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NFL channel is now reporting Childress expected to be named OC... for the Browns.

Is Chilly an Up in the Booth kind of OC, or an on the Sidelines?

I guess we don't really know, as he never called the plays in Philly so, and obviously was on the sidelines in Minny...

I like my D Coordinators on the field, and my Offensive coordinators in the booth, dunno why...

Guess Aaron Eckhart just left a good impression on me...

I think I've already talked myself into the Brad Childress era. I mean, there has to be some reason why he was hired as a head coach in the NFL. And if anything he is an experienced west coast offense guy that Shurmur now has to bounce ideas off of. Whoever our QB is will have a building full of people who have worked with elite QB's (Shurmur, Holmgren, Childress, Whipple). That can't be a bad thing, right? Right?!?!

http://news-herald.com/articles/2012/01/27/sports/nh5025031.prt

Browns: Signs pointing to Brad Childress joining Pat Shurmur as offensive coordinator

Friday, January 27, 2012

The Browns' search for an offensive coordinator is pointing directly to Brad Childress.

All along, Childress, former head coach of the Vikings, and Mike Sherman, former head coach of the Packers, were the leading candidates to join Pat Shurmur's staff.

Sherman is expected to be named offensive coordinator of the Miami Dolphins today.

Shurmur and Childress know each other well. They both joined Andy Reid's staff in Philadelphia in 1999 — Childress as quarterbacks coach and Shurmur as the tight ends and offensive line coach. Childress was promoted to offensive coordinator in 2003. Shurmur was elevated to quarterback coach in 2002. Shurmur held that position until he was made offensive coordinator of the Rams in 2009.

Childress was a candidate to replace fired Jim Caldwell in Indianapolis, but Colts owner Jim Irsay on Thursday chose to hire Chuck Pagano. Childress' candidacy in Indy is another reason his potential hiring by the Browns was delayed.

Whether Childress would call plays is something he, Shurmur and team president Mike Holmgren have to hash out. Shurmur doubled as offensive coordinator in 2011 when the Browns scored 218 points, a figure that ranked 30th in the league.

Shurmur said calling plays is the fun part of the job, but he said he would turn over the play calling if he thought it would help the offense. Having Childress run the offense and call plays would be a smooth transition because Shurmur and Childress both learned under Reid, who coached under Holmgren in Green Bay.

Childress coached the Vikings from the start of 2006 through 10 games of the 2010 season. The Vikings were 6-10 his first year then 8-8 and 10-6 in 2008 when Minnesota won the NFC North. The next year the Vikings acquired Brett Favre and went 12-4.

Childress' downfall came in 2010 when, according to reports, he butted heads with Vikings owner Zygi Wilf over cutting Randy Moss without consulting Wilf.

The Vikings were 3-7 when he was fired on Nov. 22, 2010.

so why didn't they bring him a board last year? he was available. this doesn't add up with the story they told saying that the "right guy" was not available.

Not a big Childress fan, When he was a head coach he screwed up the vikings Offence, whats so hard about Peterson left, Peterson right, short toss for first down, So I have to see what he can bring, hope he proves me wrong, Dick Jaron proved me wrong and I loved it, now chilly please do the same...

I have a serious question .......

We were at expansion level for scoring last year. We actually outscored that 1999 expansion team by exactly 1 point.

How much worse could we possibly be with Childress on board?

If he's not calling plays, how much of a difference on game day do you expect the guy to be?

Childress sounds like Plan B to me...we waited it out for Sherman, now that he's gone...we settle for Childress and make it look like his HC chance with the Colts was the holdup, BS...if that was the case why didn't we hire him the moment Pagano landed there? I would have prefered Sherman too, so I don't blame them

I realize that it's the way things go often and hope Childress is to the Offense what Jauron was to the D...having 2 former HCs as Coords is a luxury for a rebuilding team

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so why didn't they bring him a board last year? he was available. this doesn't add up with the story they told saying that the "right guy" was not available.

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Maybe he wanted time off. Maybe he wasn't the right guy last year (looking at other guys, maybe).

It's hard to say, but I don't know if there's any conspiracy here. Maybe Shurmur deep down wanted to call his own plays last year and this year realized it's more than he thought, so he went after the right guy now.

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so why didn't they bring him a board last year? he was available. this doesn't add up with the story they told saying that the "right guy" was not available.

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Maybe because the Vikings were paying him about 6 million not to coach and he also landed the gig on NFL network doing the Coaches show with Billick.

question: if you get fired while on contract, I know you still get paid the rest of your deal (unless you play in Oakland), but if you take another nfl job, does that deal get voided?

Yes. Once you take another job with an NFL team, your contract becomes voided in almost all circumstances, some are voided if you take a college job as well as another NFL job.

Forgot to add sometimes, the old team will have to pay the difference. Say you take a job making 1 mil and your old contract was paying you 6. The old team would now pay 5.

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But also after reading that Sherman wants to get back to being a HC...and it seems the sooner the better....It put a red flag up for me..

Lets say Sherman came to the Browns....Did a great job for a season..then bolted to become a HC...Now here we are starting all over again searching for an OC...And who knows..who would be available to get...

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If his motivation really is to be a head coach again real soon then he's probably going to want to go somewhere that he can have an immediate impact.. and that could swing one of two ways... One, there are probably offenses that appear to be in better shape than ours and ready to make a nice leap which would look good for him... the other side is that ours was SO bad that any leap at all is going to appear to be nothing short of a miracle, also looking good for him.

don't forget Haskell too

A) Throw out a bunch of Shurmy's playcalling and replace it with something more aggressive.

B) Decide what kind of team and attack you hope to have and get those guys. Currently, we are a FG-oriented team offense. Ironically, we are a WCO with marginal QBs and sadly ineffective receivers and playcalling that hasn't gotten enough points regularly, especially for tight games. Furthermore, we are a power running game wannabe club without an O line that produces that type of ball control results.

Decide what you will be first, get the OC to score some more points with better personnel and improved attacks, and get after it. OK with Chilly.

I don't think you worry aboiut if a guy will leave for a better job,, in fact, you know that if he does a good job, he's gonna get tapped for a bigger job. It's only a matter of time.

If Chilly comes in here, does a bang up job, hes just as likely to get offers to be a HC somewhere..

Nope,, what you do is hire the best possible guy then deal with what happens when it happens..

Which by the way is about a direct opposite to the way I'd handle hiring someone in my business.. funny... but true

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Is it more likely to assume Chilly stays in Cleveland for 3 seasons...establishing some kind of an offensive identity... Factoring in that he has already interviewed this year for a HC'ing job...and failed to land one..

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It doesn't really matter all that much because with how we are set up now, bringing in a new OC doesn't mean a new system.
Our system is set now and isn't going to change. Our coaches will be hired to fit the philosophy, not to bring one in.

We just need someone that knows it, and knows it the way Holmgren wants it to run. With that established.... the OC is more a game-planner and play caller, so continuity isn't as much of a concern as it would normally be.


Dare I say it? - We may be at the start of having some stability with something.

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Dare I say it? - We may be at the start of having some stability with something.

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Shhhh - don't jinx it!

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If he's not calling plays, how much of a difference on game day do you expect the guy to be?

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Even if Shurmur is calling plays, we still don't know if he will or not, then it will make a huge difference. He will at least have someone else to do a lot of the offensive coordinator work, giving him time to work on other head coach things (I don't know what these things are, but I'm sure there are some things Shurmur will do this year that he couldn't do last year.) It's another voice in the room giving a different perspective on how things will work.

There was a very good article in ESPN the Magazine a few months ago about the game-day preparation the Houston Texans go through. It basically showed that their QB coach (Greg Knapp), offensive coordinator (Rick Dennison), and QB (Matt Schuab) game planned during the week (coming up with plays, breaking down the film, etc.). Then later on in the week they would brief the head coach/play caller (Gary Kubiak) on the results of their work and he would use that information to call the plays during the game. They Texans also run a form of the west coast offense (Walsh -> Seifert -> Shanahan -> Kubiak) so one could ASSume that we might do something similar.

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It basically showed that their QB coach (Greg Knapp), offensive coordinator (Rick Dennison), and QB (Matt Schuab) game planned during the week (coming up with plays, breaking down the film, etc.). Then later on in the week they would brief the head coach/play caller (Gary Kubiak) on the results of their work and he would use that information to call the plays during the game.

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I agree. Whether Childress calls the plays or not, he's going to have a major role handling the game planning every week. A lot of duties Shurmur was doing, will be done by Childress, and Shurmur should get more of a chance to oversee the entire operation.

I do think a lot of the playcalling last year that was upsetting was because our team really didn't understand the WCO. A full offseason with it, for our QB and our coach to implement will make things much better.

It doesn't excuse the Alex Smith handoff against the Rams (when he fumbled the football), but I do think things will be better next year, no matter what. I do think we'll expand what we did on offense no matter what, but that's gonna be a big part of Childress' job, and another thing taken off Shurmur's plate.

To me, having no O-Coordinator, a new offensive system, and no offseason last year before Training Camp, really killed our offense which already looked pretty bad.

not to mention a huge portion of that work is the scripting of the plays. that first 10-20 plays that is designed to figure out how the defense is going to attack/adjust (lots of film work to design those best).

having someone else responsible for that huge portion of work could only be beneficial I would think.