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Personally, I think he has the intelligence to pick it up, can play under Center, and has the arm to make every throw we need him to make.
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I would love to know what Holmgren, Heckert, Shurmur and the rest of the bigwigs with the Browns think of RG3, behind closed doors, no posturing, no BS'ing. Just an honest assessment of whether or not he can run this system.
Dying to know.
I believe Shurmur when he said talented players fit any system. Whether he thinks RGIII is really that talented, we'll see. But what we know is that RGIII has a strong arm, is extremely fast, smart, and "cares" about football. We also know he has poor mechanics and doesn't play in an NFL style offense.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out...
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so even if we lose we are picking 4th with all of the other teams losing today?
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1. Indianapolis (2-13) lost
2. St. Louis (2-13) lost
3. Minnesota (3-12) lost
? Jacksonville (4-11) won
? Cleveland (4-11) pending
Tampa Bay (4-11) losing 20-0
Washington (5-10) lost
Miami (5-10) won
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So we're 5th, at best?  Crap!
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We're 4th...Jax is 5-11...
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We are 4th right now ... Jacksonville won (5-11). IF we win not sure where we land.
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Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Instead of drafting a QB anyone think we might take a shot at Flynn of GB? There is a Holmgren connection there....
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I hope not. I am completely not sold on Flynn, and I think that he is going to require a huge contract. I don't see a ceiling of greatness. I see his ceiling as decent. Decent doesn't win Super Bowls.
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Actually, we're 4th if TB has higher strength of schedule, otherwise 5th.
TB getting waxed right now by Atlanta.
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We are 4th right now ... Jacksonville won (5-11). IF we win not sure where we land.
looks like it could go all the way to 7th?
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Ytown,
I haven't seen much of Flynn, just wondered since he lit it up today and is UFA in 2012.
Agreed, the contract demands will be high,...just wondering out loud.
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I just worry about a guy who has had so little exposure, and was such a low draft pick to start with. He doesn't appear to have any special abilities that I have seen. We have seen so many backups that look pretty good ..... until they are "the guy" .... and I worry that this is what we would see if we signed him.
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That's a valid concern.
I also worry about us going after RGIII and inheriting the Heisman curse. However, I know little about his career as I just don't have the time to follow the college game as closely as others. Maybe he will be the exception to past history.
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so we are not @ 5 since we beat Jax?
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Draft tie-breaker is strength of schedule, not head to head as it is for division standings.
So yeah we're #4 as long as we lose tonight.
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That's a valid concern.
I also worry about us going after RGIII and inheriting the Heisman curse. However, I know little about his career as I just don't have the time to follow the college game as closely as others. Maybe he will be the exception to past history.
There are differences between RG3 and past winners. The short version is that if you take a look at the previous winners, they were guys who were the highest profile players on the highest profile teams, where they looked better because of the talent around them. Leinart is the posterchild for that. However, RG3 was the entire offense on a team not filled with NFL talent.
Now that doesn't mean he's a lock, because he isn't. As much as I like him, he's small and has the Vick problem where he doesn't know how to avoid taking shots, meaning he won't be playing all 16-games every season. However, I haven't seen a QB who has that natural of a gift in terms of being a passer. That arm is just plus in so many ways.
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RG3 = Troy Smith. Except he doesn't even take snaps from under center.
Smith was mobile but preferred to stay in the pocket. He had a strong arm. He was accurate. He was dominant in college. He won the Heisman.
We all know how well that translated to the NFL.
No thanks.
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Totally agree about the Heisman jinx and RG3, I mean think about where Baylor football was before he came in.
It's obvious that his stats are padded because his team's defense is horrible, but just watching the guy play, he's incredibly smart, throws bullets, and is a great leader.
I don't know about him at the next level, I'm no scout, but I really think he's ahead of where other mobile QB's were when they came out, like Vick and Young, etc...
I say take a shot on him, if he's sittin there. I probably wouldn't mortage a bunch of picks to move up a spot or two to get him, but if he's there, I think that could be a guy to change the culture.
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Yeah, I love that he is the guy who was the major reason that Baylor became a good team.
He's smart, has a plus arm, excellent accuracy, and can make all of the throws. He also has good mobility.
There's a lot to like there.
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I think it's kinda weird a guy like that would throw bullets like he does, but man he can throw.
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RG3 = Troy Smith. Except he doesn't even take snaps from under center.
Smith was mobile but preferred to stay in the pocket. He had a strong arm. He was accurate. He was dominant in college. He won the Heisman.
We all know how well that translated to the NFL.
No thanks.
Troy Smith was not DOMINANT in college.. he was good yes.. but he was not DOMINANT..
If he was DOMINANT.. he would have gotten drafted a lot higher than he did.
Don't even put those two names together..
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Yeah, and that's what I think is his key to the NFL. He has an arm, is accurate, and can make all of the throws .... plus he is smart as can be.
He really does have everything except a couple of inches in height, and experience in a pro style offense. I don't think that either is a fatal flaw.
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I think his throwing is well ahead of where Cam Newton was coming out of Auburn as well. Although RG3 doesn't have that Lebron'esque frame that Cam has.
I think there are some similarities to RG3 and Troy Smith but RG3 is better in every aspect of being a QB, and he's a better athlete.
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I agree.
I don't think that there is any comparison though as far as passing ability. I think that RG3 is way ahead of anything that Smith did as far as accuracy to all levels.
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RG3 = Troy Smith. Except he doesn't even take snaps from under center.
Smith was mobile but preferred to stay in the pocket. He had a strong arm. He was accurate. He was dominant in college. He won the Heisman.
We all know how well that translated to the NFL.
No thanks.
Troy Smith was not DOMINANT in college.. he was good yes.. but he was not DOMINANT..
If he was DOMINANT.. he would have gotten drafted a lot higher than he did.
Don't even put those two names together..
Sure he was. His senior year stats :
203 for 311 , 65.3% , 2542 yards, 8.2 yds/attempt, 30 TD, 6 INT, QB rating of 161.9. He also ran for a score.
He took his team to the national championship game and was ranked #1 most of the year.
He won the Heisman with 86.7% of the votes (the most ever in history) and won the Johnny Unitas award (top senior QB) as well as the Davey O'Brien award (best college QB).
If that's not dominant, then nothing is.
The reason he dropped to the 5th round was people questioned whether his skill set would transition well to the NFL game and he was too short.
I have those same doubts about RG3 except they are even worse because he would have to learn the how to take a snap from under center, the footwork associated with his drops along with learning to read a defense. I'm sorry I don't want my shiny new "savior" QB trying to learn from square one.
Everyone seems to gloss over those deficiencies due to the recent NFL successes of Cam Newton and Tim Tebow.
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You may want to retract Tim Tebow from that statement. Yikes.
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I would argue the difference is that Smith was surrounded by elite talent. RG3 is not. Smith was recognized as being an inferior talent through the combines and workouts, falling to the 6th round. RG3 has talents that Smith never had.
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Draft order, top 10, since Seattle is still playing at this time, but they would be 11 or later, not top 10.
1 - Indy
2 - Stl
3 - Min
4 - CLEVELAND
5 - TB
6 - Washington
7 - Jax
8 - Miami
9 - Carolina
10 - Buffalo
These are locked in, all teams with 6 wins or less, seattle has 7 already so no bearing on top 10.
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so we have the 4th pick?
yup. I believe so
Indy 2 wins
Rams 2 wins
Minny 3 wins
Browns 4 wins
Tampa 4 wins (stronger SOS)
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4th pick.. 
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1. Indy - Luck for sure
2. Rams - Kalil?
3. Minny - could go many ways
4. Browns - could also go many ways
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1. Indy - Luck for sure
2. Rams - Kalil/Blackman
3. Minny - Trade to a team that wants RGIII to get ahead of Browns
4. Browns - ....Claiborne/Richardson/Blackman
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Atlanta has the #24 pick, so unless they win the Super Bowl, or go to it and lose, that will be our pick.
So basically...
#24 - Don't make SB
#31 - Lose the SB
#32 - Win the SB
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ATL will probably get knocked out in their first game, they are horrible away from the Georgia dome.
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1. Indy - Luck for sure
Number 1 pick will definitely be Luck, but we'll see if Indy is the team that takes him.
I still have hope that we can trade up and get him. Short-term, probably not the best call. But long-term, I think it could pay off huge dividends
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There are a few of us that believe in Tannehill and I know many others would trade the farm for Luck and quite a few that would go hard for RG3. After today, I dont think any of us will get the QB we wanted. The odds on favorite right now has to be Matt Flynn. He looked better than Aaron Rogers out there and he will cost a lot of dollars but no draft pick.
Has any backup ever signed a big deal and it actually worked out for the team signing him?
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Has any backup ever signed a big deal and it actually worked out for the team signing him?
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