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If they really wanted RG3, they couldn't go down much below 2 or 3 ... because someone might just pop back up ahead of them otherwise.
I do think that the Browns will take RG3 if he is there at 3. The QB is too important in today's NFL. If Luck was there it would be an absolute no brainer. So the Colts could probably only drop down one spot and still get RG3. Why would the Rams trade up? They can get their T at 2 just by sitting still. So the Colts would have to trade down, and unless it was with us, would then have to trade back up ahead of us .... which would be a difficult proposition. (especially when the Browns could offer a superior package for trading back just 1 spot)
The Colts either take a QB at #1 ... and that QB would be Luck ..... or they trade back and hope they can still get the guy they want. If that guy is RG3, then I don't think they could go below 3 ...... which would limit their trade possibilities.
*Disclaimer* I am NOT advocating this. Just throwing it out for discussion.
Say we somehow end up at 3 and Luck somehow falls to us. What would make you consider trading out of that spot? What kind of ransom would you ask for?
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In response to YTown ... becuase you would be leaving money on the table. If you can get RG3 as the colts ... or you can get an extra pick from St. Louis for RG3 ... then why not do it? Let's say just 1 first rounder in 2013 because the Rams don't want to get "stuck" with Luck.
Then the Rams have Luck who was the #1 pick and they also have seen RG3 just go off the board at #2. They either trade him to the #3 team for a 2013 first rounder and both of the Brown's firsts ... or they trade to any other team who essentially offers more than their first this year and the first that St. Louis already gave up. And considering the suppositions that Luck could be worth as many as a few first rounders ... they can trade 2 firsts for him (thier 2012 #2 and their 2013) and get any number of picks back for him. If they want Kalil then they just call the Browns, trade him to Cleveland for both of our firsts and our #1 in 2013 ... all the while trying to get more out of Washington.
If done right they GUARANTEE that they will get the player they want AND get extra picks in the process.
Who wants to get a player when you could still get that player plus more picks?
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If we are at 3 and Luck falls to us I am at the podium so fast with his name on a card that I set records for speed in the first round. I send 10 different guys with his name on a card just to make sure that we get the pick in.
I Take Luck and I never, ever look back. I don't even have time for the phone to ring.
The only way I would trade him is if someone came along afterwards and said rthat they would give me 5 1st round picks or some other completely foolish package. if someone was going to do that, then Luck would never make it to us in the first place.
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If we are at 3 and Luck falls to us I am at the podium so fast with his name on a card that I set records for speed in the first round. I send 10 different guys with his name on a card just to make sure that we get the pick in.
I Take Luck and I never, ever look back. I don't even have time for the phone to ring.
The only way I would trade him is if someone came along afterwards and said rthat they would give me 5 1st round picks or some other completely foolish package. if someone was going to do that, then Luck would never make it to us in the first place.
I agree 100%. That's why I wanted to know what you would demand for that pick?
5 firsts would be pretty darn good.
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and pretty darn pointless if you were really wanting to trade out. No one, at least no one who is in a position to actually make a trade would offer that one up.
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If we are at 3 and Luck falls to us I am at the podium so fast with his name on a card that I set records for speed in the first round. I send 10 different guys with his name on a card just to make sure that we get the pick in.
I Take Luck and I never, ever look back. I don't even have time for the phone to ring.
The only way I would trade him is if someone came along afterwards and said rthat they would give me 5 1st round picks or some other completely foolish package. if someone was going to do that, then Luck would never make it to us in the first place.
I agree 100%. That's why I wanted to know what you would demand for that pick?
5 firsts would be pretty darn good.
I would ask for picks from rounds 1-4 this year, 1-3 the following year, 1-2 the year after that, and the 1st round pick the year after that. And maybe one or two solid rotational guys from their current roster.
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What if we take Blackmon there...and Luck falls to us at 1b? What do we do then?
What happens if Miranda Kirr comes to Hawaii and asks me to join her skinny dipping?
Any other ridiculous scenarios?
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What happens if Miranda Kirr comes to Hawaii and asks me to join her skinny dipping?
Any other ridiculous scenarios?
What happens if you turn down the invitation?
Am I perfect? No
Am I trying to be a better person?
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What happens if Miranda Kirr comes to Hawaii and asks me to join her skinny dipping?
Any other ridiculous scenarios?
What happens if you turn down the invitation?
Didn't know who she was so I googled her....I likkkkeeee
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What happens if Miranda Kirr comes to Hawaii and asks me to join her skinny dipping?
Any other ridiculous scenarios?
What happens if you turn down the invitation?
In my case, I get to live longer as my wife wont kill me.
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Miranda Kerr is so hot that if my wife found out that I turned down the offer she would probably say something along the lines of "Dude, that was stupid!"
Am I perfect? No
Am I trying to be a better person?
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Well Jacksonville is doing their part....they lead Indy 19-13 with 3 mins to go in the 4th. We're a Minnesota comeback from getting the #3 pick in the draft. I think that puts us in as good a place as we can possibly be for getting Luck.
Minny is down 17-13 with 6:30 to play. Come on Vikes!
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Indy has no timouts at 2 minute warning and Jacksonville has a fresh set of downs...
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Minnesota just picked off Chicago deep in Chicago territory!!!
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INTERCEPTION! Minnesota 1st and 10 at the Chicago 20! 6 to play...
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What the EFFF was that?!?  Incomplete pass. Sack. Incomplete pass. And then a fumble on the FG attempt??? Good lord there's a reason Minnesota might pick before us I guess...
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Well Jacksonville is doing their part....they lead Indy 19-13 with 3 mins to go in the 4th. We're a Minnesota comeback from getting the #3 pick in the draft. I think that puts us in as good a place as we can possibly be for getting Luck.
Minny is down 17-13 with 6:30 to play. Come on Vikes!
We're screwed where Luck's concerned...Indy ain't tradin' nuttin'...
Now we need 3...Gets us RGIII rights for whatever we wanna do cause the Rams r taking Kalil...
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No way minnesota wins this.. lol.. their o-line looks horrible against the Bears defensive front.
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And now Minny gives up a 1st down on the ground.
Hah wow they are terrible *shakes head*.
Looks like we're gonna get #4. Makes it harder to get Luck but not impossible. I think if Indy is getting 2 1st rounders this year (and only dropping 2-3 spots at that) along with some extra picks (3rd or 4th this year plus another mid rounder next year or two) that they might think long and hard about it. If they say no, they say no....but it's our only shot.
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need to go 94 yards in less then 2 mins to do it...
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94 yards in 1:51. Let's do this.
I can't even say that with a straight face...
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INT game over.
Well like I said...lose and we get #4.
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Ah... Well if we lose today that will put us at #4 overall. Hopefully we end up using that pick to make us better for the future, whoever it may be. RG3? Blackmon?
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Wow what an ending for the Titans Texans game...
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Wow what an ending for the Titans Texans game...
man they didn't even give Delhomme a chance to screw it up!
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Holy Jake Delhomme!
They go for the 2 pointer and fail....crazy ending. Looks like Titans have a shot at playoffs.
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Well I'm giving tonight's game to the Giants....so here's the final Week 17 draft standings. Positions 1-20 are now locked into place. I'll update positions 21-32 as the playoffs unfold. 
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FYI, I'm kind of aroused at the fact that Blackmon might be sitting there for us.
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I love the work you have done throughout the year, but according to the NFL Network's Manager of Research Carolina and Miami will have a coin flip and so will KC and Seattle.
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I think that Blackmon is OK ... but I wonder if he had elite abilities.
I don't think that a "pretty good" WR is worth the 4th overall pick. AJ Green was 4th overall last year. I don;t know if the value is there with Blackmon.
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No way. Indy or Jacksonville.
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You might be right. But lord knows we need help at WR, and from watching him this year, he sure looked like a big play guy to me. But, I am wholly uneducated in that kind of thing.
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According to this here... NFL tie-breaking procedures "If ties exist in any grouping except (2) above, such ties shall be broken by strength-of-schedule. If any ties cannot be broken by strength-of-schedule, the divisional or conference tie-breakers, if applicable, shall be applied. Any ties that still exist shall be broken by a coin flip." Based on that, Carolina and Miami are tied with record and SoS but Carolina gets the nod based on their division winning %. As for KC and Seattle, they have the same record, same SoS and same Division winning %, but Kansas City has a conference winning % of .3333 while Seattle has a winning % of .5000. So....unless those rules laid out are false, I'm not sure what I'm missing. I've read multiple places now that KC/Sea will come down to a coin flip too. Very odd. Editted to say - I see my error now. It says division OR conf winning pct, as opposed to division AND conf winning pct. That seems really dumb. So in that case, Miami and Carolina are still fine, but you're absolutely correct that KC and Seattle will come down to a coin flip for 11 and 12. Thanks for the heads up 
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No way. Indy or Jacksonville.
You think Jacksonville is going to trade above us to select him? Because we pick before them now....
Indy takes Luck or trades down with us Miami or Washington. Minnesota is going to go Kalil. I could very easily see St Louis taking Blackmon though.
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Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if STL takes Blackmon. They've got to give Bradford some weapons.
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The way Bradford has been getting pounded, I see Kalil to the Rams
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