a reputation and are then judged to be the best rather than actually have to play. It's why the big guys open up with games against Youngstown State, Kent State, Akron, Eastern Michigan .... I just don't think a loss against a good team should be a bad thing and in some cases it should be good.

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The problem is that there is relatively little interconference play.. most teams play 1, MAYBE 2 interconfernce games a year (against other good schools).. so if I go to a gym to play basketball and you go to a different gym to play basketball and after a period of time, you are undefeated and I have one loss, does that mean you are better than me? Since we didn't play any of the same competition, it's impossible to tell. You could have played a bunch of 4'10" girls and I could have played Chris Paul and lost by 1.. (though I think I could beat him because he doesn't go left very well. )

The whole bowl season does a better job of showing you which conferences are better than it does of actually figuring out who the best team is...

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So a team shouldn't get penalized for losing? Should they hand out a runner up trophy as well? Maybe some participation awards?

I'm kidding. But seriously, how do you not penalize a team for losing? That just seems ridiculous. The game counts if you win it, why should it not count if you lose it?

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I wouldn't count it as a negative to where they are bumped from a BCS game in favor of a team they beat and finished higher in the standing in it's own division.

IMO the winner of the B10 championship game gets the title, the loser took second but a team that wasn't good enough to play in the championship game gets ranked higher on the computer? Sorry doesn't make sense to me. Mich. St. got screwed again two years in a row.

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Michigan's SOS was #23 (OCC opponent record 29-19)

Ohio State's SOS was #17 (OCC opponent record 21-27)

That's such a marginal difference that it's not even worth talking about.

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I never compared them to tOSU schedule, tOSU played the freaking worst team in division 1 (Akron) and got to play Indiana the worst team in the B10. I was talking about in conference games and Michigan didn't have to play Penn St. or Wisconsin, the 1st and 2nd best teams in the Leaders Division. And out of the Michigans four toughest games they had all year three of them were at home (which kudos to them for winning them) and they lost their toughest game (Mich. St.) which was away.

All I was saying it was kind of a perfect storm season the way the schedule laid out for them. They improved, not saying they didn't just they had a favorable schedule with home field advantage on most of the tough games.

I want this guy to come to OSU! jeez what a freak

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6635849

Dorial Green-Beckham!!!!!!!! WE GOTTA GET THIS GUY! (the browns in 2016!)

Just saw Heacock wasn't retained?

Was he ready to move on?

Just trying to understand why he wouldn't be kept around.

In the 7 years he was DC at OSU.....

Total defense:

2005: #4
2006: #13
2007: #1
2008: #9
2009: #5
2010: #2
2011: #24

What am I missing here?

I am 99% he wants to retire.

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Just saw Heacock wasn't retained?

Was he ready to move on?

Just trying to understand why he wouldn't be kept around.

In the 7 years he was DC at OSU.....

Total defense:

2005: #4
2006: #13
2007: #1
2008: #9
2009: #5
2010: #2
2011: #24

What am I missing here?

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I could be wrong here, But wasnt Fickell retained as the DC ?

yes, Fickell will be the DC moving forward.

Well he doesn't "officially" have the title of DC yet, but he will call the plays according to Meyer. I would also love to see us land Withers as well, he did a great job with that NC defense under Butch (who is a great defensive mind also).

Dunn also confirmed his commitment, sorry scUM fans!


http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/12/14/meyer-fickell-will-call-defense.html

Ohio State football: Fickell will call defense, Meyer says
New coach also looking at North Carolina’s interim top man

Urban Meyer hasn’t quite decided what to call Luke Fickell, at least in terms of a title on the 2012 Ohio State coaching staff.

But Meyer did say yesterday that Fickell will be calling the defensive plays, and he might have a fellow former interim head coach at his side.

In football nomenclature, it would seem to indicate that Fickell will be, in some form or fashion, the defensive coordinator on Meyer’s first coaching staff at OSU.

“He’ll call the defenses,” Meyer said during an interview on WBNS-FM (97.1) yesterday afternoon. “All the other titles in this day and age … I know Luke is not worried about it.

“Probably the most impressive thing about Luke is he’s a man’s man. He loves football. He loves Ohio State. And he loves his wife and kids — we talk about his wife and kids as much as we talk about football right now. I really enjoy that.”

But insiders say Meyer is going to want a defense run by consortium rather than dictation, which explains why he shied away from former Arizona coach Mike Stoops and apparently has zeroed in on Everett Withers, the interim coach at North Carolina.

Withers took over for the fired Butch Davis, also in the wake of an NCAA investigation, just before the 2011 season started. Like Fickell, Withers will guide his team through the Independence Bowl against Missouri before newly named coach Larry Fedora of Southern Mississippi takes over.

“He is in the picture,” Meyer confirmed about his interest in Withers. “I don’t know if it’s official yet, or when we can close the door on that.”

Attempts to reach Withers for comment were unsuccessful

As for the pecking order in the defensive room, “Luke Fickell will have the title,” Meyer said. “It might be co-, it might not. But at the end of the day, he will be calling the defenses.”

Meyer went on to explain that Fickell wasn’t being rewarded simply because he led the program during a difficult period.

“He’s at Ohio State still because he’s a great football coach and he’s got a great track record of developing top defenses,” Meyer said. “So he’ll call the defenses, and we’re still trying to finish up our staff, but it’s in pretty good shape.”

Meyer confirmed last week that Tom Herman will be the new offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach. Herman serves in both capacities at Iowa State, which he will help coach through its Pinstripe Bowl game against Rutgers before making the move to Ohio State.

It appears that offensive coaching hires so far are Herman and Stan Drayton, the current OSU receivers coach who is expected to move to running backs coach, a position he held under Meyer at Florida in 2010. On the defensive side, there are Fickell, Withers, defensive backs coach Taver Johnson and possibly linebackers coach Mike Vrabel. Meyer has yet to confirm Drayton, Johnson or Vrabel, all of whom, like Fickell, would be holdovers from the 2011 staff.

Dunn reaffirms

Brionte Dunn has been committed to Ohio State for a long time, but the blue-chip running back from Canton GlenOak had Buckeyes fans nervous when he said he still had an open mind that included considering Michigan and others. An in-home visit from Meyer last night changed that.

“It’s all over,” Dunn said afterward. “I always wanted to be a Buckeye. … I just needed some questions answered about how they were going to use me. … And I wanted to get to know (Meyer) as a person, and I like him.”

tmay@dispatch.com

Four star OT with a great pedigree.

http://recruiting.scout.com/2/1138834.html

With his parental history tOSU looks good.

I guess Noah Spence just gave a verbal commit to OSU

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=4393215

Look on the bottom.

DL is going to be sick for the next 3-4 years and beyond. Throw in a more seasoned LB crew of Shazier and Grant....look out! Won't need DB's

We got Mark Pantoni, at Florida he was Program Coordinator for Recruiting Operations and will be Urban's Director of Player Personnel at OSU. Friday Night Lights is gonna be amazing at OSU. The Shoe at night with music pumping, highlight videos being played and thousands of fans cheering.

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2011/12/friday-night-lights-a-primer#more

Ohio State snags verbal from five-star recruit
Published: Mon, December 19, 2011 @ 12:03 a.m.
By TIM MAY

Columbus Dispatch

COLUMBUS

Noah Spence, the No.1 defensive end prospect in the country according to Rivals.com, planned to keep his commitment to Ohio State secret for a few weeks.

But after his official visit yesterday, he couldn’t contain himself.

“It felt like it was just the right thing to do,” Spence said by phone as he and his family drove home to Harrisburg, Pa., last night. “Now I am going to help get more recruits in, help this class a little more, hopefully get this thing rolling.”

The Buckeyes, led by new coach Urban Meyer, put the full-court press on Spence, with Meyer and defensive coaches Luke Fickell, Mike Vrabel and Taver Johnson traveling to Hershey, Pa., on Friday night to watch Spence’s high-school team, Harrisburg McDevitt, play in the Class AAA state championship game.

Spence and his family traveled to OSU on Saturday for his official visit, and his father, Greg, said going in that there was a chance it would be his son’s only official visit.


“We had a great time,” Greg Spence said Sunday night. “They’ve got a great organization, a first-class university, and we just had a great time with the staff and everyone on this visit.

“My son is content, and he just feels in his heart Ohio State University is where he wants to spend his next four years.”

Spence’s commitment confirms the momentum for the 2012 Ohio State recruiting class in just three weeks under Meyer.

Last week, he coaxed blue-chip prospects Tommy Schutt, a defensive tackle from Glen Ellyn, Ill., and defensive end Se’Von Pittman from Canton GlenOak to flip their commitments from Penn State and Michigan State, respectively.

Then Meyer closed the deal on Spence, who’s ranked the ninth-best overall prospect in the nation by Rivals.com and is the first five-star prospect in the class that now numbers 19.

“I think the class is going to be great when it’s done,” Spence said.

The official visit simply confirmed the feelings Spence was having about OSU.

“It’s close to home, I love how my family can come watch me with no problem, and it’s blowing up to be a great program with a new coaching staff and everything,” Spence said. “They are trying to bring in some great players, and the players already there are good, too.”

The hire of Pantoni is huge for OSU recruiting.
He's the go to guy for Meyer. It is a phenomenal hire.

Disclaimer : This is an honest question, not a jab at Ohio State lol.


Is there a reason that OSU fans refer to themselves as "The Buckeyes" in casual conversation? For example, "That is good news for the Buckeyes" rather than, "That is good news for Ohio State"

I honesty don't know of another fan base that does this, at least regularly. I'm honestly curious if there's a reason for it?

well, if you said, that's great news for the Wildcats, people wouldn't know if you were talking about Arizona, Kansas State, or the other 400 schools that use Wildcats as a mascot

and as much as the above was a joke, it is also the reason. Buckeyes is a unique mascot and fans like to use it in common speak because it is unique (everyone knows you are talking Ohio State without any disclaimers - whereas if I say O-S-U here in TX people think I'm talking Cowboys)

I don't usually say "the buckeyes" I refer to them as "the bucks."

No idea why, I just do. Sometimes I call them by OSU or Ohio State.

As I posted before here is what our d-line could look like next year.

John simon
Nathan williams
John hankins
Garret gobel
Adam bellamy

5* steve miller
4* michael bennett
4* chase farris
4* kenny hayes
3*joel hale

5* adpolphos washington
5* noah spence
5* tommy schutt
4*sevon pittman

Absolutely filthy

Vols, Hokies, Sooners, Rockets, Sallukies(sp)etc. Hell, I've heard Kentucky fans call themselves Wildcats. You're off your rocker.

I've never heard those fans call themselves that with the regularity that OSU fans do it. Good Lord, I was asking if there was a reason, that's all.

It would appear that you got your question answered !.

"Buckeyes" is a distinctive nickname.

"Wolverines" is another that uses the nickname more often than their school name.

This discussion reminds me of an old joke that ends with "Why do you ask, Two-Dogs-Bleeping?".

I guess we did hire Withers as DC

http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/34147/schad-withers-hired-by-ohio-state

Columbus Dispatch just sent me a breaking news alert via email..


NCAA will announce Ohio State penalties today
After a season of scandal and national criticism, Ohio State University will learn today what punishment it faces from the NCAA for a string of violations in its football program.

Ohio State to learn NCAA fate today
Posted by John Taylor on December 20, 2011, 9:38 AM EST

Over four months after appearing in front of the NCAA’s Committee on Infractions, Ohio State will learn how big of a hammer the NCAA will lay down on its football program.

According to the Associated Press, OSU athletic director Gene Smith confirmed that the NCAA’s COI will hand down its final sanctions at 3 p.m. ET. A release from the school/governing body of collegiate athletics is expected at some point after that.

The sanctions will stem from impermissible benefits received by football players and ultimately led to the firing/resignation/retirement of head coach Jim Tressel. After appearing in front of the COI Aug. 12, the school’s compliance department also discovered players were given cash by a now-former booster at a charity event as well as being overpaid by the same booster who provided the players jobs.

OSU has already self-imposed several sanctions, including vacating all of the wins from the 2010 season; stripping itself of five scholarships total over a three-year period; returning BcS bowl money received following the ’10 season; and probation. The NCAA can either accept the self-imposed sanctions and add to them.

The fact that the NCAA also levied a failure-to-monitor charge on the university has led some to believe that the NCAA will slap the football program even harder. Others insist the fact that Urban Meyer agreed to take over as head coach was a sign that there aren’t likely to be many if any additional sanctions imposed.

Tressel, incidentally, fully expects to receive a multi-year show-cause penalty from the NCAA for his decision to lie and coverup the initial information he received on potential violations committed by at least two of his players. Such a penalty would effectively end The Vest’s collegiate coaching career, at least for the foreseeable future.

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Ohio State+Bowl games=$$$$

Urban Meyer led Ohio State+Bowl games=$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

NCAA knows which side it's bread is buttered. I'll be shocked if they hit them hard in that manner.

At least the NCAA is going to up the scholarship reductions. I'd be shocked if they accepted tOSU's self imposed sanctions.

Because we can! THE Buckeyes, thank you so very much! LOLetc.

I think they're going to have to up the sanctions in some way. They have to be able to say "see how big and mean and tough we are!!!!", but I don't think it's going to be anything significant because at the end of the day, Mutt's right, dollars talk.

The NCAA should probably let the Dispatch make the announcement though, seeing how they did all of the work in the investigation and all.