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Browns | Will hire offensive coordinator

Sun, 01 Jan 2012 11:19:51 -0800

The Cleveland Browns will hire an offensive coordinator during the offense to allow head coach Pat Shurmur to focus more on his head coaching duties. The team is looking at candidates with experience in the West Coast offense and former Minnesota Vikings head coach Brad Childress is one of the candidates they have discussed internally.

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Sources: Browns to hire O-coordinator

By Chris Mortensen
ESPN

Despite statements to the contrary, the Cleveland Browns intend to hire an offensive coordinator to allow Pat Shurmur to put more focus on his head coaching duties in 2012, according to team sources.


Previously, Browns president Mike Holmgren stated he preferred Shurmur serve as head coach and offensive coordinator -- as he has done in his first season -- but Shurmur himself would like to add a coordinator, sources said.

Former Vikings coach Brad Childress, who sat out this season after being fired by Minnesota during the 2010 season, is among the candidates that have been discussed by the Browns. However, the team is also seriously evaluating other candidates with roots in the West Coast offense.

While sources originally identified Childress as a leading candidate because he was the Philadelphia Eagles' offensive coordinator for seven years when Shurmur was Philadelphia's quarterbacks coach, other sources said the organization likely will select from a different pool of candidates.

Shurmur is struggling through his first season as a head coach after spending the past two seasons as St. Louis' offensive coordinator. Entering play Sunday, the Browns (4-11) had the 29th ranked offense and are averaging just 13.9 points per game, which is 30th overall.

Please do not hire Brad Childress... ugh...

I do not want to see Chilly come here....

internal source huh?

regardless.. its gonna be difficult to find a quality OC since Shurmur will be calling the plays still.

By Chris Mortensen
ESPN
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Despite statements to the contrary, the Cleveland Browns intend to hire an offensive coordinator to allow Pat Shurmur to put more focus on his head coaching duties in 2012, according to team sources.

Previously, Browns president Mike Holmgren stated he preferred Shurmur serve as head coach and offensive coordinator -- as he has done in his first season -- but Shurmur himself would like to add a coordinator, sources said.

Former Vikings coach Brad Childress, who sat out this season after being fired by Minnesota during the 2010 season, is among the candidates that have been discussed by the Browns. However, the team is also seriously evaluating other candidates with roots in the West Coast offense.

While sources originally identified Childress as a leading candidate because he was the Philadelphia Eagles' offensive coordinator for seven years when Shurmur was Philadelphia's quarterbacks coach, other sources said the organization likely will select from a different pool of candidates.

Shurmur is struggling through his first season as a head coach after spending the past two seasons as St. Louis' offensive coordinator. Entering play Sunday, the Browns (4-11) had the 29th ranked offense and are averaging just 13.9 points per game, which is 30th overall.

What "reports to the contrary"??

It's been common knowledge for months that we'd be going after a coordinator. In fact, any dope with common sense knew it was coming as soon as Holmgren said he couldn't find the right fit.

As for hating Chilly, many of these coordinators were bums and busts as head coaches, but are still elite coordinators. I wouldn't mind Chilly. He knows his stuff.

I don't think Shurmur will be calling plays next year. I believe Holmgren can see just as we do. I think him calling the plays is what is hampering his HC duties. He has his head buried in the play sheet instaed of coaching the team on the field.

IMO a OC will be brought in and THEY will run the offense. I can't see how it could work any other way. I think they would have had one this year if the right one was available,

I tend to believe Holmgren when he says Shurmur will continue to call plays. The Walrus has been very honest, if nothing else here, so I think it'll still be Shurmur calling plays. It's the preparation time on offense during the week that is impeding his HC duties, not the game-day stuff.

I don't know, I think Holmgren is smart enough to know if it is the right thing. I really think it depends on who's hired. I wouldn't think anything is set in stone.

That being said, with true talent at WR, maybe Shurmur would be more successful in his game calling. If the line gets sured up, and a WR is brought in, that could be the difference.

The only way I want Shurmur to be calling plays is if they bring in a real head coach and he moves back to OC which I highly doubt...

i forgot if it was Shurmur or Holmgren, but one of the two said Shurmur would still be calling the plays when they hire an OC.

I think that the only way this makes sense if is Shurmur intends to give up the play calling duties. It has been reported all along that Shurmur intends to hire an offensive coordinator. If he intends fr that coordinator to call plays, that would be news.

I would love to see Childress as offensive coordinator next year. He's a damned good one.

It's hard to imagine Chilly agreeing to come here as OC and not call the plays.

hence the "why we are looking at a pool of oc's"

doubt a vet oc like childress comes here if he can't call the plays...

more likely we get a young up and comer who would be good with it to further his career.

I don't know about everyone else but I DEFINITELY don't want some young up and comer to come here and be our OC. I want someone with experience who's been there long enough to know what they're doing.

I am not sure who was a bigger problem this year Colt or Shurmur.
I think it is Shurmur

Just a general comment .....

Picking a well established DC worked out pretty well .....

It did, and I'm certainly not opposed to getting an established OC...but what good ones are out of work?

Childress was a damn good OC. He sucked as a head coach, but he was a good OC.

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Previously, Browns president Mike Holmgren stated he preferred Shurmur serve as head coach and offensive coordinator

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that's a FLAT OUT LIE.. He's making it up..,

Holmgren said in a presser about a month or so ago that they WANTED TO hire an OC last off season but the guy they wanted wasn't available so they went with Shurmur as HC and OC.

In that same presser, Holmgren said that they will probably hire an OC this offseason.

Who was it that was questioning me about when the press misinforms.. Was it Peen, OS Guy which one or was it both..

There you go,,

I think, again, that they mean that Shurmur will give up play calling, instead of hiring an OC and continuing to call his own plays.

I think that they just used OC as play caller.

i want the best most experienced guy too....i'm simply stating that if shurmur is intent on calling his own plays he might limit the field to younger guys that want a chance.

he said what daman said....holmgren also said even after hiring an oc that he expects shurmur to still call his own plays...he even cracked a joke about "nobody called plays better than me"

maybe shurmur gives it up if a guy like childress wants to come here, but it all depends what the problem was too....if its gameday calling of plays? or the plays that are designed for the opponent.

I just read the words,, He said an OC.. so thats what I'm going with..

I'm not sure which way you're going.

Holmgren said that they were going to hire an offensive coordinator after the season, but that he expected that Shurmur would continue to call plays.

If they hire an offensive coordinator and that coordinator calls the plays, that would be a change from what they had previously said.

Nope,won't be him.
He was available last year and wasn't hired.
Per Holmgren,we are waiting on that one very special guy to become available.

I've got no issue with Childress as our OC. Whether he calls plays or not.

There were so many complaints about Dick Jauron, and that's turned out pretty good so far. Brad Childress was a successful O-Coordinator, otherwise he wouldn't have been hired as a head coach.

I dunno if he'd come here, but I think he'd do pretty well. Although he didn't do well as play caller in Minn. and didn't call plays in Philadelphia. So may be he wouldn't mind coming here and having Shurmur continue to call the plays.

No matter what, I think he'd help our offense be more successful. That and better players

Chilly spent a lot of time in Cleveland before training camp and during training camp. There was even some talk that we backed off Viking players due to his suggestions and medical concerns. The only reason he didnt take the job last year is that the Vikings were still paying him. Anyway a lot can change in a few months but I suspect it will either be Chilly or Mike Sherman.

Sherman or Childress both sound good to me. Both experienced and have been successful in the past.

Give me Sherman, he is very familiar with what we are trying to do. Childress, is a good OC also, neither would make me mad.

But I'm willing to bet if it is Sherman, he will calls the plays. Holmgren not seeing what we did with Shurmur, is a foolish thought if you ask me. I would be surprised if he automatically gave the playcalling to Shurmur.

Look, Holmgren and Heckert are judging Shurmur just as we are, I gaurantee it. To not would be the highest form of incompetence. With the head coaching experience on the staff other than Shurmur, I'm sure that someone would understand what needs to be done for the offense. A proven OC with success at playcalling will not be superceded by the HC, I just don't see how on this level, a move like that would made.

Earlier this year ESPN the Magazine detailed Greg Knapp (the Texans QB coach) and Rick Dennison (the Texans OC) roles on the Texans. Their jobs are to gameplan all week long and pick the best plays for the week, then on gameday Gary Kubiak is the playcaller with input from both Knapp and Dennison. I'd imagine that we will have a similar type of system next year.

Try to envision a middle ground that works for everyone...the OC, who is sitting upstairs, phones down the play to his HC... then Shurmur relays the play to the QB on the field.

...thus, Shurmur is calling the plays...that his OC is calling from upstairs...problem solved.

Generally, in that setup, the QB coach signals in the play. (and only if the headsets don't work for some reason)

Your setup would almost make the head coach subordinate to the coordinator.

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Your setup would almost make the head coach subordinate to the coordinator.

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yt...many teams operate in this fashion, with a guy upstairs, usually the OC, calling the play to a man on the sidelines who relays over the headphones to the QB.

...if Holmgren says, this is how it's going to be done, I doubt Shurmur is going to argue. Face it, Shurmur "needs" some ojt from someone who is experienced in the play calling department.

...OC upstairs calls the play to Shurmur, who relays to the QB...problem solved.

But your setup would have the head coach as the intermediary ...... and subordinate.

I just don't see it happening.