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It's time for the Browns to spend a first round draft pick on a QB with superior physical ability and upside. No more excuses. No more "build everything else then get the QB" stuff...that philosophy is why we're still stuck in the mud. Time to get our guy, at all costs.

Discuss.

RG3 or Curse for LIFE!!

I think if the evaluations say that this guy is important, then let's use our heads and get him. Whether that is Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, or even someone else then ok.

HOWEVER ... that also means that if the evaluations say we don't quite have a strong enough say then I am NOT for getting a QB just to get a qb. Can you imagine if we burn a top first rounder without being behing it? What if this guy turns into a Sanchez? What if he ends up being a BQ? I understand the absolute need for a franchise QB ... but there will also be a few in next years draft, and the one the year after that .... and the year after that.

Go by the evaluations, run the scenarios ahead of time. Get what you want and for gosh sakes ... PASS UP ON ONE IF WE AREN'T SURE! The last thing I want to see is us drafting a guy we aren't ready to bet our franchise on ... or worse yet TRADING UP to do the same.

So while I would love to get Luck or Griffin if they are what they are supposed to be ... I also don't want to be sitting here in three years saying we STILL don't have a first rounder just because we "needed the franchise quarterback ... no matter what!"

Isn't every thread a qb thread?

I'm full on board with the Flynn talk now... After seeing his performance last game and last year.. and with his history of sitting and learning behind Rodgers for 4 years. I think he can be special and is our most viable option. He'll be an unrestricted free agent.. the only way the packers can get compensation for him is if they franchise him. Which they won't do. If we can get him in free agency for a moderate-high QB deal I'd do it. Luck is gone.. RG3 doesn't really impress me after watching him. With Flynn we still have the high 3 picks this year to find answers elsewhere for the team. WR, RT, and RB could all be had and be impact picks. Something like, T. Richardson RB, K. Wright WR, and L. Adcock RT would be great.

Flynn, McCoy, Lewis
Richardson, Hardesty, Jackson
Marecic, Hillis
Little, Wright, Norwood, Cribbs, Mass
Watson, Cameron, Moore
Thomas
Steiny
Mack
Pinkston
Adcock

I could see some points put up by that offense... sprinkle in some defensive rookies and free agents we should be able to compete right away. And heck, if Flynn falls flat on his face we still have McCoy who's young and at certain times looks the part (few and far between though). All while preserving our picks.

Weeden has some good intangibles in terms of his toughness and leadership qualities.

Weeden has plenty in his game that needs fixing and when you add in his accelerated age on top of that, that's going to really hurt his stock. He has good accuracy when throwing to the center of the field but his accuracy throwing to the sidelines is pretty bad (he gets bailed out a TON by his receivers making great catches on sideline throws). His footwork isn't great - compounded further by the fact that he's operated pretty much entirely out of the shotgun when passing. He doesn't feel backside pressure well at all. His decision-making is pretty questionable when under pressure.

It was just a joke for Turk.

Here we go Mr. Luck

LMFAO

You guys kill me. So it was his fault the coach called 3 straight runs inside the red zone and "put it in the hands" of a freshman kicker....whose knees were shaking on the sidelines, was white as a sheet and I thought might actually puke on the field? I mean he missed THREE FG tonight lol. But that's on Luck, yeah ok.

Trade whatever we need to in order to go get this man.

Luck...27-31 and 11+YPA...Wow...

Browns may take a shot at Packers QB Matt Flynn...Luck...RGIII...

By Steve Doerschuk
CantonRep.com staff writer

BEREA —

There is no question Mike Holmgren would rush soon-to-be-free agent Matt Flynn hard.

The only question is how much the Browns president likes the quarterback who was throwing the high stinkin’ cheddar for the Packers while the big cheese rested up for the playoffs.

What wasn’t to like in Sunday’s 45-41 win over Detroit?

Flynn, 26, a seventh-round draft pick out of LSU in 2008, came in cold, having thrown just five 2011 passes in relief of Aaron Rodgers through 15 games. Yet, he went 31-for-44 for 480 yards and six touchdowns in the win over Detroit.

The game was in cold-weather Lambeau Field on New Year’s Day in a West Coast offense right in Holmgren’s wheelhouse.

No Cleveland Brown, including Hall of Famer Otto Graham, has ever passed for six TDs in a game. Graham never threw for more than 401 yards — the franchise record is 444, by Brian Sipe the year after he was the 1980 NFL MVP.

Paying a ransom to Flynn would be risky. He has started only two games in four NFL seasons.

In his only other NFL start prior to Sunday’s jaw-dropper, though, on Dec. 19, 2010, he passed for 251 yards and three touchdowns in a 31-27 loss at New England.

What evidence there is on Flynn would get any quarterback-seeking team’s attention.

Packers head coach Mike McCarthy called it “one of the best performances I’ve been a part of ... I can't say enough about Matt Flynn. The whole world got to see what we see every day.”

As to the outing skyrocketing his pricetag to teams such as Cleveland, Flynn said, “I’m not thinking about that right now, but a lot of guys are jumping on my back trying to be goofy and saying things like that.”

Browns fans who were paying attention saw Flynn play most of the first half Aug. 13 in a preseason opener at Cleveland. He went 11-of-18 for 126 yards and a touchdown.

Holmgren is the president of the Browns because of his success as a head coach in Green Bay and Seattle. In both of those cities, he painstakingly researched other teams’ quarterbacks, determined whether they could be cornerstones on his team and aggressively pursued them.

Brett Favre was a wild youngster who had a rough rookie year as a Falcons second-round pick when Holmgren went after him. In consort with general manager Ron Wolf, Holmgren’s Packers sent Atlanta a first-round draft pick, No. 19 overall, to get Favre, who had been a No. 33 overall pick.

Holmgren, who will be in his third year as Browns president next season, was Seattle’s third-year head coach when he chased down Matt Hasselbeck in 2001. Hasselbeck had been a sixth-round pick of the Packers, Holmgren’s team at the time, in 1998.

Hasselbeck spent three years as Favre’s backup, but Holmgren took a chance. Holmgren had to move down from the No. 10 overall spot in the ’01 draft to No. 17 and give up a third-rounder to get Hasselbeck.

With Favre, Holmgren went to two Super Bowls. With Hasselbeck, he went to five straight postseasons. Everything he has done in the past and said since he has joined the Browns supports the conclusion he would go after Flynn full bore, if he likes him enough.

Why did Flynn drop to the seventh round in 2008? One factor was his height, 6-foot-2. Another was the fact Flynn spent most of his career at LSU as a backup to JaMarcus Russell.

When he finally became the No. 1 quarterback as a fifth-year senior in 2007, his team had a monster year. In the BCS national championship game against Ohio State, he led LSU to a 38-24.

The Browns’ season ended Sunday with a loss to Pittsburgh, and the record at 4-12. Quarterbacks Colt McCoy and Seneca Wallace posted records of 4-9 and 0-3, respectively. Between them, they generated almost exactly the number of points the 1999 Browns scored as a start-up expansion team.

The sense among the players on the Monday after the final game was one of wondering who next year’s starting quarterback will be.

“That’s not my call,” tight end Evan Moore said. “I don’t even know who the tight end is.”

It’s possible Holmgren and general manager Tom Heckert would agree on a run at probable No. 1 overall draft pick Andrew Luck. They might prefer a veteran. Veteran cornerback Sheldon Brown, who has played in 160 straight regular-season games, touched on the issue Monday.

“If you’re depending on a draft pick to come in here and change your life,” Brown said, “you’re kidding yourself.

“I’ve never been sold on high draft picks.”

Kicker Phil Dawson, who like McCoy is a former Texas Longhorrn, admitted he is “prejudiced” when he said he is “a big Colt McCoy fan” who loves the kid’s “intangibles.”

McCoy, who will turn 26 in September, is 6-15 as an NFL starter. Flynn, who turned 26 in June, is coming off a fantasy league game.

An interesting twist in the Flynn story: The Browns also are weighing the option of spending a No. 4 overall draft pick on Heisman Trophy winner Robert Griffin III.

Griffin played for Baylor, where Flynn’s father, Alvin, was a quarterback in the 1960s.

1. Stick with CM and take BPA at #4
2. Sign Flynn
3. Move up for Luck
4. Take RGIII at #4
5. Move up for RGIII


Of these four possibilities, I like #1 and #2. I could live with #3. #4 would make me very nervous. #5 would have me sharpening my pitchfork and lighting a torch.

How suprised would everyone be if RG3 went before Luck?

For the poster who insisted that players declare for the draft before playing their last collegiate games citing Luck as an example...


http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...-nfl-preference

Updated: January 3, 2012, 8:17 AM ET
Andrew Luck preps for NFL draft

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"Yes, it was worth it," Luck said. "Not to say I enjoyed every moment, because I didn't. But I would never regret it. I felt I grew a lot as a person, as a player."

Luck is still the presumed top choice, due in part to the fact that he leaves Stanford as the school's career leader in total offense, touchdown passes, passing efficiency and completion percentage.

While Luck, a junior, has yet to file any official paperwork or hire an agent, he has said he will head home to West Virginia and make those decisions with his parents, including his father Oliver, a former NFL quarterback.

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McCoy - worst case scenario is another year of him

Seneca - backup only

Flynn - no (just my opinion)

Luck - would love it, but i can't see Heckert unloading picks

RG3 - I think so, hopefully he just falls to us at 4 and we don't have to spend anything other than that pick

Tannehill - intriguing

Weeden - no, I think he's only a good choice for a team ready to win right now. I said it yesterday on Twitter, think 49ers if Alex Smith flames out in the playoffs.

Landry Jones - seems like another DA, probably more upside since he's 1st round material, still doesn't seem like a QB for our system.

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he looks so small. 6'2" 225lbs.. Not a very tall guy..

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Who? Luck???

He's 6'4" and 230+

Not going to get into a Andrew Luck versus RG III comparison. When the draft rolls around one thing I have learned is: " beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

Both players appear to be terrific prospects. Although they look different and play the games differently.

At this stage I believe that RG III is a better prospect than Cam Newton and Mike Vick were coming out of college. More accurate and matches the escape ability. Not as tall as Newton but bigger than Vick. Spread offense QB's.

Andrew Luck is what you would mold together if you were trying to build a QB from clay. Like Michelangelo's David. QB's like him don't come around very often. It is not just what he has done but the way he does it. When you look at form and efficiency Andrew Luck is the real deal. Like Tiger's swing, Andrew Luck has perfect form. He is responsible for 90% plus of the play calling. Stanford plays a pro-set offense.

Andrew Luck does not need bench time to learn to play. He is NFL ready.

RG III coming from Baylor and the system he played in. He has a bit of a learning curve. However, his background indicates that he is a fast learner and willing to work hard.

In the end analysis they are option 1A and 1B. I would like either one.

I still like Colt. I just don't see him as the answer for a AFC North QB. I do believe he can be successful with a warm weather or dome team with a good team around him.

I see no way that Luck is not drafted by the Colts - period. Manning is 36 with questionable health. The team is in decline with a load of aging players. Luck will be the new QB to build around for the next 3 years then they will be again Super Bowl contenders.

The Browns have to go for RG III. It will be a bidding war with other teams. Washington will come strong. I see no way the Browns can hold on to the second first rounder. They will have to move up to the second pick to secure Griffin from Washington.

It must be done. Holmgren and Heckert know it. McCoy didn't start the last two games for concussion reasons alone. Remember Mike Vick came to the Eagles under Heckert's watch.

No matter what his future MIGHT be, I just cant sell the farm for this kid when I could see Blackmon, Richardson, Claiborne or any number of guys we could POSSIBLY get at 4 and then the piece we could get at 25. I still need to see Colt struggle WITH talent before I throw him into the Cleveland QB Grist Mill.

Other QB's will emerge next year. I like the Wisconsin kid and the kid who battled RGIII the other night and Barkleys still out there too.

I agree w/ everything u say there.. but I don't think there will be a bidding war.. Yea teams will inquire about jumping up to 2 or 3.. but I dont think the either team bites as they need "elite" players.

But if there is a team that is dumb enough to give up THREE first round picks.. them I'm sure they will bite.

So you are willing to start over in 2013 not knowing where your pick will be and looking at the QB prospects of 2013 compared to RG III?

Bear in mind in 2013 you will not have the ammo to move in the draft. Plus factor in that a QB in 2013 will need more time to develop so your looking to compete in 2015 or 2016.

To much time and to many unknowns for me. No thanks! The time to solve the QB position is NOW.

I think I'm saying I have no confidence he will solve the QB problem...

Maybe the reporter was giant.

ESPN has Luck listed at 6'4" 235. And so does the official Stanford football website.

One thing to remember .....

Last year, the browns used Jordan Norwood's father to check out Phil Taylor. (Norwood's father is a coach at Baylor)

If the Browns are interested, they have a direct line to someone who has seen the kid every day, how he practices and prepares, what kind of person he is away from the cameras, etc.

Norwood's opinions, reprotedly, played a role in them drafting Taylor. They could use him again this year.

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Still, when he was standing next to the reporter on that interview after the game, he just looked small to me... FWIW

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Are you referring to the interview with Heather Cox? Here is a picture of her with Justin Blackmon (who she is about as tall as) and Weeden, who she isn't much shorter than... this is not a tiny woman.. She played D1 volleyball for a school that was in the Womens Volleyball Final 4, she is easily 6' tall if not taller.

I don't know.

It might a nice research project for you.



But as written, I'd bet many times over.

I did a quick check and didn't find when it has ever happened in the 1st or 2nd round.

Looked for 1 team, QB and WR in same round from same school in 1st or 2nd round.