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Pat Robertson, televangelist and a leader in the Christian Right movement, has blasted the "Saturday Night Live" parody that featured Jesus visiting NFL star Tim Tebow in the locker room. "There's an anti-Christian bigotry that is just disgusting and I think 'Saturday Night Live' did a parody of that, had Jesus come in," Robertson said Monday on "The 700 Club," that airs on the Christian Broadcasting Network. "If this had been a Muslim country and they had done that, and had Muhammad doing that stuff, you would have found bombs being thrown off!" he added. "SNL" cast member Jason Sudeikis played Jesus in the skit, who chastised Tebow for being too religious and encouraging him to work on his athletic ability. "The Holy Bible is my playbook," Tebow, played by comedian Taran Killam, says in the sketch that aired Saturday. "That's great," replies Jesus, played by Sudeikis. "But you need to read the regular playbook. Seriously, okay? I'm doing all the work here." Robertson praised Tebow for being "an example, and I think he is a wonderful human being." "We need more religious faith in our society. We're losing our moral compass in our nation and this man has been placed in a unique position and I applaud him. God bless him," he added. The very religious Tebow has become one of the most polarizing players in NFL history this season. Before Sunday's 41-23 loss to New England, the Broncos had won six games in a row — mostly in thrilling fashion — by relying on Tebow's running ability and a minimal passing attack. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/tim-t...-bigotry-122011I have this guy tagged in my Google newsfeed, because anytime he opens his mouth, there's a very high probability of some amusing jackass statements. I actually do not like the vitriol sent Tebow's way - if it's about his abilities as a QB, that's fine, but I find that too many either love him or loathe him for reasons outside of football, reasons that probably get stretched way too far. I like the guy. A lot. I think his faith is stupid, but I think he's a pretty good blueprint for humanity and I root for him (despite not thinking he's a viable QB long term). And I think the sketch was pretty funny.
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I think that anyone who has ever complained about Muslims complaining about Muhammad cartoons is not permitted to complain about this.
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I didn't think the sketch was all that funny but I didn't have a problem with them doing it.
We need to be able to laugh more and whine less.
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I thought Sudeikis did well. I think he's going to have a decent career.
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I didn't think the sketch was all that funny but I didn't have a problem with them doing it.
We need to be able to laugh more and whine less.
I watched it and didn't think it was hilarious. Got a chuckle or 2 out of it.
But, imagine if Tebow were a muslim and SNL did that - mocking him........
Phil, I know you think ALL religions are stupid - you don't mince words. Your past posts speak for themselves. But, you like Tebow a lot. You think he's a blueprint for humanity - yet you give his faith no credence for his actions? (not physical actions - his whole persona - if that makes sense)
If it weren't for my faith and belief's, I'd be a bad, bad person. However, due to my faith, and my belief's, I am NOT that person I could be. I'm a better person.
Go on - belittle me. Make fun of me - you seem to get a kick out of that.
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Phil, I know you think ALL religions are stupid - you don't mince words. Your past posts speak for themselves. But, you like Tebow a lot. You think he's a blueprint for humanity - yet you give his faith no credence for his actions? (not physical actions - his whole persona - if that makes sense)
I know incredibly devout Christians who I'd classify as blueprints for humanity ... I know others that are fairly despicable people when you think about it. I know atheists that are better people than religious folks ... I also know atheists that I would consider bad people.
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If it weren't for my faith and belief's, I'd be a bad, bad person. However, due to my faith, and my belief's, I am NOT that person I could be. I'm a better person.
OK, great. Religion worked for you. It doesn't work for everyone. Some people - IMO, most people - twist it in order to fit the lens they've come to focus in.
In my time on this earth, I've found zero correlation between having faith and being a good person. None.
Does it happen a lot? Yes. Does the opposite happen a lot? Yes.
Different strokes, as they say ... but I know as many kind, giving people who don't believe in God as those who do.
I like Tim Tebow because he acts like all people should act. He's pretty damn amazing at it, actually. I'm sure somewhere he has demons and fears and anger like we all do, but he's been a pretty exemplary human being. And I could care less where it came from. It could've come from Buddhism, or believing in 'The Golden Rule'.
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Go on - belittle me. Make fun of me - you seem to get a kick out of that.
Dude, get over it.
We've been around these boards for years. You and I have had several intelligent, polite, concise debates over time around here. I've never been some bully out to harass you like you cry about, nor have I tried to prove my intelligence through your comments. But when you make idiotic comments ... yeah, I will mock them.
Here, I have no intentions of mocking you ... you make valid points worth consideration in the debate.
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There is no debate with you. Religion (specifically Christianity) is stupid to you. That's fine. I, for one, am way more than glad that God is in my life. I am a better person because of that..........that's all that matters.
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IT'S A COMEDY SHOW.. WHY in the hell does Robertson take it seriously,,
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There is no debate with you. Religion (specifically Christianity) is stupid to you. That's fine. I, for one, am way more than glad that God is in my life. I am a better person because of that..........that's all that matters.
Actually, had you paid attention over the years, I've said many times that Christianity is far and away the best religious models as far as religious models go.
For me, that's not very far, because I think religion is little more than parables, but your 'specifically Christianity' makes little sense ... yes, I think all religion is dumb, but I've been on record for a long time here that Christianity is my favorite of the religious parables.
And, yes, I concur that the end result is all that matters. If it was Christianity for you, that's great. I mean that.
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"There's an anti-Christian bigotry that is just disgusting...."
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"If this had been a Muslim country and they had done that, and had Muhammad doing that stuff, you would have found bombs being thrown off!"
Pot, meet kettle.
Interesting that someone can call out religion-based bigotry in one sentence, then in the very next throw down one of the most hateful of ethnic and religious stereotypes possible.
And the saddest thing of all is that he sees nothing wrong with his statement. In fact, he actually thinks he's speaking for God!
As shameful an example of hypocrisy as I've seen in a long, long time. And no- I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-ignorance. Always have been, always will be.
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In fairness, in Muslim countries, a political cartoon on Islam is enough to receive death threats galore.
There was that cartoonist in Denmark who actually had an attempt on his life because of a political cartoon featuring Muhammad. Salman Rushdie lived under perpetual death threats for his book "The Satanic Verses". There was another young Muslim woman who wrote a book on Islam's treatment of women who was also under an official death threat from Islamic religious leaders.
I do believe that if SNL did a similar skit featuring Muhammad, there would be threats against them.
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In fairness, in Muslim countries, a political cartoon on Islam is enough to receive death threats galore.
There was that cartoonist in Denmark who actually had an attempt on his life because of a political cartoon featuring Muhammad. Salman Rushdie lived under perpetual death threats for his book "The Satanic Verses". There was another young Muslim woman who wrote a book on Islam's treatment of women who was also under an official death threat from Islamic religious leaders.
I do believe that if SNL did a similar skit featuring Muhammad, there would be threats against them.
In all fairness, there's a guy who carries around signs that say 'GOD HATES FAGS' in the name of Jesus Christ.
You want me to lump you and other Christians in with him?
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It's entirely possible that you're correct. No argument from me about that. But that still misses the point entirely, YTown.
I just found it a bit hypocritical of Robertson to cry foul at someone using "his team" to get a laugh, only to then, for no apparent connective reason, jump to bashing the Muslim faith to bolster his own point of view.
You don't like the skit? Fine- say that you don't, and state your reasons why. Attack the offending parties in support of Your Boy (or your faith). Sate your peace firmly, with resolve.... and stay (TF) on point! There was absolutely no reason for Pat Robertson to drag another religion- any religion into the mix. It was stupid and unnecessary.... and did nothing to support his defense of Tim Tebow against the "real enemy"- the writers at Saturday Night Live.
This is the exact kind of crap he pulls all the time... and I'm surprised that people still fall for it. It's no secret that Robertson has maintained an anti-Muslim (or pretty much "Anti-anything other than Christian") agenda for years... and wastes no opportunity to take aim at those whom he perceives as The Enemy. This, to me, was just another opportunity to cram some "us vs. them" propaganda down the throats of his his avid followers. I mean, this issue is between American TV network programmers and an American football player.... WTF do Muslims have to do with ANY of that?
This dude is as transparent as Saran Wrap... and I'm still shocked that he's been in business all these years.
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The point is that the Islamic threats are instituted by the religious leaders .... and most of the Christian nutjobs speak for themselves. (or their small group)
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Much like SNL, it's a publicity stunt from P.R.
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Robertson is a jag. The sketch had it's moments but is far from a classic... I thought the funniest part was how Tebow would jump up in Jesus' face and Jesus would be uncomfortable with it.
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"If this had been a Muslim country and they had done that, and had Muhammad doing that stuff, you would have found bombs being thrown off!" he added.
Just one reason that America is better than these Muslim countries. They have the ability to do the skit, you have the ability to blast them for it, people have the ability to agree with you or mock you.... People mock Christians all the time... it's a shallow and petty way to get a laugh but hey, if that's what they want to do.... have at it.
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Much like SNL, it's a publicity stunt from P.R.
I'm glad you said it, Michelle... because I couldn't in the context of my response to YTown.
If I'm trying to make a point.... about staying on-point.... the least I can do is set an example.... and stay on-point myself. (whew! that was a mouthful!)
But yes- as I was finishing up, that same thought occurred to me, as well. It's been this Jackhole's modus operandi for over 30 years now. But hey- it works, so why mess with something that's netting you phatass cashflow?
I made myself watch a week of the 700 Club back in the 80's to see what it was all about... that week told my all I needed to know. Every single day I heard that huckster say something that made me want to throw a brick through my TV.
I was baptised at the age of 12.
I love my God. I believe in my faith. I believe in the teachings of Jesus.
I do not hate, mistrust or downgrade any other religious faith or its followers. I do not engage in hateful rhetoric about faith practices other than my own. I do not try to convince other people to mistrust, oppose or denigrate others based upon their religious following, personal belief structure, gender, or sexual orientation. I do not make any financial profit from the living or professing of my beliefs.
Can Pat Robertson say the same? No... to every single category.
Dude's a huckster, a con-artist and a flim-flam man. A very wealhy flim-flam man, who has scammed his wealth from the 5 and 10 dollar donations of good-hearted trusting people who want to know God. A reprehensible human being.
Folks need to wake up about this dude. He's exactly what Christ warned us about.
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Just one reason that America is better than these Muslim countries. They have the ability to do the skit, you have the ability to blast them for it, people have the ability to agree with you or mock you.... People mock Christians all the time... it's a shallow and petty way to get a laugh but hey, if that's what they want to do.... have at it.
And this is exactly what I was trying to get across in my post to YTown, DC.... This thread is now starting to turn from SNL's skit about Tebow and his faith to a discussion about Islam... which is exactly what guys like Pat Robertson want.
The want us to take our eye off the ball, so they can get their message out. Well guess what? we already HAVE trhat message. Bad Muslims exist in this world... transmission received.
THAT AIN"T THE POINT.
SNL messed with Tebow. Robertson jumped to his defense. All's cool. But then, he dropped the 'Islamabomb' in his defense of Tebow, where it had ABSOLUTELY NO PLACE IN THE DISCUSSION AT ALL.
Did Muslims make fun of Tebow? No.
Did Muslims OK the skit to be aired on NBC? No.
Did Muslims take part in any of the roles onstage during the enactment of the skit? NO.
This isn't about the Islamic faith or its radicallized factions. This is about Pat Robertson (supposedly) going up against the network for making fun of a fine young man who wears his faith on his sleeve.
WHY IS ANYONE TALKING ABOUT MUSLIMS? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrugh!!!
Dude- I love you an Phil both- you've been vibrant, intellegent posters on the board for years... but you're BOTH falling into the trap that's being set by Robertson.
With one sentence, he's managed to get a bunch of reasonably level-headed football fans on a Browns board to start talking about Islam. ISLAM, for cryin' out loud! What does Islam have to do with Saturday Night Live? The Denver Broncos? Tim Tebow?
I urge you... no, I BEG you to see past the emotional bait being dangled, and see what's really at work here. Don't get sucked into this side-issue... there are plenty of other threads for such a subject.
To me, the ONLY subject in this thread should be the statements made by Pat Robertson about the SNL skit. Anything that veers outside this specific discussion takes this "soundbite op" of his DIRECTLY where he wants you to go.... don't fall for it. Please.
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The point is that the Islamic threats are instituted by the religious leaders .... and most of the Christian nutjobs speak for themselves. (or their small group)
Aside from when the heads of the institution work overtime to cover up molesting kids?
If you want to play tit-for-tat with terrible acts committed in the name of religion, we can play that game.
My point remains - religion creates as much evil as it does good. It's a two-way street.
Focus on the person and their actiions, not their faith or beliefs.
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Much like SNL, it's a publicity stunt from P.R.
110%.
That's why the majority of what we discuss happens.
P.R.
It controls most topics of discussion.
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I don't think Michelle was referring to "Public Relations" in her post. I think she was referring to "Pat Robertson." But then again, she's a pretty sharp poster. .. she might have meant both- in which case, I'd have to doff my hat at some truly exceptional word-play.  What say, M-Dawg? Care to clear this one up for us?
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JC: I liked the skit a lot. I thought it was very funny. As a catholic (part of the team, no way off it), I do get annoyed that it seems like we have to be very respectful of other religions but Christianity can get walked all over. But, I really enjoyed the skit, I can laugh at myself and my fellow Christians and take it with stride. I just wish all religions were fair game for these kinds of skits. South Park has Jesus on it, but they're too scared to put on Muhammad (after death threats, they backed down). I've always been annoyed about that stuff. Whether there's Christian nutjobs or not, Christianity/Jesus seems to be fair game, while others don't. For example, the Smithsonian almost put up this once (with Jesus having ants crawling all over him) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/08/controversial-artwork-ban_n_794021.html Notice the guy who does this is probably Jewish too (from his last name), so probably isn't a catholic making this art. This was almost shown in a GOVERNMENT FUNDED museum. DO NOT take my tax dollars and support this kind of trash. Same thing with those paintings of the Virgin Mary that had elephant dung on them that were almost shown in NYC (at a museum that receives funding from NY taxpayers). http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0999/virgin.dung.htmlIt's very hard to deny that somehow it seems that Christians are open game while other religions aren't. At least with art and with media. I can find more stuff showing this, but see my point?
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What say, M-Dawg? Care to clear this one up for us?
 Oh, Dear....this is getting all convoluted....I didn't say it at all, Jules did. I just typed it out. We'll have to ask her how she meant it.
(But, PR in my post was Pat Robertson.)
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My point remains - religion creates as much evil as it does good. It's a two-way street.
I have to disagree with you here Phil. (Nothing new huh buddy
) People create evil, some have used religion as an excuse, others have used skin color, and many other excuses. It's not the religion that causes it, it's the people.
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Then it should be that people (not religion) create good, yes?
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There is good and bad in all us Michelle, and yes I believe we can create good or bad, weather we have religion, or not.
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My point remains - religion creates as much evil as it does good. It's a two-way street.
People create evil, some have used religion as an excuse, others have used skin color, and many other excuses. It's not the religion that causes it, it's the people.
Bingo, you are dead-on GMDawg. And I liked what you said later on too. Religion isn't required for good or for bad.
Bad things are done in the name of religion all the time, but bad things are done all the time period. Look at Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot. These are some of the most evil human beings ever. They weren't religious at all.
And religion isn't required for someone to be a good person or not either.
I hate it when people say that religion has caused so many problems, people cause the problems, and they will, whether it's in the name of some religion or not
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"If this had been a Muslim country and they had done that, and had Muhammad doing that stuff, you would have found bombs being thrown off!" he added.
What is he trying to say here? I mean isn't it good that Christians can for the most part watch the skit and laugh at humor? Does Pat want us to kill people because they did a Christian Parody skit?
Look, I'm a christian and I laughed at the skit. It didn't make fun of Christianity it made fun of Tim Tebow and that he talks about God all of the time (which I have no issue with) and it makes fun of the people claiming because Tebow is a devout Christian Jesus or God was making the Broncos win.
Wasn't the best SNL Skit (hell it probably wasn't even in the top 1000) but I laughed, it's humor pat.
Oh well "That's Pat".
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Dude- I love you an Phil both- you've been vibrant, intellegent posters on the board for years... but you're BOTH falling into the trap that's being set by Robertson.
With one sentence, he's managed to get a bunch of reasonably level-headed football fans on a Browns board to start talking about Islam. ISLAM, for cryin' out loud! What does Islam have to do with Saturday Night Live? The Denver Broncos? Tim Tebow?
I urge you... no, I BEG you to see past the emotional bait being dangled, and see what's really at work here. Don't get sucked into this side-issue... there are plenty of other threads for such a subject.
Actually Clem, if you read my post, and maybe I wasn't as clear as I could have been... what I am saying is that this is not a Muslim country, and I hate it when people like Pat Robertson or anybody else resort to the "If this was Iran or Saudi Arabia, things would be different." Well of course they would be different, that's why we tend to like it here and not many people would volunteer to live over there... so let's deal with this in the context of "This is America"...
Basically I was suggesting that he should leave Muslim countries out of it... which I believe is the same point you were making.... 
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thanks for the clarification, DC.
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"If this had been a Muslim country and they had done that, and had Muhammad doing that stuff, you would have found bombs being thrown off!" he added.
Typical ultra-right wing Christian.
They talk trash about Islam left and right, but, the second somebody says/does anything about their religion they try to play the victim.
Robertson needs to learn that this is not a theocracy. Muslim countries are generally theocracies. Yea, in muslim countries you would probably be beheaded for anything mocking the religion. This isn't a muslim country and that skit did not mock muslims in a muslim country. So, he can drop the whole "Islam" act.
If anything, Robertson should be thankful that this is not a theocracy - ooh actually, second thought, I detect a hint of jealousy in Robertson's voice....
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