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Cleveland Browns' Seneca Wallace out to prove he's a starter: Browns InsiderFriday, December 30, 2011, 10:30 PM By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer Browns quarterback Seneca Wallace will go out this season the same way he came in: determined to prove he should be the Browns' starting quarterback. With Colt McCoy officially ruled out for Sunday's game against the Steelers, Wallace will make his third straight start, and he indicated it shouldn't have taken so long for him to get his chance. "At the end of the day, I can control what I can control," he said. "Yeah, I get frustrated that, hey, I feel like I deserve a shot or I want a shot. But at the end of the day, it's just a matter of making sure I lead my teammates in the right direction. The rest will take care of itself." Asked if he should he have a chance to compete for the starting job next season, Wallace said: "Maybe so. I don't know. I'll let you guys evaluate that." Before the season, Wallace, who had just signed a new three-year deal worth $9 million, told The Plain Dealer that he'd do everything he could to beat out McCoy for the starting job in camp. "I still want the opportunity to go out and be able to play myself, so I'm not just going to sit back and watch," he said then. "I'd rather go out there and play." During an interview Thursday on FM/92.3, Wallace said it's been "very tough" for him to sit all season. "Do I feel like things always are fair? No. And that's just the way it is. . . . It was Pat [Shurmur's] decision to give Colt an opportunity, and that's what it was." A nine-year pro, Wallace reiterated what he told The Plain Dealer in June -- that he wasn't going to share all his knowledge of the West Coast offense with McCoy because he wanted to beat him for the job.
Asked during Thursday's interview how much mentoring he's done with McCoy this season, Wallace said: "Not much. Not much. That was Jake [Delhomme's] deal. He did a lot of some stuff with him last year. But that's not my thing. It's just one thing I don't do. I came in with the mind-set I wanted to compete, whatever case that was."
Wallace said he'd answer any questions McCoy might have about the West Coast offense, but he wouldn't offer unsolicited help. Also during his radio interview Thursday, Wallace changed his tune a little about the botched ending of the first half in Baltimore. Instead of assuming full blame for not spiking the ball as he did after the game, he put some of it on Shurmur. He said the players looked over to the sideline after tight end Evan Moore wasn't ruled out of bounds and the clock was ticking down. "I don't know if Pat was ready to have his next call, or whatever the case may be," Wallace said. "It was just a miscommunication between us, at that point." © 2011 cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/12/cleveland_browns_seneca_wallac_3.html
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Sounds like a great team player! While I get what he's saying, to say it publically makes him sound like a selfish child.
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If I'm Holmgren, I cut ties with Wallace as soon as the season ends. Whatever ends up being the case with our QB situation - whether they decide to stay with McCoy, trade up for Luck, sign Jason Campbell or Matt Flynn, etc. Find a starter, make McCoy your backup. Make McCoy your starter and find another backup. Get Wallace out of the locker room.
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Why is this guy still on this team?
I would have a hard time putting up with that attitude from an HOFer in Brett Favre...but from Seneca frickin' Wallace?!!!
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From the way Wallace has played, I'm not sure him offering up unsolicited advice hasn't been a good thing.
"Now Colt, we're on the 2, we have 8 seconds left, no timeouts, this is where in the WCO we run the ball."
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Some coaches want older players to "coach" younger players ...... and others do not. Wallace said that he answered any questions that McCoy had for him, but he did not go to him with unsolicited advice. If he had, people would have said that he was trying to undermine McCoy as the starter, or something.  The job of the backup QB is not to coach the starter.
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Some coaches want older players to "coach" younger players ...... and others do not.
Wallace said that he answered any questions that McCoy had for him, but he did not go to him with unsolicited advice.
If he had, people would have said that he was trying to undermine McCoy as the starter, or something.
The job of the backup QB is not to coach the starter.
I used to disagree with that, but you know what, I get it now. Coaches coach, players play., Should players help others? HELL YEAH they should, But be responsible for coaching? Hmm,, I don't believe so anymore.
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I understand his attitude if its training camp and there's an open competition for the job, but once the season starts, the starter is named, and the games are real, there should be an "us against the world" mentality that supercedes personal ambition. It's a team sport.
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Nobody expected Wallace to "coach" McCoy. What I expected was for him - as a veteran of the offense that was new to McCoy - to offer help, support, advice, a friendly ear, whatever to a young QB that was obviously struggling. Instead, he hung back, withheld knowledge and assistance, and waited for it to be "Seneca time". Apparently, in Wallace's mind, there may not be an "I" in team, but if you look hard, there's a "me".
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Wallace said he'd answer any questions McCoy might have about the West Coast offense, but he wouldn't offer unsolicited help.
So he answered any questions McCoy might have ...... but didn't go out of his way to butt in.
Yep ... bad teammate there. 
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I understand his attitude if its training camp and there's an open competition for the job, but once the season starts, the starter is named, and the games are real, there should be an "us against the world" mentality that supercedes personal ambition. It's a team sport.
I agree w/ what ur saying.. but at the same time this isn't intramural football.. these guys are competing for playing time and money.
It isn't Wallace's job to coach.. The QB coach should be all on top of Colt.. and blame Shurmur for not having an offensive coordinator who would be even more help for Colt to succeed and understand the offense.
I'd really like to know how much time Shurmur spends w/ his QB's on a week to week basis.
on another note.. Holmgren knows Wallace.. he knew when he brought him here what type of "help" or "assistance" he would offer to other QB's.. A guy isn't going to change this late in his career.
I like Wallace though.. Think he's a good backup to have.
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IMO, it does make him a bad teammate. That's bad as in "selfish". Plus, it makes me wonder if he's not fomenting behind the scenes, causing division in the locker room about who should start.
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Do you think that the backup LB are offering advice to the starters?
How about the backup WR?
The backup TE?
Maybe the backup CB?
Nah .... because it's the QB, he's a bad teammate.
Wallace's job is to be the backup QB. It's not to coach.
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Being a good teammate and trying to help your team to win in any way you can is not "coaching".
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Well, call me crazy - but I would expect that if we had a 9 year vet backup w.r. that wasn't good enough to start - that he would offer advice to, say, Little. Like "Hey, Greg, most times when the corner is playing you there, and you see the linebacker cheating back, it's going to be "this" coverage, or that route", etc.
I would expect a backup 9 year vet. linebacker to go to Gocong (or whoever), and say something like "when this qb we're playing is in shotgun, and they have this formation, your job changes to "this" ".
You wouldn't?
Why do you give a pass to Seneca for not offering help? Is there a reason? If he knew he was going to be the backup, don't you try to help your team? If he knew he was in a qb competition and lost out (after being told whenever that he wasn't the starter, don't you try to help your team? I would, but that's just me I guess.
It's only an article, but it almost sounds as if Wallace sat back, saw a mistake, and thought "ha".
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Wallace said he felt if Colt was healthy than he should get the start... Because he started off the season as the starter...
This is Mary Kays way of creating hate on the QB...something Cleveland does well...
Wallace is about to play against our supposedly division rival...Why in the hell would she write this ?
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Its not an opinion piece. Wallace's comments are in quotes. These are things he said in the course of an interview. Was she supposed to ignore them? You could say she led the interview in that direction, but you might also expect a 9 year vet to be able to deflect those questions pretty easily.
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Only negative thing I see about Wallace not offering help is this...
if you are the better talent.. the best QB on the team.. then offering all the advice in the world shouldn't change that..
He should come w/ the attitude that I will help the guy for sure.. Let him know all I know.. but at the end of the day.. He still won't be able to out compete me.
And if Wallace knows so much in the sense it helps his game.. then why isn't he looking that much better?
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Its not an opinion piece. Wallace's comments are in quotes. These are things he said in the course of an interview. Was she supposed to ignore them? You could say she led the interview in that direction, but you might also expect a 9 year vet to be able to deflect those questions pretty easily.
I don't know how it works in Cleveland but the article says it was an interview from a radio station, does Mary Kay work for the radio too or is she just writing this based on what she heard on the radio?
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A nine-year pro, Wallace reiterated what he told The Plain Dealer in June -- that he wasn't going to share all his knowledge of the West Coast offense with McCoy because he wanted to beat him for the job.
Asked during Thursday's interview how much mentoring he's done with McCoy this season, Wallace said: "Not much. Not much. That was Jake [Delhomme's] deal. He did a lot of some stuff with him last year. But that's not my thing. It's just one thing I don't do. I came in with the mind-set I wanted to compete, whatever case that was."
Wow, these quotes make Wallace come off like a completely selfish player and an ass. We don't need guys like this on our team. If he's not willing to help see that the team is successful get him out of here ASAP.
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I don't know who conducted the interview. Its not clear whether she used excerpts from his radio interview in addition to comments Wallace made to her, or if the story was based solely on the radio interview. But too often, the posters here want to shoot the messenger. If he said it, then he said it - and that is the story here, not who wrote it or how they wrote it or why.
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Obviously he said it and it makes him look not only bad but really dumb for throwing it out there.
But has anyone really been under the impression that Wallace has been a team guy since he got here? He's not Jake and never will be. If we do draft a QB or get one in FA, he's going to be the odd man out with his contract and age, bye bye Wallace.
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Well, call me crazy - but I would expect that if we had a 9 year vet backup w.r. that wasn't good enough to start - that he would offer advice
Those types of players...journeyman type guys...know that their heads are the first on the chopping block if the team needs to bring in another player. They're fighting for positions on the team, for a paycheck. Why would they give up any competitive advantage that they have? After all, football is "business first", is it not? At the end of the day, this is their livelihood.
If you and another guy were up for the same promotion, are you going to give him tips on how to do his job better? Tell him what the interview questions are going to be? I mean, after all, the end result is to make the company better so that it can make more money, right?
I might have a slightly different opinion if we were talking about a clear-cut, bona fide stud, face-of-the-franchise type QB who's skill level is clearly above that of the backup. But that's not the case. Colt is a 3rd round project who was (perhaps erroneously) handed the keys without question and is, more or less, Seneca's competition.
Seneca isn't trying to sabotage Colt. He isn't giving him incorrect or misleading advice or information. He is, by his own admission, willing to answer any questions Colt might have. He's just not going out of his way to offer unsolicited advice. Jake was brought in here last year to do that. Seneca was brought in to be the backup. I have no problem at all with that.
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Also during his radio interview Thursday, Wallace changed his tune a little about the botched ending of the first half in Baltimore. Instead of assuming full blame for not spiking the ball as he did after the game, he put some of it on Shurmur. He said the players looked over to the sideline after tight end Evan Moore wasn't ruled out of bounds and the clock was ticking down.
"I don't know if Pat was ready to have his next call, or whatever the case may be," Wallace said. "It was just a miscommunication between us, at that point."
This kind of comes across as a little muckraking, but at the same time, I would have liked it better if Wallace had just kept things on his shoulders. "It was entirely my fault, it won't happen again. Next question." You don't bring in other people like he did with the coach. Let the press sort out all the people falling on their swords.
Wallace: It was my fault.
Shurmur: No, it was my fault.
Evan Moore: No, it was my fault for not getting out of bounds.
Hillis: No, it was my fault for not cutting back up sooner and getting in the endzone.
etc., etc., etc.
As for the other Wallace quotes here, I'm wavering both ways. I don't expect him to coach, but I do expect him to help out his teammates, and not only when the guy comes up to him and affirmatively asks.
Withholding information comes across as sabotage. "I know that he should be looking over there, but I'm not going to say or do anything about it. If the coaches don't tell him, then that'll make me look better."
First off, the coaches should be the ones telling McCoy. Absolutely, 100%.
But if they don't see something and Wallace does, a good teammate says something. A guy looking out for himself doesn't.
Comes across as playing for the name on the back of your jersey and not the name on the front. And that's not the way I was raised.
At my work, there are times that one of the other attorneys is doing/saying something that maybe I could help with. If I tell them and help them, it might make them look better/smarter than I am. But, it would help our firm as a whole. So, I speak up. It might "hurt" me, but it "helps" the team.
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I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Ah, I was mistaking you for someone else. Carry on!
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those quotes just rub me the wrong way.
He might feel that way, and act that way, but i don't think he should be advertising it.
And if the browns are thinking about starting over with a new QB, sounds like we will need a new second string veteran mentor.
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I read this article the other day and came away with the impression that Wallace has quite the ego on him. He came out and said he heard the call to spike the ball but decided to call a run play instead of doing what his coach wanted. He comes off as being unhappy in his role here, trying to stir up a controversy by saying he should of been the starter all year in so many words. If Im H&H I cut his butt today, to send a message that "me-first" types wont be tolerated here. While he is better than McCoy he is still nothing more than a career backup.
I also dont like it when player call their coaches by name instead of Coach Shurmer. Like him or not he is the head coach and should come with a lil respect. You call a doctor, doctor. A police officer a officer, they should be calling their coach...coach. That comes off as disrespectful in my eyes to call him by his first name.
We need to cut ties with him, 3 years 9mil.....id rather cut him and use some of that cash to lock up Hillis than have his bad apple on the roster.
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I thought we did that already.. lol.. Winslow.. Braylon..
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Just imagine if Wallace was from Michigan.....
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haha.. everybody would be callin for him to be cut then.. lmao..
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Those types of players...journeyman type guys...know that their heads are the first on the chopping block if the team needs to bring in another player. They're fighting for positions on the team, for a paycheck. Why would they give up any competitive advantage that they have? After all, football is "business first", is it not? At the end of the day, this is their livelihood.
Yes, football is business.
However, I disagree with your statement/sentiment on these journeymen players.
Why? Simply - they know they are not top caliber players than can cause problems and still be on the team.
They know they are "first" on the chopping block.
So, why not be a TEAM player - show up early and eager. Offer advice (the longer term vets that is), offer insights - be a team player. Stay late to work with other guys.
You know, do everything you can to get playing time while being a TEAM guy. Make it tough on the team to "cut" you.
Trying to extend your career is human nature, I get it. But wishing ill on someone doesn't help anyone. AND, I'm not saying Seneca was wishing bad things to happen to Colt. What I AM saying is, at the end of the year, Seneca's comments probably will come into play as to what the f.o. does with him. His comments, but more importantly, his attitude at practice and on the sidelines all year. If he's a "bubble" guy next year - having a great attitude and doing EVERYTHING he could've to help the team gives him a better chance at staying than the old "eh, if he asked, I'd tell, but I sure didn't offer anything" kind of attitude.
And it's not just this article, nor is it just seneca, that makes me say this.
Seneca has been what.........a career 9 yr. backup? He's getting to the end of his time in the nfl. Aside from injury starts, he's never been a starter, right? (don't know - asking).
Maybe it's just me - but if he's a bubble guy - and I'm the f.o. - and I see that he's been doing everything in his power/ability to help the team, and he knows the O we run - I give serious thought to keeping him.
OTOH, if he's a bubble guy, and I see in practice he's all "me me me", it makes it easier to cut ties with him. Obviously, jmo.
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I also dont like it when player call their coaches by name instead of Coach Shurmer. Like him or not he is the head coach and should come with a lil respect. You call a doctor, doctor. A police officer a officer, they should be calling their coach...coach. That comes off as disrespectful in my eyes to call him by his first name.
That is right Tubby, which is why from now on you can call me MR. Loyaldawg. lol
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Also..Wallace is no dummy, so whether or not he signed a three year deal his intentions are clear. He knows how to get out of a situation and knows when we are ready to compete his career is done. He is just greasing his wheels imo. He thought he had a chance here but besides the McCoy I believe the coaches are high on Thaddeus Lewis. He might be gone, it just depends what happens at the year end meetings to discuss their roles and expectations.
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Cut him now, and start Lewis 
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I would cut him today and play the kid we brought in from the Rams.
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Wallace needs to work on diplomacy skills BIG TIME. How many players do we have on this team that transform into idiots when in front of microphone?
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Farve said the same thing years ago FWIW. He said that coaches are paid to coach, and he is paid to play QB.
Not every player is comfortable pushing themself on another player.
This is a non issue.Wallace is a player, not a coach. I'm sure that he would try to take on that role if the team asked him to ...... but he doesn't feel comfortable doing so on his own. BFD.
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Some coaches want older players to "coach" younger players ...... and others do not.
Wallace said that he answered any questions that McCoy had for him, but he did not go to him with unsolicited advice.
If he had, people would have said that he was trying to undermine McCoy as the starter, or something.
The job of the backup QB is not to coach the starter.
I used to disagree with that, but you know what, I get it now. Coaches coach, players play., Should players help others? HELL YEAH they should, But be responsible for coaching? Hmm,, I don't believe so anymore.
I agree. He said he answered any questions Colt may have asked.
It's Wallace's job to prepare and be ready. It isn't his job to coach Colt.
We have a wiz bang coach who understands the WCO, right?? It's his and his staffs job to coach players.
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