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I've come to the conclusion that LeBron wants to win an NBA Championship, not because he wants to be the BEST, But because he now needs to be validated.
And when it didn't come as easily as he thought it would or should here, he bolted at the idea of teaming up with two All-Stars, because I mean, how could they NOT win? Right?
I assume either this or next year the Heat will win a title, but the fact that it didn't come year one is great IMO.
However I think if they DON'T win it this year, the talk will begin. I'm not sure what talk, but something will start, Coaches fired, etc.
every year they don't winhowever I find to be awesome.
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What happens if Wade suddenly gets old this year? Does anyone think that Lebron, along with Bosh and his current cast can run away with a championship without Wade? I mean he is 30 now ...... not horribly old ..... but what if he can't do what he's done in the past? They can't add much talent through the draft for the next several years.
I look at Bosh, and his scoring and rebounds dropped last year over the 2 or 3 years prior. Wade dropped off from his previous years. James dropped in scoring as well. Now part of that is probably them having to share the ball a lot more ...... but does that take away from their overall competitiveness, where they want to take over a game and put the team on their back(s)? I don't know. I think that could be a real danger ..... where a superstar assumes that "one of those guys" will pick up the slack, and he doesn't want to step on his friend's toes. Thus a guy who turned it on in the final minutes of games previously suddenly stops doing so because he doesn't want to be a ball hog.
I look at the Heat, and see them with a Center trio averaging 6 PPG. That's rough in the playoffs. They don't have great scoring in the front court behind James and Bosh. Haslem is a solid defensive guy, but he's not a real low post scoring option. The are hoping to get Curry back at Center, but he hasn't really been healthy for a couple of years now. That means that they have, essentially, a 3 man front court. I think that is going to hinder their chances at a Championship run ..... especially if Wade isn't at 100%.
I do think that they have a decent twosome at PG with Chalmer and Norris.
I can see them having just enough to get to a championship ...... but by the same token, it wouldn't surprise me to see them fall out early ..... especially if one of their stars can't go because of injury.
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If Wade is hurt Miami has 0 chance of winning a title. Teams in the playoffs could just 2-3 zone Miami all game.
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Part of the problem was that Lebron demanded the ball at all times, and never really learned to get his teammates involved effectively.
The other part of the problem is that LeBron would just disappear for long stretches of time where you didn't even realize he was on the court.
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Yup, you can't win a championship when your team is lead by a quitter.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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The truly great thing is that every year that they don't win it all down there, the greater the pressure will be to finally do it ... which will get in their heads :-)
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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well, let's all just hope that OKC has figured things out and/or gets one more scorer for their bench. without Maynor, that is their biggest hole.
in the East, Chicago should really push for Dwight because Miami matches up with them so well right now (no big that's really going to hurt them, LeBron can guard Rose, and Miami actually likes getting into defensive games).
as far as those 60win Cavs teams, they were much like the current Magic team (though a bit better). setup to complement the star player and not to supplement him. right now Ryan Anderson is making a living standing in the corner and waiting for his guy to double Dwight. they have a bunch of substandard defenders that look okay because they can gamble knowing Dwight will clean up any mistakes behind them.
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Chicago is never going to win a title with their current roster.
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They're pretty much the Cavs in the Lebron era. Good defensively, solid role players, no true #2, and a star player that needs the ball every possession to do anything (Don't get me wrong, I love D.Rose, but he doesn't play well off the ball. He and Lebron would have been a disaster together, probably worse than Wade and LBJ have been)
My biggest beef with Lebron was only involving teammates really really early in the game, otherwise, he dominated the ball, and when he had nothing, he'd pass off to Mo Williams with 3 seconds on the shot clock, then make it out to be like he has nothing around him. Then we'd hear the same from the media as they bagged on Cleveland. He rarely gave his teammates a fair shot, especially in that Boston series. People often forget that it was Mo Williams that sparked them in game 1 against Boston (remember when he postered Ray Allen?) and it was a complete team effort in game 3 when they handed the Boston Celtics their worst home playoff loss, ever.
Lebron didn't even single-handely win one game that series, yet he and the media made it out to be like he had nothing around him and his teammates were just a bunch of scrubs.
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People often forget that it was Mo Williams that sparked them in game 1 against Boston (remember when he postered Ray Allen?)
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Now that I think about they really are.
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I haven't really felt like posting in an NBA thread since the end of last season....but here goes:
While watching "Dan Lebatard's Highly Questionable" and PTI last night, the only time my eyes hit BSPN anymore (well, I watch live sporting events too).
Anyway, the guys were describing how well Lebron and the Heat looked with him and Bosh on the floor, no Wade. And both shows mentioned that he was a far better player and took control of the offense with command while Wade is off the floor (looked like the Cavs-Lebron for the first time). Something about his performance index rating being higher than MJ's ever was with Wade off the floor.
Both shows commented about how this might be a better team makeup than having Wade there....so, Lebron, his reputation and title chances might have been better off had Bosh joined the Cavs like he could have. Plus, their worry about the Celts was silly because they're old now and it's their conf to lose. So the Cavs would be the best in the East by far.
And then Wilbon went on to say, this was the reason why he thinks Lebron will be back in C-town at the end of this current contract. Lebron sees that all he needs is a true #2 compliment player...not another #1. Wade only slows him down in Miami.
I don't want to turn this thread into a "would you welcome back Lebron" question. That's been talked about a lot. Just a question on what he should have done and what that bad decision might do to him while in Miami. AND...that the media is catching on to how bad the decision might have been for Lebron.
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don't know why that means he would be back here though. just trying to rile the masses. if LeBron feels he really only wants/needs a #2, then at the end of his contract I would think he'd try to achieve that in a big market (NJ/Brooklyn perhaps).
the same argument for Bosh-to-Cleveland (though he still could have decided to pair with Wade in Miami) could be made for LeBron-to-Knicks (he'd have Amare as his #2 there)
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If Bosh had come to Cleveland with LBJ staying, we would own the east now, and probably for the forseeable future. The Bulls wouldn't stand a chance, the Celtics are too old and are close to going back to irrelevance, and the Magic are a Dwight away from being nothing. It'd be like the '95 Indians, they would literally steamroll through the East.
Wow, Wilbon really sad LBJ will be back? That surprises me. Not that LBJ will be back according to him, because I said that right after the decision, but rather Wilbon thinks LBJ will be back with that nazi bigot owner Dan Gilbert...
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Exactly. The conference would be owned by Cleveland (depending on what happens with Dwight in the offseason).
I see Orlando holding on the Dwight until the last possible second.
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don't know why that means he would be back here though. just trying to rile the masses. if LeBron feels he really only wants/needs a #2, then at the end of his contract I would think he'd try to achieve that in a big market (NJ/Brooklyn perhaps).
the same argument for Bosh-to-Cleveland (though he still could have decided to pair with Wade in Miami) could be made for LeBron-to-Knicks (he'd have Amare as his #2 there)
I honestly don't think LBJ ever cared about being in a big market, it was already shot down by several news outlets, including Brian Windhorst, that there was never a "nike escalator" that espn and knick fans loved to throw out in their "LBJ IS COMING HERE FOR SURE ZOMG" arguments.
Why would he care? because he can make an extra 100k doing local commercials? Oh wait, he doesn't do local commercials. He does commercials that show up in every household. For a mega star like Lebron, and like Peyton Manning, and like Brett Favre, who all played in smaller markets, it didn't matter with that stuff. That was just hogwash and it never played any kind of role in Lebron leaving, but wow were we fed that garbage for YEARS.
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because he wanted to be 'known' even more on a global scale. yes, it didn't have to be in a big market because he already had his name out there. but, going to Miami and the way he went to Miami sure made his name much bigger here and globally. for now, that's a bad thing, but if he wins a championship or more then all that negative energy will magically go positive (see Kobe Bryant after he won w/o Shaq).
but, that wasn't even really my point. my point was that he wouldn't come back here now. i think LeBron would go to the place that could immediately deliver him that #2 star and stroke his ego. he wouldn't have a honeymoon here and i don't think he wants to go through 'earning his way back' here when he could have that honeymoon for a different team.
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CLEVELAND (AP) -- Cavaliers rookie guard Kyrie Irving hasn't ruled out playing for Australia this summer in the London Olympics.
Irving was born in Australia when his father, Drederick, played there professionally. However, if he were to play for the Aussies, Irving doesn't know if he would be allowed to play for the U.S. team in upcoming games.
The No. 1 overall pick in this year's NBA draft says his decision will be based mostly on word from "FIBA officials and Australian lawyers."
Irving said U.S. Olympic coach Mike Krzyzewski, his coach for one season at Duke, is aware that he's considering playing for Australia.
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Good for him.
I remember some soccer or volleyball woman did this same thing during the last Olympics and got nailed by the media and her peers for doing so. Something about her not being able to grab a spot on the US team so she tried out for the <insert country here> team and ended up playing.
Her detractors called it treasonous and reducing the chance the US would win a gold. The way I see it, she wanted to play in the Olympics, the US team was full, she was born in that country originally and so she played. End of story. Who cares.
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because he wanted to be 'known' even more on a global scale. yes, it didn't have to be in a big market because he already had his name out there. but, going to Miami and the way he went to Miami sure made his name much bigger here and globÛlly. for now, that's a bad thing, but if he wins a championship or more then all that negative energy will magically go positive (see Kobe Bryant after he won w/o Shaq).
but, that wasn't even really my point. my point was that he wouldn't come back here now. i think LeBron would go to the place that could immediately deliver him that #2 star and stroke his ego. he wouldn't have a honeymoon here and i don't think he wants to go through 'earning his way back' here when he could have that honeymoon for a different team.
I think he could end up back in Cleveland. I think the comfort of home, and obviously, if he did return, it would mean that he'd have fixed what relationship he had with DG and eventually with fans. If he came out, and said he wanted to return, apologized for everything the happened, and then said he wants a second chance to make true on his promise of a championship? You telling me most Clevelanders wouldn't eat that up? It'd be the feel good story of the year.
My dream scenario would be he and Bosh opting out and going there seperate ways or maybe even Bosh comes with after it falls out in Miami, too much of a power struggle with he and Wade. I believe get Miami's first pick twice sometime between the 2013 and 2017 season. Wade struggles/gets hurt, and between lack of a roster and Erica Spoelstra's inability to coach, Cavs land a lottery pick and get a superstar.
Kyrie Irving, Lebron, (maybe Bosh, hell this is a dream scenario, Bosh) a possible 2012 lotto pick (who knows right now) and a lotto pick from Miami? Oh hai championship!
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perhaps I'm a bit more cynical but my dream scenario is the Cavs getting a contending team just as LeBron's starting to fade from all the physical abuse he's put himself through all these years. and, in LeBron's last best chance for his first title, the Cavs overtake whatever team he's on and he goes out a chump 
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Mine would be that the Heat cannot win a championship with James, and the Cavaliers rise from the ashes to win one. James becomes a free agent, and asks to come back to Cleveland, but since we have a new All Star SF, we decline. James then has to sign with the Toronto Raptors, the only team with cap room to sign him, and he loses a huge amount of his salary to Canadian Taxes. The Raptors struggle through James' 1st 2 years, then move to Antarctica to become the Antarctica Asses Ears. (a group of small islands in Antarctica) The Asses Ears go winless in James first 2 seasons, and he is released .... and we never hear from him again ..... except for scenes of him on the nightly news from time to time, showing him banging on Gilbert's door, begging to be allowed to return ...... or at least for a commemorative ring. 
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Wouldn't it just be easier to wish an STD on him? 
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with wade on the team... ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE! (KG voice)
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Oh come on ... I think it would be a wonderful story if we were to go winless in Miami for a decade, as we slowly but surely build ourselves a contender here. Finally, in the twilight of his career, he realizes his mistakes and signs on with the now uprsurgent Cavs for one more season. He makes his apologies to Dan Gilbert and the fans, begs for forgiveness, and happily sits as the 8th or 9th man on the bench. Cleveland steam rolls through the playoffs, with Lebron as a cheerleader, and just as it looks like we're about to win our first championship ... we cut him and sign a D-leaguer.
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Works for me.
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I just want Miami to fall short year after year because it further dispels the notion that "with LeBron, Wade and Bosh it doesn't matter who else you put out there with them...they'll be unstoppable." Then it was "well we don't have Mike Miller", and then "well just wait til Udonis Haslem gets back" and then "well we don't have a point guard...wait til we get Mike Bibby". Now its "well we got Shane Battier now". It's laughable.
I also don't think its a coincidence that they've been playing great while Wade's been out. Bad part about that is that Wade is the one guy they simply can't jettison. The backlash would destroy them. Even as he gets older and even more made of glass than he is now, the franchise will get crucified if he leaves the team on anyone's terms other than his own.
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I remember last year when the stories about how that NOW because they had ...ERIC DAMPIER! They would be so much better...
The weird thing is, they were a game 3(?) collapse away from probably sweeping Dallas...
Thats what you get for posing infront of their bench Dwayne...
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as long as Mike Brown was the coach of the Cavs we were never going to win anything with LBJ and Bosh or not. LBJ did what he wanted and was spoiled rotten.
He tried to get away with that same stuff in Miami and Pat told him its my way or the highway. Then he pouted and totally fell apart in the finals.
I think this year will be different for him as someone said the pressure is now on to deliver on that championship and for some reason I think Kobe or OKC will be waiting for him.
In a perfect world the Cavs make the playoffs this year Irving/TT take them out (thats not happening but in a perfect world could you imagine the fun we'd have)
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There was an article about Brown in SI a couple issues ago, and just recently in the "looking back" section someone pointed out that in two seperate (talkin' bout) Practice pictures it shows all the young players listening to Brown as he's teching them, and both LBJ and Kobe looking off in the distance...
I think LeBron owes mike Brown alot when it comes to his current defensive talents, sure most of it is natural ability, but I believe without Mike instilling that defensive mindset he wouldn't have even been considered for DPOY (should of won it)
I hate that Brown was the fall guy, and I hate that he'll probably get fired in LA in like 2-3 years and then probably coach the Bobcats or something and turn them into a consistent #4-6 seed...
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If Mike Brown gets fired in 2-3 years it'll be because all of LA's best talent is on the wrong side of 30, not because he's a poor coach.
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that's what stinks about the nba. the players run the league. Only a few coaches could get the superstars to play for them. Just look how quick teams fire coaches in the nba. It's common practice to fire a coach after 1 season. You can't tell me all of these guys are bad coaches. it's just the players will only listen to a certain few coaches.
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That is very true and I agree, probably when the cavs were just getting it together LBJ listened and learned that defense was super important. Then I think he started to think he knew more then coach and could do what he wanted.
Coach Scott would have squashed that in a heart beat. Mike was half forced to pamper James because the front office also pampered him. That maybe was the missing link there, where Pat (in Miami) wont bend with the evil axis power of 3 Dan gave him everything he wanted including state of the art practice facilities closer to his home.
Didnt see the pictures your talking about but if Kobe is doing that same thing that doesnt bode well for Coach Brown.
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That's what I meant.
I understand WHY he took the Lakers job...
But I don't think it was the best idea...
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What Can Brown Do For Them?  Couldn't find the Cavs pick, but it's literally the same effect.
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that's what stinks about the nba. the players run the league. Only a few coaches could get the superstars to play for them. Just look how quick teams fire coaches in the nba. It's common practice to fire a coach after 1 season. You can't tell me all of these guys are bad coaches. it's just the players will only listen to a certain few coaches.
Totally agree, and that's why I'm glad we have Scott with our team. He's not the best coach out there, but I think he's good enough win a championship if you get the right pieces, and I think the players respect him, because of his reputation as a pretty tough player, and a guy who has had success on both ends, playing and coaching.
Said it before, I don't think Kyrie is a selfish guy, seems like he's pretty level-headed and his father will probably continue to keep him that way, but you couldn't ask for a better atmosphere to bring him into. Jamison, Parker, Andy, Gibson are all real pros. Also told you guys before, the results may be the same, but it's 10x the situation Lebron was brought into with guys like Ricky D, Dajuan Wagner, etc
I have a feeling Grant is going to pull something off at the deadline. I don't think we'll net another 1st round pick, but I think we will get back a young player who we can develop. If it's a big, all the more better.
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looks like Rose is game time choice. Perhaps we can stand a chance after all. :-)
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