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Well, the guy we passed up, Julio Jones (and I support that deal) missed three games and still had eight TDs and nearly 1,000 yards. I think Blackmon looks better than he did. So maybe he's somewhere between Green and Jones, but he's head and shoulders the best in the draft. He's a No. 1 WR in the making, for sure. And Little will be a great No. 2. Norwood or even Evan Moore could be the slot guy. We need to either take Blackmon, or drop down for Richardson and grab one of the other top WRs (Sanu, Wright, Jeffery) at No. 2.
We are NOT gonna get Luck. RG3 is too speculative for the high pick. Sign Flynn, draft a project (Cousins, Wheedon, Tannehill if lucky), get a RT and another DE and this team is looking damn good.
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If memory serves, wasn't Blackmon being talked about in the same sentences as Green and Jones last year?
Yes, I know that he was just a sophomore, but I recall hearing his name at this time last year already.
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IF we stick at 4...Preliminary mock...lol...
WOLB and RB in Free Agency...
1a) Blackmon WR
1b) Mercelis DE
2) Gilmore CB
3) Datko RT
4a) Lester FS
4b) Broyles WR
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If memory serves, wasn't Blackmon being talked about in the same sentences as Green and Jones last year?
Yes, I know that he was just a sophomore, but I recall hearing his name at this time last year already.
yep.. he would have gone in the 1st round last year too...
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Datko is probably looking at 5th to undrafted. When they have to go back and do surgery on old injuries that didnt heal, especially when it comes to offensive linemen, stock gonna plummet.
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Couldn't disagree with you more.
How do you define explosive if Blackmon isn't it? The guy has it in spades.
There are times and plays where he reminds me of Andre Johnson for cripes sake!
I watch him and I can't help but think of Crabbtree.
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If you want to know if someone has good hands, just watch their hand placement as they catch the ball, especially on slants. If they let the ball get into their body or jump unnecessarily to catch the ball (as much as I like Cribbs, he does this alot, and I've seen it from Little alot this year too),
If your QB runs you into a train a couple of times, you'll start jumping to catch late passes over the middle, too.
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What do you think of Sanu???
I am the only one talking about the guy. Am I just crazy?? I think the guy is going to be super.
well, until 6 hours ago, he was on the "going back to school" list. He apparently changed his mind.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/ncf/story/_/...enter-nfl-draft
definitely someone to think about with our 2nd round pick or possibly even 1B pick (be interested to grade him against Wright - as KW had the better QB by far).
also, if we get Blackmon, then we just need a slot WR and I don't see us taking 2 WRs that high. I am all aboard the Broyles in the 3rd train there (or 4th if we think he will drop).
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I don't know about that. Norwood might grow into that slot role yet. He flashed a bit for us this year. Not sure I use a late first or early second on a guy who probably isn't going to be more than a slot WR.
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If RG3 is gone.. Blackmon is starting to look better and better to me.
Blackmon
Little
MoMass
Cribbs
Norwood
that's a solid 5 right there.
The thing that is really impressing me about Blackmon is his after the catch ability.. as a WR.. he catches that thing and runs hard like he Adrian Peterson.. lol.. He runs like he's trying to score w/ every catch.
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I don't know about that. Norwood might grow into that slot role yet. He flashed a bit for us this year. Not sure I use a late first or early second on a guy who probably isn't going to be more than a slot WR.
i was thinking Broyles in the 3rd or 4th as our slot guy.
i like Sanu as our 2nd rounder and he is not a slot guy. He's 6'2" 215lbs and more of an Anquan Boldin type WR (with hopefully a little more speed)
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Couldn't disagree with you more.
How do you define explosive if Blackmon isn't it? The guy has it in spades.
There are times and plays where he reminds me of Andre Johnson for cripes sake!
I watch him and I can't help but think of Crabbtree.
Just that statement is enough to give me nightmares for a month. 
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Couldn't disagree with you more.
How do you define explosive if Blackmon isn't it? The guy has it in spades.
There are times and plays where he reminds me of Andre Johnson for cripes sake!
I watch him and I can't help but think of Crabbtree.
Crabtree has NOTHING on Blackmon.. Please don't put those two names in the same sentence..
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Crabtree was awesome in college. Alot of it may have been Leach, but he made some amazing plays (the game-winner vs. Texas one of his best).
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Crabtree has changed. He changed as soon as he declared.. lol.. and his injury has changed him as well..
He was awesome in college.. I will give him that.
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Crabtree has NOTHING on Blackmon.. Please don't put those two names in the same sentence..
Why? It's a really good comparison of their strength's/weaknesses as players -- Crabtree slipped on draft day, but in January of that year was thought of as a top 5 lock (actually higher than Blackmon is now)
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Strengths: Sensational playmaker…utilizes his hands very well in catching the football away from his body…Crabtree is a physical player who has demonstrated that getting off a jam at the line of scrimmage is not an issue…has had the additional advantage of lining up at both flankers and slot positions, and has found success while playing both…runs crisp routes, so transition to the NFL level should be more smoothly than others…outstanding vertical leap, catches the football at its highest point…should develop into a terrific red zone threat…
Weaknesses: Top end speed is not going to be ideal, reportedly…added speculation circulates Crabtree’s 40 time as he is not going to run at the Scouting Combine, rather at individual workout…recent high-profile receivers who have not run well, Dwayne Jarrett, Malcolm Kelly, etc. have not progressed well to the NFL level…Crabtree has had an amazing collegiate career, but it was only two years, and prior to that, he was a high school QB, so as a wide receiver, he is still developing…playing in the spread offense at Texas Tech has, in all likelihood, glorified his statistics…will he be able to separate from cornerbacks at the next level…?
Overall: The one knock on Michael Crabtree’s NFL potential is his top-end speed, besides that he is, in many scouts opinion, infallible. He is extremely quick off the ball, and the more physical nature of the National Football League will be a fit for Michael Crabtree’s game. He has outstanding hands, and it is almost unbelievable to think that he has only played the position for two years. There are two schools of thought in regards to his experience or lack thereof, some may feel that there is going to be a transition phase where he struggles to the NFL level, some feel that due to his inexperience, the best is yet to come. The Andre Johnson/Larry Fitzgerald comparisons are out there, and they are accurate. Michael Crabtree is a top five talent in the 2009 NFL Draft, and the early favorite for 2009 Offensive Rookie of the Year.
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They're very similar physically, not overly big or fast. In spread offense, run good routes, and known for yac. Only difference is that Crabbtree has better hands.
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I can see the comparison though. Can't really argue about it now that I think about it more.
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Michael Crabtree would be the best receiver on our team.
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Take'em and don't look back.
He is not only the best WR in this next draft, but also one of the best players period.
Drops... That's just bunk. He has great hand eye coordination and adjust to the ball like no other in this draft.
If you are expecting AJ Green, then you might not like him with our 4th pick.
Think A. Bolden.
Last years draft was last years draft. You can't compare last years talent pool to this years as a basis for an argument as to where some one should be drafted. That's just idiotic.
Size. '6"1" 215 lbs is not small for a WR.
He is the same size as is Cribbs and I don't know anyone who thinks he is too small for a WR.
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I really like Blackmon ... I also like the kid from Western Michigan , White in the fourth if is still on the board ..
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They're very similar physically, not overly big or fast. In spread offense, run good routes, and known for yac. Only difference is that Crabbtree has better hands.
Blackmon is better at adjusting to the ball. He changes his route to get to where the ball is going as well as any college WR I have seen.
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Again, the route that sticks out for me is that 4th down catch he had in the Fiesta Bowl. I understand it was just one play, and maybe he's dropped it 20 times the rest of this season.
But, he ran a nice route, and when Weeden threw him a bullet, he caught it clean and got good YAC. When he threw that DB on the ground, that was awesome.
Is Blackmon AJ Green? No, probably not. But, to say we shouldn't draft him because he's not as good as Green means that the Bengals should haven't drafted Green because he's not as good as Calvin Johnson, or that Green isn't as good as Larry Fitzgerald, so therefore, they shouldn't draft him.
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Blackmon's floor is Crabtree, his ceiling is B.Marshall...that's ok
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Michael Crabtree would be the best receiver on our team.
And he still wouldn't make our QBs better.
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And he still wouldn't make our QBs better.
Yes he would... and he's not even that great.
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I don't agree with that at all.
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Alex Smith threw for over 3,000 yards this season. Crabtree had 880 yards and 4 TDs.
McCoy had over 2,700 yards when he got hurt. Little ended the year with 709 yards and 2 TDs.
Not necessarily a glowing recommendation for Crabtree, FWIW.
That being said, I want us to draft Justin Blackmon.
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We also threw the ball over 100 more times than SF this season, and Greg Little had more targets than Crabtree...just goes to show you how messed up our offensive play-calling was this year. Suddenly, Crabtree's numbers don't look as bad.
I still think Crabtree can be a great WR in the NFL. It's just hard to put up big numbers on a run-first team that likes play close games and rely on it's defense. Alex Smith is also a mediocre QB.
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Alex Smith is also a mediocre QB.
McCoy is well below mediocre.
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Alex Smith is also a mediocre QB.
McCoy is well below mediocre.
so was Alex Smith until his 7th year in the league 
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McCoy is well below mediocre.
so was Alex Smith until his 7th year in the league
That's odd, isn't it? I'm sure the irony will be lost on many people though.
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Well, it's not a complete story, though. It's not as though Alex Smith suddenly got some new skill he'd never had before, he got a new coach. That coach, at the admission of both him and Smith (as featured on ESPN earlier in the season) "simplified" the offense that the 49ers were running. Smith has been able to be much more effective in that offense.
Additionally, the 49ers have Frank Gore, Mike Crabtree, Vernon Davis, Ted Ginn, Josh Morgan, and Kyle Williams, who have all at some point in their careers shown themselves to be capable.
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McCoy is well below mediocre.
so was Alex Smith until his 7th year in the league
That's odd, isn't it? I'm sure the irony will be lost on many people though.
So if it takes a 1st round QB 7 years to reach mediocrity, how long does it take a well below average 3rd round QB?
Maybe 10?
What the hell .... sign me up for another 10 years of losing football. That sounds like fun. 
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so was Alex Smith until his 7th year in the league
That's odd, isn't it? I'm sure the irony will be lost on many people though.
So if it takes a 1st round QB 7 years to reach mediocrity, how long does it take a well below average 3rd round QB?
Maybe 10?
What the hell .... sign me up for another 10 years of losing football. That sounds like fun.
You either don't pay attention, or your hatred for Colt has blinded you - either way, it's your fault.
I don't know of anyone on here saying Colt should get 5 years, or 7 years, or 10 years. I DO, however, know many people don't agree with trading 3 first round picks and a second or 2 in order to get someone that has proven nothing. Luck MIGHT be good. He might suck. It might take HIM 7 years to be good (with a great running game and some decent receivers).
You are the one that is singleminded in the "we HAVE to get a new qb" thought process.
Many - if not most on here, are of the mindset of "Hey, if we can get Luck or RG with a draft friendly trade, let's do it. If not, let's fill other holes and see what happens".............see, believe it or not, there WILL be a draft next year as well. And, believe it or not, there will "can't miss" prospects next year - in fact, one of them was touted this year as "perfect"..........he'll be there next year, along with a few others I would guess.
Would you ever admit that the browns have holes all over?
Would you ever admit that trading 3 first rounders and a second rounder would NOT fill those holes?
Would you ever admit that perhaps making a trade like that would be foolish when we need so much?
Would you ever admit that I'm not against drafting a qb, but I don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water, so to speak? (no, I don't mean colt - I mean trading away our ability to draft quality players in the mean time).
Please - your colt hatred has gone over the top. Everyone know he's not been stellar.
It amazes me how you give Newton kudos for "turning that team around", but when faced with "they were only 6-10" you resort to "they had injuries". And you ignore those exact same circumstances here. Hell, even our 9 year "vet" in the system couldn't score points.
You suppose it's the team? No, you just blame the qb. Gets old.
Honestly, I'm not defending colt. I'm defending the team. If we can get a new qb, at a reasonable price/cost that will be an upgrade - I'm all for it. See, I'm not a Colt fan - I'm a Browns fan. As a Browns fan - I can't fathom why anyone would sell the future for a prospect. PROSPECT. He might be a good prospect, but he's that - prospect. The draft is full - CHOCK full of "great prospects". "NFL ready on day one" prospects.
I've never heard of a team that traded 3 first round picks, plus a second..........have you?
Regain your senses boy. I know you've been harping all year about Colt, and his accuracy, and his lack of this, that and the other thing. One thing I've never heard is the Browns lack of a running game. Or their lack of an average line, Or there lack of receivers. Nope - only time you mention that is when you speak of OTHER teams.
Fine. I'm not trading 3 first round draft picks for Aaron Rodgers, or Tom Brady, or Drew Brees. Wanna know why? While we might win a game or 3 more, it would kill the team long term. And in 3 years, we'd be right back here, where we are.
If a qb is there for a fair trade - take them. If not, fill other holes. What is so hard to understand about that??
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Yeah, I do see 2 superstar QB in this draft, and I realize what damn near everyone in the world recognizes ..... and that's the fact that this is a QB driven league, and that QBs make teams, teams don't make QBs. I want this team to rejoin the elites of the NFL, and the only way to do that ..... the only way we stand a chance of even competing in our own division, is to find an elite QB of our own, and then worry about what needs replace around him. Elite QBs make other players better. QBs make teams, teams don't make QBs. There are so many examples of this in this very season, but people just will not see.
If we have the chance to get a franchise level QB then we better take it, or we better get used to 4th place. We might occasionally get into 3rd, but we won't sniff 2nd or 1st until we find that QB who makes all of his teammates better, and who does all of the things that drag his team to wins.
I am tired of watching ineffective QB play and having it excused because of any and every reason in the book. It's time to attack the QB position, and keep dign so, if necessary, until we get it right. It's not right right now.
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And, speaking of QBs, Justin Blackmon is a good WR.
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He is very good, and very good at YAC, which is always important but especially in the WCO..
He did get his hands on a potential TD pass the other night coming across the back of the endzone but he wasn't able to pull it in.. Of course if Colt McC... I mean Weeden had put it where it was supposed to be, he would have caught it. 
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If we have the chance to get a franchise level QB then we better take it, or we better get used to 4th place. We might occasionally get into 3rd, but we won't sniff 2nd or 1st until we find that QB who makes all of his teammates better, and who does all of the things that drag his team to wins.
Like Baltimore?
I'd like to have Luck or RGIII on the team too, but like arch I don't want to dry our well for one guy. As of now, my Browns board is:
Luck (ahead of Griffin only b/c of durability concerns and concussion history)
RGIII (although I would be just as happy with him as Luck)
Blackmon
Claiborne
I could live with any of those four. I didn't include any trading because of course it always depends on compensation.
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