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Am I crazy or should we be considering Matt Flynn as our next QB? I am not sure whether or not he is a free agent or not, but I wouldn't be scared to trade for him either.
The Packers game today was Flynn's interview for all NFL teams interested.
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I don't know if Matt Flynn is the answer but I do know he made himself a TON of money today.
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I don't know if Matt Flynn is the answer but I do know he made himself a TON of money today.
I hope to the God above it's not the Browns money.
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He looked better then our qb's today.
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+1, FA QB that hasn't seen that much action, hasn't had teams game plan against him (or see enough of him to game plan against him). That's called risky
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He looked better then our qb's today.
If we settle for just better than our QB's, then it will be quite easy to make fans happy this offseason.
you had a good run Hank.
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He looked better then our qb's today.
Who didn't . . . ?
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He looked better then our qb's today.
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I don't know if Matt Flynn is the answer but I do know he made himself a TON of money today.
I hope to the God above it's not the Browns money.
Ditto.
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Kelly Holcomb had big games every now and then. Plus he's sourrounded with some of the best receivers/tight ends in the game. I'd pass.
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He looked better then our qb's today.
Let Flynn play on this team. I dunno if that'll be the case. He's on the Green Bay Packers, everything is going right for them. They lost one game this season. Their offense is completely in-synch.
Here, that isn't the case, less talent, 1st year our offense has seen the WCO. Problems on the right side of our O-Line.
I just don't think it would be the same
FA QB track records have generally been poor. Especially backup FA's
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I don't know if Matt Flynn is the answer but I do know he made himself a TON of money today.
I hope to the God above it's not the Browns money.
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Couldn't have put it better myself.
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I took a dump after an all nighter of beef and bean buritos while drinking Little kings that looked better than our QBs.
As for Flynn, he looked good the first half. he looked real good in the 3rd. He looked PHENOMENAL in the 4th with the game on the line. One of the best performances I have seen and he wasn't throwing to wide open receivers. These guys were covered pretty good but he was still hitting.
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After seeing more dropped passes from our receivers..
what QB would want to come here...Knowing this team leads the league in dropped passes...Thats not going to make any QB look good...
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The Lions defense has been real suspect as of late...
We better not get this guy!!
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Yes, please. Been saying it all season. Today was just the icing on the cake. I'd take him if he put up 1/3 the numbers that he did today every game.
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I'd take him over every QB in the draft other than Luck. But I wouldn't take him over McCoy.
He comes in knowing the system with game film playing in NFL games. And he's had success.
My QB desire depth chart goes like this:
1. Luck
2. Colt
3. Flynn
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I think he's worth a look as long as he's not too expensive, he showed a nice deep ball in the cold weather.
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I think he's worth a look as long as he's not too expensive, he showed a nice deep ball in the cold weather.
agreed. as long as he isn't crazy Kolb level expensive, why not give him a look?
Colt needs someone to compete with him, RGIII could be gone (if someone trades up), and he has his own questions.
to me - Flynn + Blackmon (I know - StL Kalil and Minny Claiborne?) is better for us than RGIII.
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RG3 will never make it to #4. Phins are gonna be all over that draft #2 pick besides, I dont think he is worth that high of a pick anyway but he will go that high.
Flynn will get big money no doubt about it. If we go that route, we will be offering a deal similar to Kevin Kolb.
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Ok, put today aside. He had a great game, but I don't judge QBs on one game.
What has he done before today that makes you say he is starting QB material? What intangibles does he have? Will he be a team leader, etc.?
And don't come back with "well, none of the guys we have have those things." That's a cop out. Just because our guys might not be great doesn't mean that every other QB can lead us to the SB.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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what QB would want to come here...
"Hi Mr. Flynn ... We not only are going to give you big money to be an NFL starter ... we also have 3 picks in the top 36 (give or take one) to get you a pair of first round big time weapons (maybe the best WR or two that we can grab?) and a top notch Right Tackle... Plus if we sign you we could always pick up another free agent or two ala the mold of DeSean Jackson ... by the way you will be protected by one of the best Left Tackles in the game, you will have a run game potentially anchored by Alex Mack and solidified by Peyton Hillis and Brandon Jackson as your 3rd down back who was your teammate in GBay ....) You will also have Steinbach back ... but if not then the weak link on our line will be a 3rd year player in Lauvao (who isn't horrible) or 2nd year player Pinkston (who came along quite well).
Did we mention that we will actually have an offseason and a chance for everyone to work together to get on the same page ... finally? And even if it takes time to gel, we still have a top 5 to 10 defense anchored by youth as well that is coming along.... so really if you can put together drives and score 3 or 4 times a game in the range of 20 to 30 points then we can compete for playoffs in your first year here..."
Yeah I think we are a LITTLE more attractive than we have been in the past, but a lot of it WILL ABSOLUTELY hinge on this upcoming offseason. We can make MAJOR strides or we can continue the path of hoping for mediocrity.... but if we decide Flynn is our guy ... I think we have the ability to seem attractive. Not saying we DO want him or not ... but if we draft weapons and snag one or two in free agency we can see huge increases heading into next year.
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I got two words for you: Scott Mitchell.
There wasn't a large body of work to look at on Mitchell and he got a HUGE payday in Detroit. There isn't that much to Flynns body of work to hang your hat on. the kid apparently had a great game today,, But don't forget, he's playing on a team that won the superbowl last year and ended the season 15-1 this year.
The Browns aren't anywhere near that good..
So a little caution should be exercised..
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I am not the biggest Flynn backer, I'd rather stay with Colt than sign Flynn, I will answer your questions. Quote:
What has he done before today that makes you say he is starting QB material?
He started one game last year, his only start in the NFL, against the Patriots and played very well. Almost leading the Packers to victory in New England. He was 24/37 for 251 yards, 3 TD's, and a pick.
He has been stuck behind Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay, meaning he has had no real chance to play. Green Bay runs an offense very similar to ours, so he has been in our system for his whole NFL career.
From his limited action it seems like he can make NFL throws. Although he while playing with Green Bay he has had weapons that most QB's don't have.
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He led LSU to the National Championship and was the offensive MVP of the game. So I would think he is a pretty good leader and hard working.
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Ok, fair enough. Tough to tell how good he is if teams don't get tape on him. And, tough to tell how good he's going to be when he doesn't have the Packers around him. Quote:
He led LSU to the National Championship and was the offensive MVP of the game. So I would think he is a pretty good leader and hard working.
Like Vince Young?
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Say what you want about Vince Young, he was a great leader of the Texas football team and even of the Titans for a couple of years.
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After seeing more dropped passes from our receivers..
what QB would want to come here...Knowing this team leads the league in dropped passes...Thats not going to make any QB look good...
I think any QB that wants Randys money will come here. Especially with Holmgren running the show.
I know there are some folks on here that don't care for him or don't think he's the right man for the job, But around the league, holmgren commands lots of respect. Much more than ordinary fans around here give him.
Besides, take a guy like Flynn for instance, if that's the direction they chose to go. if I have this correct, he's an UFA. we get him, and still maintain two first round picks and 8 others in this upcoming draft. We can get a stud receiver, RB and RT and that would change the composition of the offense overnight.
Assuming that flynn is real and the picks work out.
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Actually, it is his 2nd start in the NFL.
Regardless, as impressive as today's game was, Detroit is 23 in pass defense and total defense, and are also 23rd in scoring defense. Their defense will give them major problems in the playoffs, because they suck. (despite having that great DL)
I also worry when a backup has one great start. It's obviously not indicative of what to expect from him on another team, and the Lions defense almost looked shell shocked as things started rolling.
The 2 QB in that game today threw for exactly 1000 yards. It was one of those games ..... and probably not anything you will ever see from him ever again.
Let's not forget that Kelly Holcomb looked great once upon a time too .......
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Put DA, Quinn, Frye, Wallace, McCoy in Green Bay and they are probably back to being a 6 win team at best. Our OL is playing better than their OL. The big difference is Packers receivers catch the ball in stride with a difficulty level of 1. Our guys the ball is everywhere and more often than not the difficulty level is atleast 7 or above with the ball high and behind and the defender bearing down on them.
I am not even endorsing Flynn but I saw him make a lot of really simple throws that our QBs just are not making.
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Sorry, I didn't know if Rodgers started or not.
Also, I want to be clear in saying that I am not in favor of bringing in Flynn over McCoy. I was just answering the questions posed by the poster I replied to.
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"But around the league, holmgren commands lots of respect. Much more than ordinary fans around here give him."
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Sorry, I didn't know if Rodgers started or not.
Also, I want to be clear in saying that I am not in favor of bringing in Flynn over McCoy. I was just answering the questions posed by the poster I replied to.
No, Flynn started, and had a spectacular game.
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Even if it's one game he's played and looked really good it's one MORE than any of our QB's have looked like for a long long TIME. Accident or due to the players around him, at least he's shown he can take advantage of the situation and has the skill set to put up those kinds of games. I don't see any Brown's QB's scoring 40 points with Green Bay's players.
NO way in heck do the Browns go into next season without a new QB here. Ain't happening. Flynn, RG3, Luck.. whatever. Pick your horse and move on.
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Any concerns over Flynn's height? I think he's, what, 6'2"?
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I got two words for you: Scott Mitchell.
There wasn't a large body of work to look at on Mitchell and he got a HUGE payday in Detroit. There isn't that much to Flynns body of work to hang your hat on. the kid apparently had a great game today,, But don't forget, he's playing on a team that won the superbowl last year and ended the season 15-1 this year.
The Browns aren't anywhere near that good..
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Thats so far from the truth,the Browns and Packers do not run the same WCO offense.
The Packers attack and flood areas differently with their passing game.They level off defenses.
The Browns run a WCO version is closer to going horizonal than vertical.
Matt Flynn has more intangibles than any Browns QB since '99.
Matt Flynn has had the privledge to sit and learn behind Aaron Rodgers,who sat behind Brett Farve.
Matt Flynn is recieving some of the best position coaching in the NFL
would he get it in Cleveland?...probally not....
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Thats so far from the truth,the Browns and Packers do not run the same WCO offense.
The Packers attack and flood areas differently with their passing game.They level off defenses.
The Browns run a WCO version is closer to going horizonal than vertical.
Matt Flynn has more intangibles than any Browns QB since '99.
Matt Flynn has had the privledge to sit and learn behind Aaron Rodgers,who sat behind Brett Farve.
Matt Flynn is recieving some of the best position coaching in the NFL
would he get it in Cleveland?...probally not....
GB offense has evolved from the WCO over years of running that offense and I think that this offense must do the same and I believe it will, because this being the first year without the benefit of a off season to implement it to young players at key positions was key in limiting this teams ability to execute anything but basic offense.
Add to that a rookie head Coach trying to also handle the OC duties as well.
That wasn't exactly a recipe for a successful offense.
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I took a dump after an all nighter of beef and bean buritos while drinking Little kings that looked better than our QBs.
As for Flynn, he looked good the first half. he looked real good in the 3rd. He looked PHENOMENAL in the 4th with the game on the line. One of the best performances I have seen and he wasn't throwing to wide open receivers. These guys were covered pretty good but he was still hitting.
i said it last offseason, i said it a week ago on another thread, and i'll say it now...Flynn is who we should be targeting to be our next QB....
Flynn is a "Prototypical" WCO QB....he was literally bred and designed to run this offense...he has sat behind two greats and has been "molded" to be a WCO system QB...he would struggle in any other system...good news for us is we run the WCO
Besides, rumors are that Holmgren tried to trade with Green Bay for Flynn last year....but the Packers wouldn't budge on the deal...so im 100% certain Holmgren is looking at that Flynn film today and i bet he is licking his chops...
we sign Flynn(which i think we will) you cna forget about a QB in the 1st RD....now WR we will most definitly nab pick one....we will get Flynn some playmakers in here...I also think Colt stays on the team as a #2....why not...he is young and could still develop into something down the road...maybe sitting behind Flynn will do colt some good...colt is making peanuts and is still young...no reason to give up on him...let him develop...and go with Flynn for now...colt reminds me of rich Gannon....Gannon did not do very well his 1st 4 or 5 years in the league...but he sat in KC for awhile before going to the Raiders where he "so called got it"
i could see something simlair with colt...maybe a year or two of being developed in the background would do colt some good, and do us some good at the same time...holmgren is known for developing QB...signing Flynn gives us the time to not only develop colt, but to develop other young QB as well.
signing flynn is a win-win for us...think Matt Schuab...i think he has a simlair impact for us..a good young up and coming QB....i think we can get him...he will be guaranteed to be the starter here day one, and thats what he wants...he plays in the same kinda weather, he knows the system...i think we got a winner with Flynn,...and we have the cash to spend....so that shouldn't be the issue...
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Flynn is a "Prototypical" WCO QB....he was literally bred and designed to run this offense...he has sat behind two greats and has been "molded" to be a WCO system QB...he would struggle in any other system...
He had a great game, but let's not get carried away with the hyperbole...
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If you go back and read back I originally posted you will see that I said: Quote:
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Thats so far from the truth,the Browns and Packers do not run the same WCO offense.
That's weird, because I never said they run the same offense. Thanks for making stuff up though. 
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