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For an interesting thread...what are some what ifs...or possibilities that you want/would consider...
Prioritze mine in terms of likelihood and what you would like...
Sign Matt Flynn...I'd say it would take $50+ mil to get him. **
Sign Jason Campbell
Sign Josh Johnson
Sign Dennis Dixon
Sign Arian Foster if he reaches the market
Sign the law-firm
Re-sign Hillis
Sign Mike Tolbert *
Sign Earnest Graham
Sign Ryan Grant
Sign Danny Amendola
Sign Dwayne Bowe
Sign Marques Colston (chances are NO wont be able to sign him cuz of Brees) *
Sign Braylon Edwards (maybe he'd want to return to the place where hes paying kids to go to college, ALSO, the only place he's had success)
Sign Pierre Garcon
Sign Anthony Gonzalez
Sign Robert Meachem...see Marques Colston
Sign Roscoe Parrish
Sign Reggie Wayne
Sign Wes Welker (will he make it to free agency? I doubt he does)
Sign Ryan Diem *
Sign Kareem McKenzie
Sign Joe Staley
Sign Ben Grubbs *
Sign Roberto Garza (again)
Sign John Abraham
Sign Red Bryant
Sign Raheem Brock
Sign Adam Carriker
Sign Israel Idonije *
Sign Robert Mathis
Sign Juqua Parker
Sign Amobi Okoye
Sign Jon Beason
Sign Keith Brooking
Sign Bradie James
Sign Jarret Johnson (if he makes it to FA...cept i doubt it) **
Sign Mario Williams *** This would be my highest priority guy...great DEnd
Re-sign Mike Adams **** highest priority inside guy
Sign Brent Grimes
Sign Rashean Mathis
Sign Reggie Nelson *Good FS
Sign Aaron Ross
Sign Bob Sanders...we need a good FS, give him an incentive based contract based on playing time
Sign Terrell Thomas *
Thats the FA list and guys im interested in:
* goes by the guys i am most interested in on the FA list...
possibilities? of course...all these are pending that they dont get re-signed by their teams..
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Sign Braylon Edwards (maybe he'd want to return to the place where hes paying kids to go to college, ALSO, the only place he's had success)
Jim Brown has a better chance of playing for us in 2012.
Also, no mention of Calais Campbell? I want him over any available defensive player.
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I'd like to sign WR - Robert Meachem. I don't think Dwayne Bowe will be a FA, nor Welker. Marques Colston might draw too high of a pay check, and I think Pierre Garcon will draw a big check. But I'd like to look at both as well as Desean Jackson (whom I think will be a FA)
Re-Sign Hillis.
I don't really like the FA tackles that you've got listed here. Diem and McKenzie are both 32 and have played 10 seasons. I'd have to take a good look at them before really trusting them to be our RT next year, but both are starters....... And I know McKenzie at least was adequate on the Jets for a little while
I agree that Ben Grubbs is a good option, but it's all about cost. He'd definitely be an upgrade to our O-Line (but isn't he a LG, we need someone to play on the right side)
The top guy out of everyone on this list I'd try to sign is Mario Williams. Bring him back to the 4-3. Only issue is, he plays on the same side of the D-Line as Sheard. But I think I heard someone saying Sheard would be able to transition over to the side the LT is on. A great defensive end to match with Sheard would do wonders for our defense.
Reggie Nelson would be a fine pickup but I think the Bengals will keep him. He's had a very good season with them. Mike Adams isn't that bad either. He isn't good, but he's okay.
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I like Pierre Garcon as a realistic target. Guys like Bowe won't make the market.
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We need a free safety.Ward willbe a good strong safety,Adams is one hellofa 3rd,Young should go back to NO.
Please don't mention moving Brown over.Rarely does that work,it takes an exceptional football player to make it happen.
Another rush DE.I see why Mitchell didn't get playing time in Minny,he shouldn't get much here either.
More speed at OLB.
And depth everywhere.
I don't have e nough time to watch the Browns,so I don't see the rest of the NFL.There's my FA wish list,maybe you guys can fill it out for me.
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I like Pierre Garcon as a realistic target. Guys like Bowe won't make the market.
I don't know. I don't think Indy let's Garcon get to the market. Reggie Wayne (older + dropped off w/o Peyton unlike Pierre) has a better chance to actually get to market.
If he does, then I'm all-in on Garcon as well. Great guy to go after.
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But I think I heard someone saying Sheard would be able to transition over to the side the LT is on.
My hope is that we leave Sheard on the strong side and add a RDE.
It ain't broken there, so let's not create two (ifs).
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I can't emphasize enough how we need to find another DT to rotate in and help keep Rubin and Taylor fresh.
Rubin especially has had to play on far too many snaps and it hurts our run defense when we can't keep him fresh imo.
Paxson is a real baller (and I appreciate his effort), albeit an undersized one who's game is not quickness, and getting penetration, but Schaefering is not adequate for the task and is only good for spot duties.
He is no more then a backup 34 DE imo.
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I like Pierre Garcon as a realistic target. Guys like Bowe won't make the market.
I don't know. I don't think Indy let's Garcon get to the market. Reggie Wayne (older + dropped off w/o Peyton unlike Pierre) has a better chance to actually get to market.
If he does, then I'm all-in on Garcon as well. Great guy to go after.
I can see Bowe being franchised.....not sure Indy would do that with Garcone.
They will make him a nice offer. I just think he will test the waters untagged.
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I read the same thing. He would be nice to have but he is a headcase with extra legal baggage.
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I want surgical strikes.
here are some I think we could get that would help.
1)Courtland Finnergan CB. this hard as nail cb is a sure tackler and has a nose for the ball. having 2 corners that frustrate wrs would help.
2) Jim Leonard S Jets, this smart heady player could really Help TJ Ward blossom by being the center fielder and helping TJ in coverage. makes both safety positions a strength
3) harry Douglas wr falcons, nice speed, young, good hands was moved back to #3wr in ATL yet could easily be our #1. ready to breakout.
4) brandon Loyd WR Rams: fantastic hands and could keep the chins moving and move Momass off the team, and teach the other WRs how to catch with their hands.
get these 4 players and skew the draft towards other needs.
Resign Peyton Hillis. Please don't leave a GAPING vacuum at RB with the likes of hardesty and the broke down gang.
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Michael Bush
Joe Staley
John Abraham
Would love to ask H & H this question, You say the Browns are not going to be active in FA, but don't you have to spend a certain amount of your cap this year, like 90+%? How are you going to do this with just our players and the draft? It is not possible H & H?
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I like Pierre Garcon as a realistic target. Guys like Bowe won't make the market.
I agree. Guys like Garçon or Meachem ....that will be the realistic tier we can expect to target.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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1)Courtland Finnergan CB. this hard as nail cb is a sure tackler and has a nose for the ball. having 2 corners that frustrate wrs would help.
Isn't he the player that was mad that he wasn't voted the direst player in the League by his peers
Seriously though he is a pretty tough cookie.
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I believe that this draft is supposed to be pretty deep at CB. I would think that we would probably look there as opposed to spending a great deal of money in free agency.
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2) Jim Leonard S Jets, this smart heady player could really Help TJ Ward blossom by being the center fielder and helping TJ in coverage. makes both safety positions a strength
Doubt this guy will be let go by the Jets. He's very popular around here. Folks love him.
But I'd love to see him in a browns uniform
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People wanted him last time he was a free agent as well. Many thought we had a chance at signing him because Kokinis helped "discover" him. Little did we know that Kokinis had his legs cut out from under him.
I would love to have Leonhard as long as he's healthy (he blew out his knee). But like you said, people in New York love him (including, most importantly, his coach).
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Since the Browns have TJ Ward, and all the talk recently is how Sheldon Brown will go to Safety soon, I doubt that the Browns go sign another Safety.
I hope that they re-sign Adams. They have Young and Ward, and Brown will probably compete for a starting Safety position. (Not at all my first choice, just what has been reported a fair amount lately)
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I like Pierre Garcon as a realistic target. Guys like Bowe won't make the market.
I agree. Guys like Garçon or Meachem ....that will be the realistic tier we can expect to target.
I'm thinking Mario Williams can be expected to be brought in. 
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I would go very hard after Mario Williams, as a DE. He is the iconic DE, the kind of player we all thought Courtney Brown was going to be. The Texans may have to use their franchise tag for Foster.
Others that interest me are QB's Flynn and Campbell, re-signing Hillis (with the intention of drafting Richardson), WR's Garcon, Meachem, and Gonzalez.
Some might say it makes no sense to re-sign Hillis and draft Richardson, but I want to spread carries out to keep both players fresh in December. I could also see 3rd down situations where Hillis could line up at FB - with Richardson - and be our Tom Rathman / William Henderson type WCO FB.
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If any one of these guys:
Mario Williams (DE)
Vincent Jackson (WR)
Dwayne Bowe (WR)
Pierre Garcon (WR)
Robert Meachem (WR)
Cliff Avril (DE)
Carlos Rogers (CB)
are available, I would certainly hope we would go hard after them and offering them the kind of contract high level talent deserves. Obviously, these guys aren't all on the same tier, but I think every single one of them would be a huge upgrade over what we have. There seems to be a lot of talent in FA this year at positions of need for us and I hope we take a chance on one or two of these guys and spend the money.
In the case of Mario Williams, I would hope we would offer him something like 6 years/$100 million. Peppers got $91.5 million for the same number of years so I think we'd have to pay a bit of a premium to get him to go on a non-winning team. Mario is only 26 years old, so he'd be here for a while and would instantly be the best player on our defense by a mile.
I'm tired of plugging in average/below average starters and wondering why we are awful year after year. Every single year we have $20+ million in cap room. Make a splash and land a premier talent, it might not work out, but neither has the current strategy, and I'd much rater take a chance on elite talent than another "blue collar" career journeyman.
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Hmm,, Mario Williams on the line with Rubin, Sheard and Taylor.. whew,, that would be pretty damn good.. 
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I would go very hard after Mario Williams, as a DE. He is the iconic DE, the kind of player we all thought Courtney Brown was going to be. The Texans may have to use their franchise tag for Foster.
With Mario Williams on IR after having surgery for a torn peck in Oct...and the fact that the Texans defense continues to perform well without him...the Texans may not feel the pressure to dump a boat load of cash on Williams to resign him.
If the Browns are interested...definitely a possibility.
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Flynn, definitely worth a look...Campbell too, if the Browns are looking to bring in another QB.
Resigning Hillis...a possibility
But, Richardson and Hillis...doubtful.
WR help in free agency...definitely... drafting Richardson could be a priority if the Browns are able to add WR help in FA.
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Adding Flynn and Williams, resigning Hillis, and drafting Claiborne and Wright in round 1, I see know way we are under .500 next year.
We can win with this o-line and safeties (with Ward healthy). Little, Wright, Norwood, Cribbs, and MoMass would be enough to succeed. Add a serviceable LB in draft or FA and definitely see .500 plus.
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I think the Texans really love Williams but I agree with you Mac that with the defense playing the way it is they may not feel the need to majorly pay him...also in Wade's system he's not a DE he's a LB which make less money... it'll be interesting...
I honestly think the Texans will sit down with him and try to figure out a fair deal to keep him because he is one of the cornerstones of the defense... can you imagine if he would have been healthy this year?!? Wow...
but will be interesting.
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What the heck you doing up so early?
Not picking on you,but,I also have seen the posts about moving Brown to safety.It's something that just isn't done that often.I can only thing of acoupla that managed to pull it off,they were exceptional football players.
If we want a FS,go and get one,let's not waste trying to make one.
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Adding Flynn and Williams, resigning Hillis, and drafting Claiborne and Wright in round 1, I see know way we are under .500 next year.
We can win with this o-line and safeties (with Ward healthy). Little, Wright, Norwood, Cribbs, and MoMass would be enough to succeed. Add a serviceable LB in draft or FA and definitely see .500 plus.
I can see one way,,, injuries to the wrong guys... that'll do it every time. We aren't the Packers,, we can't lose 3 or 4 top guys and win a Superbowl... yet!
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Yup. Just look at how devastating that injuries to key players (some of who didn't play a snap) have been to us since the return. Jamir Miller, Zeuss, LCB, Baxter, KWIII, Hillis, Steiny etc. We just haven't had the depth to even come close to making up for the loss of these players. You can also throw Detmer onto that list....forcing us to throw Couch to the wolves before he was ready.
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I never sleep more than a couple of hours at a time anymore before my back wakes me up. Usually, in fact, it's an hour or less.
Anyway ...yeah, I don't like the idea of having Brown play S either, but there is a lot of smoke in that direction.
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One thing I think everyone on this board agrees on is that Sheldon Brown can't play corner anymore. I hope he doesn't play on the Browns at all. He is terrible.
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and I hope to heck we don't put him at safety. he shies away from tackles as a CB. can you imagine him as the last line of defense on runs?
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we disagree alot joe, so I figured I would let you know that we agree on those guys you listed.
i don't think leonard or finnegan get away (their teams both seem to love them), but they could both be under-the-radar signings that reap more benefits than headlines (always a good thing)
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I expect San Diego to lock him up, but Mike Tolbert would be a fantastic fit in Cleveland.
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we disagree alot joe, so I figured I would let you know that we agree on those guys you listed.
i don't think leonard or finnegan get away (their teams both seem to love them), but they could both be under-the-radar signings that reap more benefits than headlines (always a good thing)
I hear Bleacher report saying hillis is gone as well. comforting hearing the front office once again dance in the garden of delusions about the merits of obie 1 and Hardesty and let a top back like Hillis walk. I want to be positive, i really do, but I can't drink the coolaid from berea. Now the hiring of an OC who will call plays seems to have been put on the bck burner . how reassuring.
As far as your thoughts on Finnergan and leonard, I agree we have 0% chance to hire them with the free agent zeros we hire getting really competent players to come to Cleveland under our present circumstance is going to be a hard sell.
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I hear Bleacher report saying hillis is gone as well.
Let me know when it's real...
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This...people will whine about Hillis leaving...but Tolbert is a more durable version of Hillis...I'd rather give Tolbert the money than Hillis
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Let me know when it's real...
pro football talk says NE is interested.
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Let me know when it's real...
pro football talk says NE is interested.
Hmm, let me see,, Josh McDaniels is slated to be thier OC next season if you believe all the recent reports. McDaniels is also the coach that put Hillis on the back burner when he was HC of Denver. McDaniels is also that guy that Traded away Hillis and picks away for Brady Quinn..
Call me crazy, But unless Belichick says we're going for him, McDaniels is not gonna want him.
My guess is, this isn't real..
Like I said, let me know when it happens.. otherwise, it's a little unfair to unleash a torrent of hate on the FO of the Browns for things that HAVEN'T happened.. and may well not.
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It's all just rumor-mongering.... and exceptionally weak rumor-mongering at that.
Does anybody have a comprehensive listing of probable free agents??
Browns is the Browns
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